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Parents Try To Oust Gay Couple's Kids From School

aidanjm

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Parents Try To Oust Gay Couple's Kids From School

by The Associated Press
January 2, 2005

(Costa Mesa, California) A group of parents and parishioners has accused the Roman Catholic diocese of Orange County of violating church doctrine by allowing a gay couple to enroll their children in a Catholic school.

The group has demanded that St. John the Baptist School in Costa Mesa accept only families that pledge to abide by Catholic teachings. That would likely bar the men's two adopted boys from attending the school's kindergarten because of church opposition to relationships and adoption by same-sex couples.

"This is not a radical or mean-spirited approach to Catholic education," the group told the school in a letter reviewed by the Los Angeles Times. "It is a straightforward assurance to any prospective parent that their child will be taught the fullness of Roman Catholic doctrine."

School officials, however, rejected demands for a parental covenant last week and issued a new policy stating that a family's background "does not constitute an absolute obstacle to enrollment in the school."

"I firmly believe that this policy is in line with the teaching of the Catholic Church," Rev. Martin Benzoni, who oversees the 550-student elementary and middle school, told the Times.

Rev. Gerald M. Horan, superintendent of schools operated by the diocese, suggested that hewing too closely to Catholic beliefs would mean banning children whose parents divorced, used birth control or married outside the church.

"This is the quagmire that the parents position represents," Horan said. "It's a slippery slope to go down."

The boys' fathers, who enrolled their children at the beginning the school year, declined to comment to the Times.

The decision outraged some parents, with several promising to ask the Vatican to intervene and threatening to switch schools.

"The teachings of the church seem to have been abandoned," said parent John R. Nixon. "We send our children to a Catholic school because we expect and demand that the teachings of our church will be adhered to. If our Catholic school is no longer teaching and living Catholic doctrine, we might as well send our children to public schools."

Others worried the boys' attendance would set a precedent, portraying it as part of a larger effort by the gay community to change church strictures.

"The boys are being used as pawns by these men to further their agenda," said Monica Sii, who has four children at the school.

At least a handful of similar disputes have occurred around the country, according to Rev. Jim Schexnayder of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries. In Oregon, a lesbian couple has sued a Catholic school that rejected their daughter.

Some parents backed the school's position.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," said Katie Flores, whose daughter is a classmate of the boys.

Even so, the group of parents planned to continue pressing their demands.

"We're taking a stand for the faith," said parent Ken Stashik. "This is much larger than what's going on in a small Catholic school in a small town."

©Associated Press 2005



Wonder why the couple felt it was important to send their children to a Catholic school? Was that a wise move? Surely they must have known it might lead to problems. Then again, if this couple are "devout" Catholics, maybe it is very important to them that the children receive a Catholic education. Frankly, I am always amazed to encounter gay xians, gay Catholics in particular - how can people retain allegiance to an organisation that has so thoroughly rejected them? As for the parents demanding the children be expelled from the school, it seems they are seeking to punish the children for their parents behavior. Also, they seem to be giving the message that if someone doesn't live up to their own (supposedly) high moral standards, then they should just be banished from the community.

 
"This is not a radical or mean-spirited approach to Catholic education," the group told the school in a letter reviewed by the Los Angeles Times. "It is a straightforward assurance to any prospective parent that their child will be taught the fullness of Roman Catholic doctrine."

these people are friggin' idiots, how do the actions of the parents impact what the school teaches? benzoni, horan, sii, and flores hit it on the nail.
 
Those Parents must be afraid that the gay couples children might influence their own children with tolerance.
 
At my kids' Catholic school there's a lesbian couple has two boys there. There are also a lot of mixed race kids too whose parents send them there because they find acceptance.

There should be choice in education, not the tyrrany we have now. One size doesn't fit all.
 
The school should pull a Jesus and make a list of all Parents/Students who contravene strict Catholic teaching. Then watch the mass of Parents get all defensive about their Sins. Would be quite entertaining.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
At my kids' Catholic school there's a lesbian couple has two boys there. There are also a lot of mixed race kids too whose parents send them there because they find acceptance.

There should be choice in education, not the tyrrany we have now. One size doesn't fit all.

tyranny?
 
