Parents almost kill their toddler by forcing a Vegan diet.

[PlatinumGold]

<< << Those people are nuts. Being vegan is fine in and of itself. Thier application of it is nuts. I am sure if they had been sensible and consulted with a doctor about appropriate/nutritionally sufficient substitutes for non-vegan food such as soy milk the kid would have been fine. Feeding it ground nuts and cod liver oil is just not right. >>
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this is correct. it's not an issue of vegetarianism or veganism.

We raised our kids on momma's milk till 6 months and soy formula after that. there are a lot of soy formulas on the market and they are EVERY bit as good as the milk formulas.

 

[AlwaysWong]

<< And it is still no excuse for anyone else to bash other (read: "educated/reasonal/normal") vegans for their choices for themselves and their children. >>



I agree. It's just extremists who give widely acceptable ideals a bad name. Same goes for mostly everything else... like Islam or any other religion.

 

[Jzero]

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<< And it is still no excuse for anyone else to bash other (read: "educated/reasonal/normal") vegans for their choices for themselves and their children. >>



I agree. It's just extremists who give widely acceptable ideals a bad name. Same goes for mostly everything else... like Islam or any other religion. >>


Exactly what I was thinking. This doesn't reflect on vegans, this reflects on fundamentalist nutcases. They even say they follow veganism as if it were a religion.
Every religion has it's insane zealots.

 

[Thegonagle]

<< Well, obviously they were doing what they thought was right.


But that is no excuse for their extreme stupidity. And it is still no excuse for anyone else to bash other (read: "educated/[reasonable]/normal") vegans for their choices for themselves and their children. >>


I agree. Unfortunately, some people have a decent heart but a poor mind. I don't know their motivation for being vegan, but I believe their overall stupidity and lack of common sense is the overwhelming factor in this case.

It's really sad for the child.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

The parents shouldn't be treated any differently than other parents who starve and abuse their children, that is disgusting.

Strange thing, I used to be on an e-mail list where one of the 'contributors' advocated this very things, fresh greens, fruits, veggies for even a newborn... seemed more like a troll than anything else, but I wonder if these were the same people?

 

[gopunk]

ugh people like this shouldn't be allowed to have children.

 

[Peetoeng]

<<
... when i was a kid i never had cow or breast milk. i was just given soy milk because i was lactose intolerant, and i'm still alive. so being a vegan won't kill you unless you have no idea what you are doing. >>



I am lactose intolerant, but I was breastfed. Hmm, I think baby should be able digest breast milk, however it may not be able to digest lactose present in cow's milk. I heard of rice milk used by mothers who couldn't produce enough breast milk and afford baby formula.

Between getting malnourished or obese, accountability rules whichever diet you follow.

 

[Jzero]

<< The parents shouldn't be treated any differently than other parents who starve and abuse their children, that is disgusting.

Strange thing, I used to be on an e-mail list where one of the 'contributors' advocated this very things, fresh greens, fruits, veggies for even a newborn... seemed more like a troll than anything else, but I wonder if these were the same people? >>



Well, have you seen what the average baby foods are made up of? It is mostly mashed up fruits and vegetables.
There's nothing wrong with raising a child on a vegan diet provided you are well-read enough to know how to give them adequate nutrition. Even adult vegans can be malnourished if they don't carefully balance their diet. Eating nothing but lettuce will not make you healthy.

The breast milk theory is absurd. Whatever your gripe with animal rights and all that bullcrap, I fail to see how nursing your own child could anyway be considered bad, even by level 5 vegans. There are many essential nutrients in breast milk that are vital to a child's development.

 

[justint]

I think these people are way beyond "liberal tree hugging PETA types". Most Vegans would not endorse this type of lunacy. It makes no sense. I don't think anyone could make mileage even with "liberals" by promoting how they deliberately starved thier kids.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Jzero, you do not feed a newborn any kind of food, they should be getting the breast milk or formula only, that is what they can digest. I know some who do introduce cereals as early as 3-4 mos, but many wait until at least 6mo, and really they can stay on breast milk alone until around a year, give a take a couple of months. At some point they will want and need additional food, but you don't usually go right into the pressed nut oils and raw vegetables, they cannot digest this sort of thing.

If the parents initially believed they were doing the correct thing, if they had any concern for the baby their certainty would have faded when the child was gaining weight so poorly, weighed only 10 lbs and almost a year and a half old? My God.

 

[Jzero]

<< Jzero, you do not feed a newborn any kind of food, they should be getting the breast milk or formula only, that is what they can digest. I know some who do introduce cereals as early as 3-4 mos, but many wait until at least 6mo, and really they can stay on breast milk alone until around a year, give a take a couple of months. At some point they will want and need additional food, but you don't usually go right into the pressed nut oils and raw vegetables, they cannot digest this sort of thing. >>


Sorry, didn't realize where the hair between newborn and infant splits

 

[Kadarin]

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<< 1) Those people are psychotic.

