Parents Try To Oust Gay Couple's Kids From School

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?

I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

No one's arguing that the gov't should step in. They can't. The argument is about one couple's problem with another. It really has nothing to do with the children.

'victory for freedom'? Um whatever... Whatever the school chooses will be a 'victory for freedom' whether you agree with the decision or not.

 

[Grunt03]

How stupid, it is the children who attend the school and not the parents. It's to bad that some are willing to punish the children when they have done no wrong. California of all places......
In the end the church and parents will win because it all boils down not to faith but instead it comes down to money......

 

[dahunan]

This just shows why Organized Religion is an embarassment to Jesus

 

[Codewiz]

Yes a private school has the FREEDOM to kick the kid out. HOWEVER, it is totally hypocritical to do so. Christianity in general says we are all born sinners and that all sins are the same in God's eye except one. So this kids parents being gay is no worse a sin than any of the parents of other children.

Therefore it would be STUPID to kid the kid out who's parents are gay.

 

[kage69]

More hypocrisy and intolerance from a bunch of religious people, hold on a sec while I attempt to locate my shock...

 

[beer]

Like private universities, private schools get federal funds. This does not make it a 'private' venture.

 

[piasabird]

I could go along with a compromise. Let the kids attend, but if they voice anti-Catholic propaganda, then dispel them. Also ban the parents from ever voicing any gay opinions on church property and make that a condition of acceptance.

If a catholic school uses any public facilities as many schools do, they could be cut off for this type of activity. Often children in catholic schools use public school counselors/psychiatrist or public school lunchrooms or other public school facilities.

If this was a school where no non-church members were allowed to attend, I could see the parent's having a more valid point.

What happens if the school teaches that it is a sin to be Gay and the kids get confused and come home and ask their parents about it?

 

[Codewiz]

"Also ban the parents from ever voicing any gay opinions on church property and make that a condition of acceptance."

While we are at it. Make sure to kick any kids out if there parents commit any type of sin on church property.

"What happens if the school teaches that it is a sin to be Gay and the kids get confused and come home and ask their parents about it?"

Pretty damn easily. EVERYONE IS A SINNER IN THE CHURCHES EYES. It isn't that hard to explain. No sin is worse than any other in God's eyes except one sin.

I hate providing the Christianity lesson for today especially since I am not Christian

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers.

And the school has chosen to not discriminate, which they are also allowed to do.

"no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

In case you haven't read the article, it's not the kid's parents who are upset. It's some other parents. So maybe they should get together and start their own bigot school.

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.

Freedom of what? Ignorance and bigotry? If I was the parents, I would take the kid out and put him in public school. Having penguins lecture you all day is not worth letting your classmates' parents take out their bigotry on you about things you have no control over.

 

[dahunan]

Does this fraking private business get ANY TAX BREAKS ??

Take them away.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does this fraking private business get ANY TAX BREAKS ??

Take them away.

Umm, they accepted the boy, and it's the parents of other kids that are upset.

Try reading the article before you come to any conlusions: it seems like lots of people on this board are guilty of the same.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

furthermore, i'm not convinced that our public schools preach secular humanism.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does this fraking private business get ANY TAX BREAKS ??

Take them away.

Umm, they accepted the boy, and it's the parents of other kids that are upset.

Try reading the article before you come to any conlusions: it seems like lots of people on this board are guilty of the same.

Ooops.. ok.. well those parents need to find some windex for their mirrors 😉

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

Secular humanism?
I agree with you totally! Kids should have a choice! Religion should not be taught in school! It's up to the parents! Nothing could be better than letting the kids make their own decisions!

children have no business making important decisions in their life. they don't have a complete understanding of the reprecussions of their actions...... which is why they have parents.

From my expirience most parents don't have a complete understanding of the reprecussions of their actions either.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

furthermore, i'm not convinced that our public schools preach secular humanism.

"secular humanism" is rip's new evil ideology of the month.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?

I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

What about discrimination and sexual harassment laws? Would you call those anti-freedom?

