Parents of Columbine killer "not sorry"...

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

Yikes, that's the least logical thing I've ever heard from you. It sounds like it'd lead to an extreme of one sort or another. Either the parents would ride their kids' asses right up until they turned 18 and make their lives a non-independent hell, or the kids would effectively hold their parents hostage and being able to do any damn thing they want.

Why is it illogical? Are the parents not responsible for how their kids turn out? Were it anything other than a child, and it caused the death of another (dog, car, lawn ornament...) they most certainly would be held accountable. Yet, just because it's a child, they are free of responibility for the harm that chuld caused while under their care and responsibility?

The logic is sound. The problem is ILlogical emotionalism surrounding children.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

Yikes, that's the least logical thing I've ever heard from you. It sounds like it'd lead to an extreme of one sort or another. Either the parents would ride their kids' asses right up until they turned 18 and make their lives a non-independent hell, or the kids would effectively hold their parents hostage and being able to do any damn thing they want.

They made fvckin pipe bombs in the garage...how are the parents not accountable

I don't believe it to be incredibly difficult for someone age 14 or older to conceal what they're up to during the day while their parents are at work. It's not like the parents would naturally sweep the garage for incendiary devices every Sunday.

A cursery search of the basement found weapons, bombs and whole truck loads of other stuff. No way a kid can hide that from a RESPONSIBLE parent.

 

[skychief]

I belive I read somewhere that these kids had very little supervision and if thats true then yes the parents should be sorry. Unfortunately though, I've seen parents do everything that they could possibly do and still have problems with their kids. Their peers and their enviornment, I belive, are what saddly turned these kids. It looked like these guys were outsiders but more importantly intelligent outsiders with a lot of idle time which can be very dangerous.

 

[phantom309]

When I was a teenager in the 70s, we had much easier access to alcohol, drugs, and especially firearms than teenagers do now. We listened to music that was just as bleak and depressing. There was plenty of violence on TV and in the movies. If anything, we were less affluent and less hopeful about the future. Yet this type of crime was totally unheard of.

If it's not the parents, what else could it be?

 

[PanzerIV]

Those two were nucking futz and fate put them together. They had an complete and utter lack of regard for the fallout that would occur and tarnish their family name forever. How the hell could they care about strangers when they didn't even have the foresight nor compassion for what would happen to their own parents?
This tells me in spite of what little I believe the parents could have done these two were bad seeds and were going to do what they did anyway. They always remind me of the movie "The Good Son." I think their parents could have showered them with love and affection and monitored them and still they would have done something awful together or independently because they were evil.

 

[Nanotech]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
they should be sorry for being sh!tty parents

Who are you to say they were sh!tty parents? They were probably excellent parents to children that wanted to simply rebel against society in the most horrific way they could imagine.

 

[Twista]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
I'm too lazy to look it up, but where did they get the guns? Didn't they get them from one of their households? Yeah, that's called sh!tty parenting. Leaving fscking guns open to your demented son and his friends.

Also, there was no such thing as the Trench Coat Mafia, that was all made up by the media.

I saw a mtv special a couple months ago and they got the bullets from Kmart. After the media got involved and brought one of the victims ( in wheel chair now with kmart bullet still in him). They also made them take bullets out of EVERY kmart store.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

Yikes, that's the least logical thing I've ever heard from you. It sounds like it'd lead to an extreme of one sort or another. Either the parents would ride their kids' asses right up until they turned 18 and make their lives a non-independent hell, or the kids would effectively hold their parents hostage and being able to do any damn thing they want.

Why is it illogical? Are the parents not responsible for how their kids turn out? Were it anything other than a child, and it caused the death of another (dog, car, lawn ornament...) they most certainly would be held accountable. Yet, just because it's a child, they are free of responibility for the harm that chuld caused while under their care and responsibility?

The logic is sound. The problem is ILlogical emotionalism surrounding children.

No, it isn't sound. A parent can do everything right and still have a fvck-up for a kid. You'll see that one day. How exactly can a parent control the behavior of an indepedent person? Just because they are a minor? It is illogical and I will assume you don't have kids or were raised in a one child family.

 

[skychief]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

Yikes, that's the least logical thing I've ever heard from you. It sounds like it'd lead to an extreme of one sort or another. Either the parents would ride their kids' asses right up until they turned 18 and make their lives a non-independent hell, or the kids would effectively hold their parents hostage and being able to do any damn thing they want.

They made fvckin pipe bombs in the garage...how are the parents not accountable

I don't believe it to be incredibly difficult for someone age 14 or older to conceal what they're up to during the day while their parents are at work. It's not like the parents would naturally sweep the garage for incendiary devices every Sunday.

A cursery search of the basement found weapons, bombs and whole truck loads of other stuff. No way a kid can hide that from a RESPONSIBLE parent.

It scares me to think what some of my friends would have done without any adult supervision and the internet. Even in the early eighties we were able to get our hands on books detailing how to make explosives and zip guns. It's amazing that will still have all of our digits.

 

[Stark]

if you are a parent and your child:

a. murders someone
b. becomes a porn "performer"
c. has a close relationship in their youth with michael jackson

you have failed completely. not all parents have the backbone to admit the truth.

 

[joinT]

"I haven't done anything for which I need forgiveness," Susan Klebold said.

"I think he suffered horribly before he died," Susan Klebold said. "For not seeing that, I will never forgive myself."

brilliant :roll:

 

[godfire]

I think Chris Rock put it best in Bigger and Blacker...whatever happened to just plain crazy? Sure, parents, media and games are a factor...but none of that is going to make you kill people. Those kids were just insane.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: scottdog81

Originally posted by: ElFenix
they should be sorry for being sh!tty parents

I think as any other parents, they tried their best, but the kids were just insane. I don't think they could have done anything more than they did to prevent the incident.

