Parents keep child's gender secret

[shortylickens]

You guys are getting too worked up about this. Studies show that gender identity is more biological than something that's raised. There was a boy who's circumcision got fucked up, and they decided to give him a vagina and raised him as a girl. He had gender identity issues his whole life until his adulthood when his parents finally broke the news to him.

Ahhh, that would mean the issues are psychological.
If it were mostly biological than making him a girl would have caused his personality to be a girl, which it obviously wasnt.

Granted, everything psychological is simultaneously biological but thats a whole separate issue.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I think the funniest thing about all this is that people actually care. Truly, these people are masters in the art of trolling.

 

[Redfraggle]

Unschooling is a bit like Montessori as I see it, although some parents probably take it too far and don't push/encourage kids to learn important things. We aren't living on the frontier anymore, and it's important for kids to learn about the world they are going to live it. I don't mean at all that you need to be instructing them in settings that are like mini corporations (heh elementary class coups, class CEO, sorry, done now), I just mean that they do need to learn real skills and facts as well.

My guess is that the kid is a female and they are hoping to raise an empowered female. As to why their boys are so flamboyant, who knows. Some boys just are, and we cannot say it is or isn't because of their upbringing.

 

[shortylickens]

I think the funniest thing about all this is that people actually care. Truly, these people are masters in the art of trolling.

Sorry to disappoint but not all of us are basement nerds. We have an interest in the world and are occasionally concerned about what happens in it.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

What's a 46,XY with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome?

Chromosomally male. But with no internal genitalia. And female external genitalia. At least, from my understanding of sexual differentiation, that's what you get.

So I'd say female.

You guys are getting too worked up about this. Studies show that gender identity is more biological than something that's raised.

This is exactly why the parents' decision is dumb. It's like crawling up an escalator the wrong way. Just a whole lot of wasted effort and grief. I bet the parents are going to start getting all worked up about 'outside influences' when their precious little It starts getting colour/toy preferences and later. I wonder what they're going to do when It hits puberty?

 

[yhelothar]

Ahhh, that would mean the issues are psychological.
If it were mostly biological than making him a girl would have caused his personality to be a girl, which it obviously wasnt.

Granted, everything psychological is simultaneously biological but thats a whole separate issue.

Nah it would mean the issues are biological. They didn't completely biologically make him into a girl. They only changed the genitals and gave hormones, and not even that was enough because there are other morphological differences in the brain that are now currently found that result in gender differences.

They psychologically treated him as a girl. He was nurtured as a girl and made to believe he was a girl. He felt in conflict with who he naturally felt he was and what he was being raised as.

 

[coloumb]

I don't know why - but when I initially saw the title of the article - I instantly thought of Lady Gaga. Maybe it's due to the video of her adjusting her crotch to make people think she had a penis.

I feel sorry for the kids - they're definitely going to suffer as a result of experimental parenting [or maybe not since they are being "educated" at home].

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Maybe it's due to the video of her adjusting her crotch to make people think she had a penis.

Link?

 

[Mr. Lennon]

With all the other kinds of shit it's legal to afflict your kids with, this is the one you cunts get mad about? You can legally hit your kids, something you can't even do to animals. You can feed them fast food every day of their lives. You can raise them as Christian Scientists.

Quoted for truth.

 

[TheVrolok]

Chromosomally male. But with no internal genitalia. And female external genitalia. At least, from my understanding of sexual differentiation, that's what you get.

So I'd say female.

I asked merely to emphasize how "gender" can be very ambiguous. A person with 46,XY Complete AIS actually makes a more than averagely attractive female; however, "she" is a chromosomal "male" even though her only similarity to a man is her Y chromosome as everything else is female (minus testes which are surgically removed anyway) except that she cannot reproduce (as she has no uterus/ovaries).

So what decides?
Her external genitalia?
Her gonads?
Her ability (or lack thereof) to reproduce as a woman?
Her genotype?

Rather ambiguous situation when it comes to "gender."

