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Parents to teachers: No more red pencils
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dmcowen674
No Lifer
Our Military might will go down the tubes too.
These Wussified Kids won't be able to handle anything.
These Wussified Kids won't be able to handle anything.
Why should how a pen stands out against carbon copies even be an issue? If your schools are still using them, you have bigger issues than what colour pens teachers use.
Blue stands out just fine on black and white printer paper. It does the job.
Are you opposed to blue pens for some reason Cad? Were you violated by one as a child?
School is crazy nowadays....
everything is oversensitized (remember the first grade boy who was sued for pecking another classmate on a cheek)...
I actually respected the red pen, sure I didn't like seeing it but it did easily point out where I was wrong and I learned from it....
sad that things like this come about where teachers are afraid to correct....glad I never went into the profession.
everything is oversensitized (remember the first grade boy who was sued for pecking another classmate on a cheek)...
I actually respected the red pen, sure I didn't like seeing it but it did easily point out where I was wrong and I learned from it....
sad that things like this come about where teachers are afraid to correct....glad I never went into the profession.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
The color is everything!? What the hell has she been doing for the last 31 years? I'd shoot myself if, after 30+ years of dedicated service, I could summarize my entire career by saying that the color of the pen I used was all that mattered.
WTF?
I'm starting my campaign now that toilet paper no longer be white. I mean, white toilet paper is *obviously* has some sort of psychological racial-tension built in - it's demaining to Caucasions. I'll demand that custodian all across the school system replace their roll of TP with colorless saran-wrap. 😛
azazyel
Diamond Member
I agree that these things shouldn't be mandated by parents but I do agree that the Red Ink does have a negative connotations. Growing up dyslexic in a time when dyslexia was equated to short bus, I developed a real fear of the red ink. Even though I always excelled in math and science I really had to bust my arse in English for fear of the slow class. This was especially true when I would work really hard on a paper and see it come back all in red, to my eyes it screamed STOOPID!! I remember getting my first paper back with green ink and it really did make me feel better.
Eventually my writing did get better but it was because my mom would constantly work with me (we're talking 5 hours for 20 spelling word) and I was lucky to have some teachers who cared. In fact it was in High School when I finally had a teacher sit me down and tell me, "I understand what you are trying to say and it's really good. You just need to work on writing it so other people can understand it." That was the first time in my life that I let myself believe that it wasn't my ideas that were bad, it just way I conveyed them. I know that doesn't sound too profound but for me it was a huge weight that was lifted.
Basically, it doesn't matter what ink is used but I would suggest to a teacher that they might mix it up. Because when a kid is constantly scared of something they usually end up quitting it (adults too). It takes both parents to help the kid at home and a caring teaching to not just show them where mistakes were made by why the were mistakes at all. We need to start encouraging self confidence in our kids but it is stupid for us to think that this can be giving when in fact it must be earned.
Eventually my writing did get better but it was because my mom would constantly work with me (we're talking 5 hours for 20 spelling word) and I was lucky to have some teachers who cared. In fact it was in High School when I finally had a teacher sit me down and tell me, "I understand what you are trying to say and it's really good. You just need to work on writing it so other people can understand it." That was the first time in my life that I let myself believe that it wasn't my ideas that were bad, it just way I conveyed them. I know that doesn't sound too profound but for me it was a huge weight that was lifted.
Basically, it doesn't matter what ink is used but I would suggest to a teacher that they might mix it up. Because when a kid is constantly scared of something they usually end up quitting it (adults too). It takes both parents to help the kid at home and a caring teaching to not just show them where mistakes were made by why the were mistakes at all. We need to start encouraging self confidence in our kids but it is stupid for us to think that this can be giving when in fact it must be earned.
DragonMasterAlex
Banned
Hmm, haven't we seen some practical application of that mentality recently? Observe the Terri Schiavo case: Her family lost, so what did they want to do? Keep suing until they actually win one. Sad, really.
I rather think that MORE children need to be redlined on MORE tests. Stop coddling these kids, you're WRECKING their brains! They NEED that little bit of stress in order to compel them to improve themselves. Hell, if the worst stress life was going to throw at you was red pencil marks, I'd *gladly* accept them.
Jason
JustAnAverageGuy
Diamond Member
:laugh: :beer:
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Sure, I don't expect any schools to still be using the old blue ditto "copies", but that isn't the point. WTF is wrong with Red? It stands out much more than a blue on black and just because someone's feelings are tweaked doesn't mean things should be changed.
Oh, and no - TROLL - I don't have a problem with Blue pens - do you have a problem with RED pens? "Were you violated by one as a child?" :roll:
CsG
I have been a grader, and I 've also been graded plenty. Red is good because it does stand out on blue, black and pencil. When I've been graded with other colors it doesn't change my grade or the comments, just makes them hard to catch when I'm going over the test or paper. You're supposed to review your wrong answers and learn from them, hopefully not make them again.