Same here.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

I don't agree. Children, especially in their teens, are independent persons with thier own unique ideas and behavior that a parent cannot possibly hope to control 100%. As a parent you instill morals and responsibility in your children but ultimately, the acts of the child, especially so as they get older, are the acts of an independent person. The only way you could control your child 100% is to lock them into a room and even then, if you're not careful, you're likely to get the house burnt down.

That aside, yes, these parents probably do have some responsibility in what happened. To what extent is impossible to say.

In reading this article where Harris is diagnosed as a psychopath, how does a parent take full responsibility for something like that? I can only hope I never have to deal with a child that has the behavior of a psychopath. Your love for your child and hope that things will normalize can most likely blind you to what others may see; not to mention how utterly exhausting caring for a troublesome child can be when you have all of the other daily responsibilities of your life to tend to.

I feel sorry for the parents. Yes, maybe there was bad parenting that contributed to what happened, but I can't honestly say I would be up to the challenge that these kids presented. I've seen some really fvcked up kids whose behavior had nothing to do with their parents lack of parenting.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

Yikes, that's the least logical thing I've ever heard from you. It sounds like it'd lead to an extreme of one sort or another. Either the parents would ride their kids' asses right up until they turned 18 and make their lives a non-independent hell, or the kids would effectively hold their parents hostage and being able to do any damn thing they want.

Why is it illogical? Are the parents not responsible for how their kids turn out? Were it anything other than a child, and it caused the death of another (dog, car, lawn ornament...) they most certainly would be held accountable. Yet, just because it's a child, they are free of responibility for the harm that chuld caused while under their care and responsibility?

The logic is sound. The problem is ILlogical emotionalism surrounding children.

No, it isn't sound. A parent can do everything right and still have a fvck-up for a kid. You'll see that one day. How exactly can a parent control the behavior of an indepedent person? Just because they are a minor? It is illogical and I will assume you don't have kids or were raised in a one child family.

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.

 

[StageLeft]

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.

Yeah I agree that if a parent is negligent by commonly held standards, then they should be held responsible. I would consider that common sense. If they parented as most people parent and put in effort, tried to get things right, etc. and their kids are still murderers then the parent shouldn't be held liable, but if that person was clearly a bad parent then it makes sense for them to be held liable, just as one is held liable if their dog kills somebody.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

I could not disagree more.

Parents can only guide and teach their children, they cannot control them absolutely or force them to take the right path. Many the good parent has raised a bad child despite the best of efforts.


edit: and WHO makes the decision as to just exactly what "everything right" is? Oops! Missed a Little League, guilty! :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

I could not disagree more.

Parents can only guide and teach their children, they cannot control them absolutely or force them to take the right path. Many the good parent has raised a bad child despite the best of efforts.


edit: and WHO makes the decision as to just exactly what "everything right" is? Oops! Missed a Little League, guilty! :roll:

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.

And you cannot tell me a majority, or even a signifigant minority of criminal children come from responsible parents.

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

I could not disagree more.

Parents can only guide and teach their children, they cannot control them absolutely or force them to take the right path. Many the good parent has raised a bad child despite the best of efforts.


edit: and WHO makes the decision as to just exactly what "everything right" is? Oops! Missed a Little League, guilty! :roll:

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.

And you cannot tell me a majority, or even a signifigant minority of criminal children come from responsible parents.

Absolutely not, those kids were in high school. They are old enough to decide their own actions. Thier parents cannot be responsible for them shooting up the school. Hell, I would bet most parents have no idea what is going on in their kid's heads. It is just the way it is. I pray you are never on a jury with that kind of attitude.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

I could not disagree more.

Parents can only guide and teach their children, they cannot control them absolutely or force them to take the right path. Many the good parent has raised a bad child despite the best of efforts.


edit: and WHO makes the decision as to just exactly what "everything right" is? Oops! Missed a Little League, guilty! :roll:

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.

And you cannot tell me a majority, or even a signifigant minority of criminal children come from responsible parents.

Absolutely not, those kids were in high school. They are old enough to decide their own actions. Thier parents cannot be responsible for them shooting up the school. Hell, I would bet most parents have no idea what is going on in their kid's heads. It is just the way it is. I pray you are never on a jury with that kind of attitude.

Their parents CAN be responsible for the children stockpiling illegal weapons and explosives in the basement and garage and being totally absent in the child's life.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused
Not only should they be sorry, but they should have been prosecuted for their sons actions.

I believe custodial parents of minor children should be prosecuted for negelgence if their child commits a crime. Neglegent homocide if their minor child kills someone.

I could not disagree more.

Parents can only guide and teach their children, they cannot control them absolutely or force them to take the right path. Many the good parent has raised a bad child despite the best of efforts.


edit: and WHO makes the decision as to just exactly what "everything right" is? Oops! Missed a Little League, guilty! :roll:

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. The neglegence much be proven by the state. IF the parents "did everything right," they cannot be charged. But if, as in this case, they were completely neglegent and absent in the child's life, they can be.

And you cannot tell me a majority, or even a signifigant minority of criminal children come from responsible parents.

So what kind of burden of proof are we talking about? This is one of those issues that the mores and standards of society are going to vary wildy. It just seems to me as if it would be really hard to judge the effectiveness of something like parenting in relation to behavior. There are so many economic, sociological, and physical factors there.