Partial Birth Abortion Ban almost ready to be signed!

[XZeroII]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030930-113018-1410r.htm

'Bout time this barbaric practice is outlawed!

A ban on partial-birth abortions could be on President Bush's desk by as early as next week, after a conference committee yesterday finished with the bill and sent it to be cleared by both chambers.
President Clinton twice vetoed a similar ban ? in April 1996 and October 1997.

Funny how you people who support partial birth abortions didn't even READ the article :|

The legislation would ban partial-birth abortions, except when necessary to save the life of the mother

and thus your arguement about the health of the mother is pure crap.

 

[Sternfan]

glad to hear it, any doctor that performs this should be charged with murder unless its to save the womans life.

 

[Orsorum]

Good.

 

[daniel1113]

Good to hear.

 

[Insane3D]

Oh, that's wonderful. Rejoice!

Edit:

So, what about the women's health? What if a doctor decides this procedure is medically necessary? I guess the government knows better than doctors now right?

 

[TheBDB]

What is so barbaric about it?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

Take a baby, fully capable of surviving outside the womb, birth it about half way, inject a needle into its skull, suck the brains out, skull collapses, baby dies.

That barbaric enough for you?

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

Take a baby, fully capable of surviving outside the womb, birth it about half way, inject a needle into its skull, suck the brains out, skull collapses, baby dies.

That barbaric enough for you?

What a strange way to perform an abortion. Anyone know why they don't do it an easier way?

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

Take a baby, fully capable of surviving outside the womb, birth it about half way, inject a needle into its skull, suck the brains out, skull collapses, baby dies.

That barbaric enough for you?

Take the poor mother, doesnt want to give the kid up, kid goes hungry, doesnt get the proper nutritien, doesn't get care, gets neglicted, is sick three quarters of its life, dies of a lung infection at the age of 12.

Barbaric?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Oh, that's wonderful. Rejoice!

Edit:

So, what about the women's health? What if a doctor decides this procedure is medically necessary? I guess the government knows better than doctors now right?

Er, how at the point of partial birth could it pose a problem? I could certainly understand it not being illegal if that was a danger, I just can't imagine where that once it's halfway out that the other half coming out could harm the mother.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

Take a baby, fully capable of surviving outside the womb, birth it about half way, inject a needle into its skull, suck the brains out, skull collapses, baby dies.

That barbaric enough for you?

Well i guess it would sound barbaric if you were ignorant of it. Partial Birth Abortions RARELY happens, and almost no doctor will perform it unless there was medical risk to the mother. They have to suck the brains out to collapse the head, since they remove the baby feet first (they need something to grasp onto), the head could dmg the mother if it weren't shrunk. And no, the FETUS cannot survive outside the womb.

I'm all for banning 3rd trimester abortions (which includes this), unless it's medically needed to save the woman... i say if the woman hasn't made up her mind within 5 months, then too late for her. Give the life a chance, even if it were to be put up for abortion. But that doesn't mean that the fetus is anything more than a fetus. It certainly couldn't survive outside the womb without advance medical help, and even then, the chance of survival is small, and even smaller for the infant to mature without problems.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

Take a baby, fully capable of surviving outside the womb, birth it about half way, inject a needle into its skull, suck the brains out, skull collapses, baby dies.

That barbaric enough for you?

Take the poor mother, doesnt want to give the kid up, kid goes hungry, doesnt get the proper nutritien, doesn't get care, gets neglicted, is sick three quarters of its life, dies of a lung infection at the age of 12.

Barbaric?

They are so passionate about the lives of the unborn, yet they don't give a damn about the lives of the born. Ironic, huh?

 

[daclayman]

Just wait, it gets better; the adoption argument comes up next. Even though these people, that are so much against abortion that they don't mind the murder of an abortion doctor, would never adopt an off-race child. Just ask yourselves - Who Wants Jelly Donuts?

 

[Sternfan]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

Take a baby, fully capable of surviving outside the womb, birth it about half way, inject a needle into its skull, suck the brains out, skull collapses, baby dies.

That barbaric enough for you?

Well i guess it would sound barbaric if you were ignorant of it. Partial Birth Abortions RARELY happens, and almost no doctor will perform it unless there was medical risk to the mother. They have to suck the brains out to collapse the head, since they remove the baby feet first (they need something to grasp onto), the head could dmg the mother if it weren't shrunk. And no, the FETUS cannot survive outside the womb.

I'm all for banning 3rd trimester abortions (which includes this), unless it's medically needed to save the woman... i say if the woman hasn't made up her mind within 5 months, then too late for her. Give the life a chance, even if it were to be put up for abortion. But that doesn't mean that the fetus is anything more than a fetus. It certainly couldn't survive outside the womb without advance medical help, and even then, the chance of survival is small, and even smaller for the infant to mature without problems.