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
At my kids' Catholic school there's a lesbian couple has two boys there. There are also a lot of mixed race kids too whose parents send them there because they find acceptance.

There should be choice in education, not the tyrrany we have now. One size doesn't fit all.

tyranny?

I think he meant to say Holocaust. 😉
 
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?
 
America is a'cha cha cha changing. You go with the flow or else you will be left behind. With the huge influx of immigrants pouring into this great country, I believe Christian American's are the ones that will be left out in the cold. I cannot wait until the Chinese, Arabs and other non-Christians start to settle in great numbers in the mid-west. They alone will change the political and religious landscape of what is now White America. The racism that is evident in the mid west will be no more as non-whites will start to replace white middle class citizens.

What a great day when this happens. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

Secular humanism?
I agree with you totally! Kids should have a choice! Religion should not be taught in school! It's up to the parents! Nothing could be better than letting the kids make their own decisions!
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

Secular humanism?
I agree with you totally! Kids should have a choice! Religion should not be taught in school! It's up to the parents! Nothing could be better than letting the kids make their own decisions!

children have no business making important decisions in their life. they don't have a complete understanding of the reprecussions of their actions...... which is why they have parents.

 
Originally posted by: tec699
America is a'cha cha cha changing. You go with the flow or else you will be left behind. With the huge influx of immigrants pouring into this great country, I believe Christian American's are the ones that will be left out in the cold. I cannot wait until the Chinese, Arabs and other non-Christians start to settle in great numbers in the mid-west. They alone will change the political and religious landscape of what is now White America. The racism that is evident in the mid west will be no more as non-whites will start to replace white middle class citizens.

What a great day when this happens. 🙂

I don't think the transition will be quite as graceful as you think.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Rev. Gerald M. Horan, superintendent of schools operated by the diocese, suggested that hewing too closely to Catholic beliefs would mean banning children whose parents divorced, used birth control or married outside the church.

:thumbsup::beer:

Way to stand up for tolerance!
 
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers. "no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: tec699
America is a'cha cha cha changing. You go with the flow or else you will be left behind. With the huge influx of immigrants pouring into this great country, I believe Christian American's are the ones that will be left out in the cold. I cannot wait until the Chinese, Arabs and other non-Christians start to settle in great numbers in the mid-west. They alone will change the political and religious landscape of what is now White America. The racism that is evident in the mid west will be no more as non-whites will start to replace white middle class citizens.

What a great day when this happens. 🙂

I don't think the transition will be quite as graceful as you think.

You're right, but it won't be as hard-fought as the civil rights movement.

I find it extremely bizarre and unfortunate that those who do not come into contact with what they fear end up fearing it more.

Example: People in the mid-west/south are more afraid of terrorism than people in New York, DC, LA, Chicago, all serious terrorist targets

People in areas where homosexuality is not as common (or hidden) are more homophobic than people who live with homosexuals (Texas vs. NY, or Ca)
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers. "no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.

Wait a tic. Non-Christians and non-catholics have no problem going to Catholic school and for the most part, the school is very accepting of them. Now that a kid (whose parents are gay, and probably want him to have a catholic upbringing) tries to go to Catholic school deserves to get kicked out?

Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?

I'll argue that this is a loss for freedom, because the child lost the freedom to attend any school regardless of his parents sexual orientation. How does that even have any relevance to his attending the school?
 
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yeah, it's tyrranical.

There's a lot of parents, like myself, who don't want their kids to be exposed to the secular humanism taught in public schools. Fortunately, I have the financial resources to pay school tax plus pay tuition at the school I want my kids to attend.

A lot of parents don't have that luxury.

What do you have against freedom of choice?

Secular humanism?
I agree with you totally! Kids should have a choice! Religion should not be taught in school! It's up to the parents! Nothing could be better than letting the kids make their own decisions!

children have no business making important decisions in their life. they don't have a complete understanding of the reprecussions of their actions...... which is why they have parents.