2) Here's my question: If we as a species evolved to have a desire to eat meat and the capability to process it, then how on earth is eating meat "not natural"? >>



Well, we, as a species, have evolved to do a lot of things. The most important human trait is our ability to have independant thought. I consider eating meat to be a desire that we are born with. Our ability to question that (among other things) is truly human. To be able to realize something and change the cards that evolution has dealt your species is an incredible phenomenon. Some of us choose not to eat meat because we realize that is not necessary for survival. Some go a step further and claim it to be more healthy. Those parents were obviously too involved with their vegan diets and humane activities than being good parents. I hope they realize how wrong they were in jail. >>



Good point here. The parents made what they believe to be an informed opinion to be vegans, and forgo the eating of meat products. The baby, however, is obviously not able to make such a choice, and the parents forced their beliefs upon the child, to its detriment. These parents, in addition to going to jail for the maximum term, both need to be whacked in the side of the head with a 2x4.

 

[tigerbait]

<< it's possible that they could even die from it. >>



kinda like how their child could've died? I say go for it... stuff meat down their throats.

 

[Murphyrulez]

I think there is almost nothing worse than a parent who would hurt their children. Especially over a period of time. How can you look at the most incredible thing in the world and let it starve to death?? My son is the best thing that ever happened to me, if I thought something was wrong with him, or hurting him, believe you me I would be all over it.

Bastards.

 

[Ameesh]

The Swintons, who say they approach veganism as a religion, fed the child a diet of "ground nuts, fresh-squeezed fruit juices, herbal tea, beans, cod liver oil and flax seed oil," a complaint said.



how is cod liver oil vegan? What a bunch of dumbasses.

 

[Thegonagle]

<< I think these people are way beyond "liberal tree hugging PETA types". Most Vegans would not endorse this type of lunacy. It makes no sense. I don't think anyone could make mileage even with "liberals" by promoting how they deliberately starved thier kids. >>

You are correct, sir.

And WTF is a "level 5" vegan? Does that really exist outside of the Simpsons? Does anyone know a good vegan site with some info?

 

[AreaCode707]

Does anyone know the effects of early malnutrition? Will the kid be physically small all her life, or poaaibly brain damaged? Stupid parents.

 

[PlatinumGold]

<< Good point here. The parents made what they believe to be an informed opinion to be vegans, and forgo the eating of meat products. The baby, however, is obviously not able to make such a choice, and the parents forced their beliefs upon the child, to its detriment. These parents, in addition to going to jail for the maximum term, both need to be whacked in the side of the head with a 2x4. >>



good point, question tho, We chose to give our children soy based formula's as opposed to cows milk formulas. others chose to give their children cow's milk formulas, isn't this also a choice that parents are making for their children? truth is Cow's milk isn't all that good for you, i'm not going to argue that it's bad for you, but really, it isn't that good for you either.

 

[OutHouse]

EMS workers rushed Ice to from her Queens home to Long Island Jewish Hospital, where doctors diagnosed her with developmental problems, a distended abdomen, fractured bones, a vitamin deficiency called rickets and a lung disorder ? all caused by malnutrition, authorities said.


They tortured the poor kid. At what point would the parents notice that their child was sick, when she died?? Fricken morons!! they should be steralized and not allowed to have anymore kids.

 

[308nato]

These sh!tbags should be fried. They were obviously not taking the child to a pediatrician AT ALL or they would have been turned in for child abuse immediately. They knew the baby was ill and chose to hide that fact from anyone because they were afraid of the consequences and whatever else their sick minds could use for rationalization.

As a father of 3, I can assure you that when a child is ill you know it. They don't come with a manual to refer to but it is pretty obvious even to the newest of parents. A child is going to be afflicted for life with problems stemming from parents who chose a path based on their "lifestyle" choices.

I hope they get the same treatment in the crossbar hotel that is afforded any abuser of children.

 

[joohang]

That is so sick and cruel. :|

 

[SagaLore]

<< Oh god, what unbelievably stupid people. Denying a baby breast milk or formula? What the f*ck is that all about? I mean, it's technically a dairy product, but that's what those glands were for the last I checked.

This is an extreme example of why a vegan diet doesn't work for most people. They're all fired up about being kind to animals and know next to nothing about nutrition. It can be done (for an adult that is...a newborn is a whole different ball of wax), but you have to really be cogniscent of what you're eating to make sure you don't end up with deficiencies.

Sheesh.


Fausto >>



I understand why a vegan might not want cow's milk, since cow's are forced to give their milk...

but do you force a calf to not drink her mother's milk, because it's not fair to the mother? sheesh...

 

[Stratum9]

I agree with everything that's already been said here.

But they are guilty of being cruel to that child in more ways than just the vegan diet -- who fvck names their kid Ice!

 

[Pacfanweb]

<<Warren Silverman, a lawyer representing the mother, questioned why there was such a long delay to file charges. >>

Some people have no shame. I understand that people have a right to a fair trial, but how do some lawyers live with themselves after representing some of the complete idiots they have as clients.
What would make a lawyer want to even take this case?



Those people should NEVER see that baby again, and should both be sterilized.

 

[Jzero]

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<< I think these people are way beyond "liberal tree hugging PETA types". Most Vegans would not endorse this type of lunacy. It makes no sense. I don't think anyone could make mileage even with "liberals" by promoting how they deliberately starved thier kids. >>

You are correct, sir.

And WTF is a "level 5" vegan? Does that really exist outside of the Simpsons? Does anyone know a good vegan site with some info? >>


No, it's just a joke from the Simpsons
www.vegan.org probably has some good insight.