This is the oldest bullsh^t line the left keeps pushing, A hospital in Teaneck NJ performed 5000 of them 3 years ago in a 12 month span. It was reported on every ligit newscast. I also lived in jersey most of my life so I know this to be true. I saw my son's heartbeat after 5 weeks are you telling me that after 5 weeks and a beating heart its not a baby.
I can't say for sure when a fetus become a human life and i'm not a real religious person but I do know that after 5 weeks there is a heart beat. Your logic is so flawed I don't know where to begin.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
What is so barbaric about it?

have your butt cutt off so you will bleed to death AND a get a saltwater injection injection..THEN have your arms and legs ripped off your body and see how you feel about the person that did it to you...

want to talk about "choice"?

when the baby tries to fight off the instruments the so-called doctor uses to do this, what "choice" is being made as he/she fights for life?

here it is made real simple

do not get offended now, it is just pictures of meaningless foetal tissue, do not let the appearance of arms and legs lead you to believe that what your seeing are pictures of human beings...

also of course we could take the justifications of those who support this and use the same logic to round up the homeless and poor and kill them too....we can call it "post birth abortion" and sleep at night knowing we really did them a favor.

 

[glenn1]

They are so passionate about the lives of the unborn, yet they don't give a damn about the lives of the born. Ironic, huh?

While that may or may not be the case, it's hardly a contra-argument. This thread is about "partial birth" abortion. Either give a reason why you think it's a good idea to keep it legal or we'll have to presume that you agree that it's a good thing that it's about ready to be banned.

 

[Sternfan]

Hey Shad remember this is what the left is fighting for, this is ok in there eye's. They will make a thousand excuses why this should be legal, remember its a choice in there eye's not a baby. As much as I dislike the far right I dislike the far left even more. I do believe the health of the mother must be taken into account and the mothers health should come first, after all if the mother dies most likely the baby will to.

 

[Shad0hawK]

the times that the baby must be aborted to save the mother's life are in fact very rare, something on the order of 2% of "partial birth" abortions. if such were the case for the only time this could be done there would be a drastic decrease in this wholesale slaughter.

 

[Insane3D]

Yeah. It's always so simple. Anyone who isn't outraged at this procedure and isn't jumping for joy it is going to be banned is simply a "far leftie" who has no idea WTF they are talking about....

Classic.


I know when it comes to issues of medicine, I sure trust a bunch of politicians waaaay more than doctors...

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
the times that the baby must be aborted to save the mother's life are in fact very rare, something on the order of 2% of "partial birth" abortions. if such were the case for the only time this could be done there would be a drastic decrease in this wholesale slaughter.

Yeah.. This should put a huge dent in those long long lines of women waiting to have this "fun" procedure done because they don't "feel like" having a baby that day...

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Yeah. It's always so simple. Anyone who isn't outraged at this procedure and isn't jumping for joy it is going to be banned is simply a "far leftie" who has no idea WTF they are talking about....

Classic.


I know when it comes to issues of medicine, I sure trust a bunch of politicians waaaay more than doctors...

one does not need a doctorate of medicine to recognize murder when observed, like i mentioned ealier, we can take the same logic behind the justification many people use in support of ripping babies apart and kill and the homeless and handicapped too, after all "quality of life" is paramount!

post birth abortions for all of them! after all it is not "murder" when it is state sanctioned!

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Yeah. It's always so simple. Anyone who isn't outraged at this procedure and isn't jumping for joy it is going to be banned is simply a "far leftie" who has no idea WTF they are talking about....

Classic.


I know when it comes to issues of medicine, I sure trust a bunch of politicians waaaay more than doctors...

one does not need a doctorate of medicine to recognize murder when observed, like i mentioned ealier, we can take the same logic behind the justification many people use in support of ripping babies apart and kill and the homeless and handicapped too, after all "quality of life" is paramount!

post birth abortions for all of them! after all it is not "murder" when it is state sanctioned!

Yeah, you're right. We will stop listening to the experts in all these matters, i.e doctors, and defer all medical procedure clearances to you since you seem to know what's right better than everyone.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
the times that the baby must be aborted to save the mother's life are in fact very rare, something on the order of 2% of "partial birth" abortions. if such were the case for the only time this could be done there would be a drastic decrease in this wholesale slaughter.

Yeah.. This should put a huge dent in those long long lines of women waiting to have this "fun" procedure done because they don't "feel like" having a baby that day...

but wait! it is not a "baby" that would imply it is human! you must use the term "foetal tissue"

of course suggesting the men and women who make the babies abstain until they can use protection is a bad thing. after all why let such a thing a "consequences of actions" get in the way? that is unromantic pragmatism and is bad. that 20oz. soda was more important than buying a condom!

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Insane3D<br


Yeah, you're right. We will stop listening to the experts in all these matters, i.e doctors, and defer all medical procedure clearances to you since you seem to know what's right better than everyone.

exaclty which "experts" the ones who agree with you or me?

are you suggesting ALL doctors support this? links?

 

[glenn1]

Anyone who isn't outraged at this procedure and isn't jumping for joy it is going to be banned is simply a "far leftie" who has no idea WTF they are talking about....

No one said that. But it doesn't help your cause when you seem to imply that you think the ban is a bad idea without giving reasons for that opinion.

So i ask again, for anyone who opposes the idea of banning partial-birth abortion, please outline your reason(s) why here so that they can this can actually become a discussion. Obviously there's a reason why you feel it's a bad idea, so why the hesitation to provide it?