Wrong, parents have no buisness making important deciscions for their kids. The older people get, the more stubborn and less likely they get to change their ways, even if they are proven wrong, they will still deny any evidence contrary to their belief. Children are a clean slate, teach kids what we know as a fact, and let them judge from that. Lets see where society will take us from there. If you teach them things like the Q'uran or the Bible, they will be indoctrinated and they are forced to believe, with their own will ofcourse, the things they are thought. And they have no free will as grownups.
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers. "no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.

At some point your correct. But then again, only in your perfect delusional world. What if muslims taught kids in school that the earth was flat, and that Jews were evil, as it is said in both the Q'uran end the new testament.
 
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?
I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?
I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

What about discrimination and sexual harassment laws? Would you call those anti-freedom?

Not allowing this child into the school because of his PARENTS is plain discrimination. We have laws against this for a reason, to preserve freedom.
 
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?
I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

What about discrimination and sexual harassment laws? Would you call those anti-freedom?

Not allowing this child into the school because of his PARENTS is plain discrimination. We have laws against this for a reason, to preserve freedom.
Yes, anti-discrimination laws are anti-freedom. It is our right to discriminate! We do it every day - people discriminate against who they want to date; people discriminate against who they want to be friends with, etc.

Freedom means you are free to pursue your goals without infringing on other's.. There are no laws against homosexuals opening up schools for gay kids and kids of gay parents.

Your "freedom" ends where it affects me. I have the freedom to choose which private school I want to attend. Those private schools have the freedom to choose whether or not to accept me. Your "freedom" does not mean you can impose your will on anyone because you feel like it.
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?
I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

What about discrimination and sexual harassment laws? Would you call those anti-freedom?

Not allowing this child into the school because of his PARENTS is plain discrimination. We have laws against this for a reason, to preserve freedom.
Yes, anti-discrimination laws are anti-freedom. It is our right to discriminate! We do it every day - people discriminate against who they want to date; people discriminate against who they want to be friends with, etc.

Freedom means you are free to pursue your goals without infringing on other's.. There are no laws against homosexuals opening up schools for gay kids and kids of gay parents.

Your "freedom" ends where it affects me. I have the freedom to choose which private school I want to attend. Those private schools have the freedom to choose whether or not to accept me. Your "freedom" does not mean you can impose your will on anyone because you feel like it.

So how is not allowing a boy into a school, not because of his prior actions but because of his parents, not infringing on the boy's freedoms?

As for your argument that anti-discrimination laws are anti-freedom, I won't really argue those except to say that by allowing discrimination, you're reducing the freedom of others.
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Since when is homosexuality's lack of acceptance in the Church a major Catholic teaching?

Why does this kid deserve to get kicked out when he has done nothing wrong? How is this a victory for freedom?
I'm not arguing about whether or not homosexuality is bad. I'm arguing that private businesses have the right to refuse service to whatever customer they choose.

This is a victory for freedom because it means that the free-market wins and government does not get involved dictating how individual businesses should run.

What about discrimination and sexual harassment laws? Would you call those anti-freedom?

Not allowing this child into the school because of his PARENTS is plain discrimination. We have laws against this for a reason, to preserve freedom.
Yes, anti-discrimination laws are anti-freedom. It is our right to discriminate! We do it every day - people discriminate against who they want to date; people discriminate against who they want to be friends with, etc.

Freedom means you are free to pursue your goals without infringing on other's.. There are no laws against homosexuals opening up schools for gay kids and kids of gay parents.

Your "freedom" ends where it affects me. I have the freedom to choose which private school I want to attend. Those private schools have the freedom to choose whether or not to accept me. Your "freedom" does not mean you can impose your will on anyone because you feel like it.

Did you come here in a time machine from Mississippi circa 1963?

If so, can I see it?
 
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I see nothing wrong with this. Private businesses should be allowed to discrimate against whom they want as their customers. "no shirt, no shoes, no service" If the kid's parents are so upset about it, then all of the gays can get together and start their own business (school).

I hope he gets kicked out. That would be a victory for freedom.

Seems to me that the school has chosen to accept the kid and not discriminate. It is some of the other parents that want to discriminate. Since you support the school in having the freedom to make this decision regardless of what others may think, including those parents, your last line should read:

"I hope he gets to stay and that the other parents shut up or use their freedom to leave. That would be a victory for freedom."

Right?
 
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