Not allowing this child into the school because of his PARENTS is plain discrimination. We have laws against this for a reason, to preserve freedom.

Yes, anti-discrimination laws are anti-freedom. It is our right to discriminate! We do it every day - people discriminate against who they want to date; people discriminate against who they want to be friends with, etc.

Freedom means you are free to pursue your goals without infringing on other's.. There are no laws against homosexuals opening up schools for gay kids and kids of gay parents.

Your "freedom" ends where it affects me. I have the freedom to choose which private school I want to attend. Those private schools have the freedom to choose whether or not to accept me. Your "freedom" does not mean you can impose your will on anyone because you feel like it.

Slow down there, Chief. It's not the school that's choosing to do anything or not, it's other parents who have kids in the school. The school did accept him, and seems to be in fact defending his right to go there, despite his parents sexual preference. But other parents are making a big fuss about that decision, saying THEY should get to choose who attends the school or not based on, I don't know, their religious beliefs. Does that seem "free" to you?

I don't think you read the article very carefully, I think you saw what you wanted to see because you dislike gay people, not because you value freedom. Freedom would be the school doing what they want to do and the other parents stop trying to force their interpretation of their religion down the school's collective throat...don't you agree?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

Why is that impractical?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

Why is that impractical?

You cannot possibly have public schools that cater to every single belief out there (which is what you were implying, no?). Many areas don't have high enough concentrations of certain beliefs to make creating a school in an area worthwhile. How many Muslims are in Iowa, for example?

You seem to misunderstand freedom of choice. Everyone has freedom of choice, no one is forcing anyone to attend a school they don't like. You can always homeschool your kids after all. But freedom of choice does not mean equality of options. It's the difference between saying "anyone can be President" and "everyone has an equal probability of being president". I might want to send my kids to the best school in the country, but if I can't afford it, they can't go. Is that violating my freedom?

In any case, it can be argued that school isn't about teaching religion in the first place. Why do kids have to learn religion at school?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

Why is that impractical?

You cannot possibly have public schools that cater to every single belief out there (which is what you were implying, no?). Many areas don't have high enough concentrations of certain beliefs to make creating a school in an area worthwhile. How many Muslims are in Iowa, for example?

You seem to misunderstand freedom of choice. Everyone has freedom of choice, no one is forcing anyone to attend a school they don't like. You can always homeschool your kids after all. But freedom of choice does not mean equality of options. It's the difference between saying "anyone can be President" and "everyone has an equal probability of being president". I might want to send my kids to the best school in the country, but if I can't afford it, they can't go. Is that violating my freedom?

In any case, it can be argued that school isn't about teaching religion in the first place. Why do kids have to learn religion at school?

Well, you don't have any Muslims in Iowa, there isn't a need for a Muslim school is there?

Here's one way it could work:

Rather than having government administrators assigning children to public schools based on their address, families should select the school they want to send their children to.

The choice should include all schools, including private and parochial schools.

The government then directs the tuition payment, which the government assures to all students, to the school of choice.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

Why is that impractical?

You cannot possibly have public schools that cater to every single belief out there (which is what you were implying, no?). Many areas don't have high enough concentrations of certain beliefs to make creating a school in an area worthwhile. How many Muslims are in Iowa, for example?

You seem to misunderstand freedom of choice. Everyone has freedom of choice, no one is forcing anyone to attend a school they don't like. You can always homeschool your kids after all. But freedom of choice does not mean equality of options. It's the difference between saying "anyone can be President" and "everyone has an equal probability of being president". I might want to send my kids to the best school in the country, but if I can't afford it, they can't go. Is that violating my freedom?

In any case, it can be argued that school isn't about teaching religion in the first place. Why do kids have to learn religion at school?

Well, you don't have any Muslims in Iowa, there is a need for a Muslim school is there?

Here's one way it could work:

Rather than having government administrators assigning children to public schools based on their address, families should select the school they want to send their children to.

The choice should include all schools, including private and parochial schools.

The government then directs the tuition payment, which the government assures to all students, to the school of choice.

