Same for me. My parents raised me fine, but I've made a lot of stupid choices and didn't listen to them. They aren't to blame at all for any situation I get into.
Same for me. My parents raised me fine, but I've made a lot of stupid choices and didn't listen to them. They aren't to blame at all for any situation I get into.
:roll: Were any of your relatives students there during the shooting?
If not, STFU, they can only tell sh!t second-hand.
JulesMaximus
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I have no idea one way or another, but first off there's no proof that the dude on that forum was even telling the truth about everything, and secondly, even if HE hadn't heard of the trenchcoat mafia doesn't mean it didn't exist.
edit: also, the dude on that forum was a freshmen when it happened, and didn't even know the killers, so I would take anything he says about the incident in general with a grain of salt.
This reminds me of this one time I was sitting there at a basketball game. I went to another littleton high school about 10 minutes from Columbine and I said something how it was bullsh1t how their district had 10 million or so of funding for athletic departments for 3 different high schools and columbine got 8 million of it just because they were Columbine. Some parent went off on me and wouldn't stop until I apoogized and said Columbine deserved all of what they got...
Yes, you are 17 and obviously right about something that happened when you were fcking 11 years old.
OrByte
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I think if the parents were at all concerned with the damage thier sons wrought in that community and in this country, then they would apologize and they would keep apologizing...even if they didn't like it, because the parents of those killed need SOMEONE to apologize to them, to aid in closure.
The type of stance they are taking is indicative of the, "me first, mine mine MINE!" attitude that contributed (undoubtedly) to thier kids malfunctions.
They are responsible. They made it worse with thier interview, I hope they never have the chance to say anything to the general media again.
The type of stance they are taking is indicative of the, "me first, mine mine MINE!" attitude that contributed (undoubtedly) to thier kids malfunctions.
They are responsible. They made it worse with thier interview, I hope they never have the chance to say anything to the general media again.
Parents simply do not know what their kids are up to and a lot of times that is hard to stop. You cannot blame the parents for what happened. If my kid broke into a van and stole some tools why would I all of a sudden think that he wanted to kill people?
That's a terrible argument....granted it sucks for the parents whose kids were killed, but that doesn't mean that the parents of those responsible for it should....and how is not apologizing indicitave of that kind of attitude you suggest? Just because they won't apologize for something they don't think they are responible for (at least responsible enough to warrant an apology), doesn't mean they have that attitude. Let's hope YOU never post say anything to the general media either.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203
Good article on the reasons and psychological state of the two guys from Columbine.
Good article on the reasons and psychological state of the two guys from Columbine.
Amused
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Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.
I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.
Apparently I need to edit this to add something I left out:
I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.
I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.
Apparently I need to edit this to add something I left out:
I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.
OrByte
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and your arguement reads that the parents shouldn't apologize because they don't feel like they have to. As a parent sometimes your job is cleaning up after your kids mistakes even though they are mistakes and the parent has done everything in thier ability to prevent those mistakes from happening. Have you ever had your kid throw sand at another kid at the park? or have to pick up your kid from school for cheating on a test? Granted the actions taken by those two were on a much greater scale, but as a parent, you take responsibilty because other people (as a society) are affected by your child's actions and if your child can't see that then you have to make up for that EVEN if you don't feel like it.
to me, the response from the parents shows a disregard to society, an aloofness that in my opinion, was something that may have rubbed off on those two kids....it doesn't sound all too far fetched.
edit
thanks for the link, pretty spooky stuff.
Wow. That's the stupidest most illogical argument I've ever heard you make. Did someone hijack your account?
In school kids do get bullied and some get treated horribly. But it is how they respond and react to this treatment that sets them apart as humans. As parents it is your jobs to teach your kid how to handle all sorts of scenarios ESPECIALLY the worst. So while schools are usually responsible for 'setting these kids off', I think that growing up and dealing with it is a necessary part of understanding life.
Er, I am mixed on the apologizing though, while they might not have raised their kids greatly, they probably didn't do the worst job either. At the end of the day, the kids had to make the choice to do what they did. That choice is there own and they are the only ones who can apologize for it. If that was my kid, I most likely would feel terribly sorry both for my kid and the kids he killed but I can't say that these parents MUST apologize. I think the other parents, while acting out of emotion, are being pretty thick headed as well if they can't see the whole scenario.
Er, I am mixed on the apologizing though, while they might not have raised their kids greatly, they probably didn't do the worst job either. At the end of the day, the kids had to make the choice to do what they did. That choice is there own and they are the only ones who can apologize for it. If that was my kid, I most likely would feel terribly sorry both for my kid and the kids he killed but I can't say that these parents MUST apologize. I think the other parents, while acting out of emotion, are being pretty thick headed as well if they can't see the whole scenario.
yllus
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Yikes, that's the least logical thing I've ever heard from you. It sounds like it'd lead to an extreme of one sort or another. Either the parents would ride their kids' asses right up until they turned 18 and make their lives a non-independent hell, or the kids would effectively hold their parents hostage and being able to do any damn thing they want.
They lost their children and have to live with being the parents of two of America's most villified teen-villains. Do we need to prosecute and put them in jail, too? Seems a bit extreme.
yllus
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I don't believe it to be incredibly difficult for someone age 14 or older to conceal what they're up to during the day while their parents are at work. It's not like the parents would naturally sweep the garage for incendiary devices every Sunday.
Nitemare
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no, but sterilize them so they can't do it again.
The parents are the posterchild for absentee parents all over who allow their kids to do what they want when they want with no parental caring or support. Had Dylan and the other kid had a parent that gave a sh!t and was there for them, there would be alot fewer graves in Columbine
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