 

[yhelothar]

I don't know why - but when I initially saw the title of the article - I instantly thought of Lady Gaga. Maybe it's due to the video of her adjusting her crotch to make people think she had a penis.

I feel sorry for the kids - they're definitely going to suffer as a result of experimental parenting [or maybe not since they are being "educated" at home].

Lady GaGa probably just has huge slices of roast beef... seems much more probable than a penis.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Quoted for truth.

Some fucking psychos actually cut off a piece of their sons penis at birth!

That shit is fucking disgusting and should be illegal.

Don't mutilate your child!

 

[yhelothar]

I asked merely to emphasize how "gender" can be very ambiguous. A person with 46,XY Complete AIS actually makes a more than averagely attractive female; however, "she" is a chromosomal "male" even though her only similarity to a man is her Y chromosome as everything else is female (minus testes which are surgically removed anyway) except that she cannot reproduce (as she has no uterus/ovaries).

So what decides?
Her external genitalia?
Her gonads?
Her ability (or lack thereof) to reproduce as a woman?
Her genotype?

Rather ambiguous situation when it comes to "gender."

Yup, given this, I can see why the parents chose what they did. It's possible for a cute little girl to grow up into a hairy dude with these kind of disorders.

 

[ahenkel]

When I was a kid in my neighborhood there was a family with 3 boys the parents used to tell them their belly button was their genitals and they used to tie them down with hand straps to their beds. Parents not always sensible.

 

[BoomerD]

Maybe the child is another Jamie Lee Curtis type...

They haven't announced the sex of the child because it's still not determined which way the kid will swing...

 

[Bateluer]

I feel sorry for this child, poor kid is going to be completely messed up if they can keep it a secret.

Realistically, I think one of the older siblings is going to break it to him. If not then, what's going to happen when they get to school and want to play sports?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I feel sorry for this child, poor kid is going to be completely messed up if they can keep it a secret.

Realistically, I think one of the older siblings is going to break it to him. If not then, what's going to happen when they get to school and want to play sports?

How can they keep it a secret? "Break it to him"? This post makes no sense.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

How can they keep it a secret? "Break it to him"? This post makes no sense.

LOL. I thought the exact same thing.

So the kid will never look down? Ever?

Hahah.

 

[DougoMan]

A lot of people tried this in the 70s. They kept their kids away from overtly boyish or girlish clothes, play toys, etc.

It didn't work. As soon as they got a chance the girls went after pink clothing and the boys toy guns.

It became a really popular study among psychologists. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[IGBT]

reckless fools giving birth to what will amount to more reckless fools. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[coloumb]

Link?

youtube- search for "Lady GaGa's Penis" - lots of videos.

 

[yhelothar]

A lot of people tried this in the 70s. They kept their kids away from overtly boyish or girlish clothes, play toys, etc.

It didn't work. As soon as they got a chance the girls went after pink clothing and the boys toy guns.

It became a really popular study among psychologists. I'll see if I can find it.

Yup. It doesn't matter if you raise them to be either sex... they're going to go with what they're biologically built to like.

I have a related study where they put girls and boys in a room full of toys, then they put girls who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia where they have elevated testosterone, and its shown that girls who have more adrenals will naturally start behaving like boys, preferring their toys and the rough and tumble play.

http://epicretouches.com/Lxr7_SexualDifferent3_WEB.ppt

 

[Redfraggle]

Some of you should really read the article before you rant, you look like morons. The parents aren't trying to keep it secret from the kid, they just aren't telling others for as long as they decide they don't want to.

 

[n7]

Idiots.

 

[TheVrolok]

Yup. It doesn't matter if you raise them to be either sex... they're going to go with what they're biologically built to like.

I have a related study where they put girls and boys in a room full of toys, then they put girls who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia where they have elevated testosterone, and its shown that girls who have more adrenals will naturally start behaving like boys, preferring their toys and the rough and tumble play.

http://epicretouches.com/Lxr7_SexualDifferent3_WEB.ppt

So your idea of gender is that girl/boy is defined by whatever the dominate EFFECTIVE sex hormone is? (Not a statement of judgment, just curious)