...yet you speak ill of socialism...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

it's not very practical. once you start having schools that preach christianity, you're going to need to have schools that do the same for islam, judaism, wicca, etc.

Why is that impractical?

You cannot possibly have public schools that cater to every single belief out there (which is what you were implying, no?). Many areas don't have high enough concentrations of certain beliefs to make creating a school in an area worthwhile. How many Muslims are in Iowa, for example?

You seem to misunderstand freedom of choice. Everyone has freedom of choice, no one is forcing anyone to attend a school they don't like. You can always homeschool your kids after all. But freedom of choice does not mean equality of options. It's the difference between saying "anyone can be President" and "everyone has an equal probability of being president". I might want to send my kids to the best school in the country, but if I can't afford it, they can't go. Is that violating my freedom?

In any case, it can be argued that school isn't about teaching religion in the first place. Why do kids have to learn religion at school?

Well, you don't have any Muslims in Iowa, there is a need for a Muslim school is there?

Here's one way it could work:

Rather than having government administrators assigning children to public schools based on their address, families should select the school they want to send their children to.

The choice should include all schools, including private and parochial schools.

The government then directs the tuition payment, which the government assures to all students, to the school of choice.

Well I'm sure there are SOME Muslims in Iowa, and they would get the shaft because there aren't enough of them...that was my only point.

But what you suggest is pretty much "open enrollment", it was a big thing where I went to High School. I lived in a rich suburb of Minneapolis, and we had one of the best public high schools in the country, basically because the rich people paid very high taxes to education to support such a school. We also had open enrollment so people from poorer areas of Minneapolis could send their kids to a better school.

And that worked fine for small numbers, but what proponents of expanding that program didn't realize is that it was still the rich peoples' tax money that was making the school so good. In other words, we had a good school because be paid for a good school. People don't pay taxes evenly enough for it to be fair to allow kids to attend any school they want. Good schools, like mine, would be overrun with students who's parents aren't supporting the school, which is unfair to kids who's parents ARE.

In order for your idea to work, people would have to ALL contribute enough money to support all the schools in the country. This doesn't happen, and really good schools would have to lower their costs to meet the "average tuition" paid by tax payers. This is exactly why socialism doesn't work very well, richer parents wouldn't be able to get their kids better educations.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers. "no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.

It is two children in question, not one. They are at the kindergarten level, I think.

The PRIVATELY OWNED SCHOOL has made a decision to ALLOW the two children (of the gay couple) to attend. A smallish number of parents are complaining. How would kicking those kids out be a victory for the freedom of this private business?

Your skills in very basic English comprehension are poor. Don't know what school you went to, but they didn't do a good job on you, now did they?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: tec699
America is a'cha cha cha changing. You go with the flow or else you will be left behind. With the huge influx of immigrants pouring into this great country, I believe Christian American's are the ones that will be left out in the cold. I cannot wait until the Chinese, Arabs and other non-Christians start to settle in great numbers in the mid-west. They alone will change the political and religious landscape of what is now White America. The racism that is evident in the mid west will be no more as non-whites will start to replace white middle class citizens.

What a great day when this happens. 🙂

Don't be too sure.


American Muslims are conservative on many social issues

Support the death penalty (68%).
Oppose gay marriages (71%).
Support making abortions more difficult to obtain (57%).
Oppose physician-assisted suicide (61%).
Support banning the sale and display of pornography (65%).
American Muslims support school prayer (53%).
Display of the ten commandments in schools (59%).

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?

I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

Private businesses also have a right to OFFER service to whatever customer they choose, which is exactly what they are doing here, you moron. It is the parents who are complaining.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers. "no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.

Seems to me that the school has chosen to accept the kid and not discriminate. It is some of the other parents that want to discriminate. Since you support the school in having the freedom to make this decision regardless of what others may think, including those parents, your last line should read:

"I hope he gets to stay and that the other parents shut up or use their freedom to leave. That would be a victory for freedom."

Right?

Thank you.