If they make purple the new color for correction, then after awhile purple will be stressful too, might as well leave it red as is, so we can all still enjoy purple in the future as much as we do now.
BS!! Love the + comments in red, love 'em!!
If they make purple the new color for correction, then after awhile purple will be stressful too, might as well leave it red as is, so we can all still enjoy purple in the future as much as we do now.
dannybin1742
Platinum Member
CSG is right, if its wrong its wrong, i didn't get to where i am in life right now by simply coasting through school as too many kids do now-a-days. you did it wrong , its wrong
study for tests, read books, and you shouldn't have a problem with school, this is just another "make the kids feel good" thing that is making american public education look like a F@@ing joke
red says shut off the F___ing TV, pick up you school books, buckle down and put in the time to learn it, plain and simple-----parents need to start promoting this in their homes, i know my parents did, and many of my friends parents didn't, thats why i have a college degree and some of them are still trying to figure out what to do in life or are stuck in a low end job feeling sorry for themselves. life is what you make it, settling for average is retarded, work hard
rant done.
my teachers always used a variety. red, green, a bright purple, and even those gel pens with glitter in them 😛
But yeah, I agree this is ridiculously stupid. I've had many a papers with 90% circled on them in red. Hmmm...I always wanted to be a teacher in the end rather than retire...maybe I'll remember this 50 years from now and play some psycological expiraments on them 😉
But yeah, I agree this is ridiculously stupid. I've had many a papers with 90% circled on them in red. Hmmm...I always wanted to be a teacher in the end rather than retire...maybe I'll remember this 50 years from now and play some psycological expiraments on them 😉
judasmachine
Diamond Member
I say corporal punishment for everyone; parents, kids, teachers, and administrators untill they just decide to make cases based on facts.
Sure, I don't expect any schools to still be using the old blue ditto "copies", but that isn't the point. WTF is wrong with Red? It stands out much more than a blue on black and just because someone's feelings are tweaked doesn't mean things should be changed.
Oh, and no - TROLL - I don't have a problem with Blue pens - do you have a problem with RED pens? "Were you violated by one as a child?" :roll:
CsG[/quote]
Just that you seem irrationally against change. I agree with you that this stuff shouldn't be mandated by pitchfork-wielding mobs of parents. But you seem against any change in this regard whatsoever, almost like you would be opposed to individual teachers making educational decisions vis a vis the pens. Some teachers, who's opinions on the matter I take more seriously than you, seeing as they actually spend all day in the classroom, think that colour makes a difference. Would you be opposed to them switching to blue pens? Or purple? Or green with polka-dots?
The policy issue here is that the parents are interefering in the classroom. Not the colour of pens in use. If I were thrust into a classroom, I would use blue pens, because my sister (an actual teacher, and not a wimpy one either) says it makes a difference.
If pens make any difference at all in educational outcomes, then I would suggest that the psychological effect they have would outwiegh the problem of children not being able to find your corrections on a page. But you seem to think that that is a huge problem in our educational system, and that red pens should be mandated from on high.
Personally, I really don't think that it makes much difference one way or the other.
I agree with you on basic principle, and still think you are irrational. It's kinda funny. My "troll" had a point: you were being irrationally opposed to a tiny change that doesn't affect you. I wondered why.
I notice some of you are blaming the educational system for crap like this. And that's exactly the problem, a lot of parents don't want to take responsibility for their own damn kids. Whatever the problem is, clearly it's the educational system, or the media, or music, or video games, or Britney Spears. Your little 12 year old daughter dresses like a skank? Why bother parenting when you can just form a coalition of parents against Britney Spears. Your kids have low self esteem, too much free time annd ready access to guns...must be Doom's fault!
And predictably enough I see some of you slower people on here saying this is a liberal value. Maybe you haven't been paying attention lately, but EVERYONE is doing it. It's not about having "soft" kids, it's about the fact that kids don't turn out very well when parents don't do their job. Those of you that are so proud of how you turned out ok without all this wussy schooling stuff need to take a moment and remember that you probably turned out ok because your parents did an ok job. Kids aren't naturally wussier and parents and schools aren't more liberal. The problem is that parents don't seem to want to do their job any more, kids don't do very well with that (for obvious reasons), and parents are looking to blame anyone but themselves.
And predictably enough I see some of you slower people on here saying this is a liberal value. Maybe you haven't been paying attention lately, but EVERYONE is doing it. It's not about having "soft" kids, it's about the fact that kids don't turn out very well when parents don't do their job. Those of you that are so proud of how you turned out ok without all this wussy schooling stuff need to take a moment and remember that you probably turned out ok because your parents did an ok job. Kids aren't naturally wussier and parents and schools aren't more liberal. The problem is that parents don't seem to want to do their job any more, kids don't do very well with that (for obvious reasons), and parents are looking to blame anyone but themselves.
Just wait till green (or whatever colour is used) is inculcated over time in the culture as the marking colour of choice, and the psychological responses will be the same as with the current usage of red, thus creating a circle where colours will have to be kept chancing perpetually.
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