Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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jackstar7

jackstar7

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dainthomas said:
I would actually vote for a Republican who did that. A lot of people would. Maybe if they did things like this they could win without gerrymandering and voter suppression.
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But fiscal responsibility!

Like passing legislation without CBO scoring!
 
Fern

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ivwshane said:
Actually the blame can be put squarely on one man and it was actually a Democrat, who later became an independent and was John McCain's VP pick. The piece of shits name is Joe lieberman. Without Joe the Democrats didn't have enough votes to overcome any potential filibuster by the Republicans and it was Joe who said he wouldn't vote for anything with a public option in it.
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Please. The Dems wouldn't have had enough votes with Lieberman. IIRC, only about 20 Dems Senators supported the public option. The Dems were never close.

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Fern said:
Is it better? I don't see that as being clear.

Those transitions had devastating effects. Each are different in respects (other than hardship). Heck, the manufacturing transition (from here to abroad) is still having major political repercussions (Hello Donald Trump).

But there are huge differences - the HI transition will be caused soley by federal gov mandate and the transition will be sudden instead of spread out over years.

Fern
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So let's just keep the status quo to keep the shareholders happy then. And as for whether it's better, the rest of the world already judged and are paying less for more (all) coverage. We should have kicked the middle man out the door decades ago.

By the way, seems we came through those other changes of employment just fine....I suspect that we will come out better with this one too. The rest of the world already did.
 
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woolfe9998

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Fern said:
Please. The Dems wouldn't have had enough votes with Lieberman. IIRC, only about 20 Dems Senators supported the public option. The Dems were never close.

Fern
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Not sure where you got the number 20. IIRC some dems voted against an amendment to add the public option in committee, but most publicly said the reason was that they feared the bill would be filibustered if it included a public option, not that they didn't support it. Also IIRC, Lieberman did threaten to join the repubs in filibustering it if it included a public option and I think he was the only one publicly threatening to do that. Still, I think your core point is right. It's doubtful they had the necessary votes even if Lieberman had been on board.
 
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Everything the Republicans are doing makes sense once you realize that all their 'small government' rhetoric is just bullshit. They love big government. They want big government. Government big enough to screw over liberals, Democrats, and anyone else who isn't them. Government big enough to deport 12 million illegal residents. Government big enough to lock up 4 million Americans in prisons. Government big enough to wage war anywhere in the world at any time. Government big enough to be in everyone's bedrooms. In fact, the only thing that Republicans mean by small government is that they don't want to pay for it. That is it.
Contrast that to the health care issue and their biggest complaint is the mandate, which forces them to pay for the health care they get. And that's thing they want, to not have to pay for what they get.
Unfortunately, the Democrats narrative on this is similarly skewed. They're screaming that people are going to lose their health care when what they're really losing is their ability to get health care insurance and thus pay for their health care.
Our country is locked in a battle for 'free stuff' that is being waged by both sides.
 
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I was not a fan of Obamacare when it was being offered up, but, I think it's better, on the whole, for the country than what we had before. It doesn't do much to contain costs, but it does spread the risk around better than before. I'd still prefer a more European style system to our monstrosity of an Insurance Program, but that's not in play.

Having said that, what the Republicans are offering up is an abomination. It's a hastily thrown together piece of legislative garbage, aimed more at giving a tax cut to the wealthy than anything else. There's a slim chance I may benefit from this legislation, but it's bad for the country. And to listen to the House members saying things like: "Well, it's up to the Senate to fix the flaws" would be laughable if it wasn't so idiotic.

The Republicans have shown time and again that they just don't know how to govern. All they seem to know how to do is to give rich people tax cuts, try to whittle away at abortion laws, start unnecessary wars, and offer up buffoonish presidential candidates.
 
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ivwshane

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VRAMdemon said:
I was not a fan of Obamacare when it was being offered up, but, I think it's better, on the whole, for the country than what we had before. It doesn't do much to contain costs, but it does spread the risk around better than before. I'd still prefer a more European style system to our monstrosity of an Insurance Program, but that's not in play.

Having said that, what the Republicans are offering up is an abomination. It's a hastily thrown together piece of legislative garbage, aimed more at giving a tax cut to the wealthy than anything else. There's a slim chance I may benefit from this legislation, but it's bad for the country. And to listen to the House members saying things like: "Well, it's up to the Senate to fix the flaws" would be laughable if it wasn't so idiotic.

The Republicans have shown time and again that they just don't know how to govern. All they seem to know how to do is to give rich people tax cuts, try to whittle away at abortion laws, start unnecessary wars, and offer up buffoonish presidential candidates.
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The Republican plan is everything they claimed the ACA was. Just like trump is everything they claimed Obama was.
 
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piasabird

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ACA is already be destroyed. Insurers are being paid corporate welfare. The bill is so high we are wasting at least $1 Trillion of tax payer money a year on this giant boon doggle.
 
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piasabird said:
ACA is already be destroyed. Insurers are being paid corporate welfare. The bill is so high we are wasting at least $1 Trillion of tax payer money a year on this giant boon doggle.
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Someone's conservative talking point algorithm seems to be copy-pasting the talking points into various Google Translate languages and then posting them here.

Someone call QC.
 
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brycejones

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piasabird said:
ACA is already be destroyed. Insurers are being paid corporate welfare. The bill is so high we are wasting at least $1 Trillion of tax payer money a year on this giant boon doggle.
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Your script is broken. You suck at coding and qa.
 
ch33zw1z

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With trump, and cons at the helm, I fully expect cost of living to rise dramatically again.
 
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And the election of Trump revealed the hatred and contempt in the heart of Democratic voters. Continue squealing :)
 
Azuma Hazuki

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Boy you really want to go to Hell don't you? This isn't a fucking football match you jingoistic know-nothing. Civilization itself is at stake here. I realize you couldn't pass a fourth grade civics class if your life depended on it, but at least have the humility to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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