Paramedic’s Angry Post About "Burger Flippers" Making $15/hr Goes Viral

[Nograts]

The 7-11 near my house sells sandwiches for 5.99. Turkey, ham, egg salad. On regular white bread. They also sell salads for 4.99 and we're talking a crap ton of iceberg, a few slices of ham, and 1/2 Tbs of ranch dressing.

I always thought that was outrageous but they've been selling them at those prices for years, so somebody must be buying them.

Even if a big mac meal jumps to 10$ people will still pay for it. Especially in New York.

 

[davmat787]

Well, then I guess you just suck at communicating😉
Most people post to make a point, not you though, you just like telling us a story for no reason at all and anyone that takes your post to mean anything other than just you posting to make yourself heard, well they are just insane!

Since you've got no point to make, see ya!

You're such a little bitch. You've put words in my mouth in three separate posts in less than 24 hours you foaming at the mouth imbecile.

My original point was in response to your comment suggesting higher pay is needed to attract better talent. You made this comment when someone was talking about how often fast food orders are screwed up.

My reply was that basic competency of fast food workers should be a given at current minimum wages. Any teenager on their first job should be able to competently perform duties of a fast food restaurant position. It's an entry level job for those new to the workforce.

You flew off the handle putting words in my mouth and made belittling comments.

My mistake was continuing to try and converse with you in an attempt to get you to understand my point. Your reading comprehension skills are terrible or you're intentionally misconstruing posts so you can make derisive replies. You're posting history is almost entirely smart ass replies void of on topic remarks.

You're posting history adds up to you being nothing but a partisan hack bitch and evidence of tremendous insecurity due to your transparent attempts of trying to lift yourself up by putting others down. You're not fooling anyone, you've been called out by many members for this.

 

[Chiropteran]

Minimum wage needs to get a lot higher to justify the switch to robots.

 

[ivwshane]

Ahahhaaa!

We know what your point was and it's wrong. Here's a clue for you dumbass, when your response to a question involves the words "should", you've already lost the debate. Your wishful thinking is just that but apparently you are too stupid and full of pride to see your error.

I thoroughly enjoyed your projecting though and it's funny watching you fall off your high horse doing the very things you are accusing me of😉

Careful sport, I wouldn't want you to have a heart attack!

You're such a little bitch. You've put words in my mouth in three separate posts in less than 24 hours you foaming at the mouth imbecile.

My original point was in response to your comment suggesting higher pay is needed to attract better talent. You made this comment when someone was talking about how often fast food orders are screwed up.

My reply was that basic competency of fast food workers should be a given at current minimum wages. Any teenager on their first job should be able to competently perform duties of a fast food restaurant position. It's an entry level job for those new to the workforce.

You flew off the handle putting words in my mouth and made belittling comments.

My mistake was continuing to try and converse with you in an attempt to get you to understand my point. Your reading comprehension skills are terrible or you're intentionally misconstruing posts so you can make derisive replies. You're posting history is almost entirely smart ass replies void of on topic remarks.

You're posting history adds up to you being nothing but a partisan hack bitch and evidence of tremendous insecurity due to your transparent attempts of trying to lift yourself up by putting others down. You're not fooling anyone, you've been called out by many members for this.

 

[davmat787]

Ahahhaaa!

We know what your point was and it's wrong. Here's a clue for you dumbass, when your response to a question involves the words "should", you've already lost the debate. Your wishful thinking is just that but apparently you are too stupid and full of pride to see your error.

I thoroughly enjoyed your projecting though and it's funny watching you fall off your high horse doing the very things you are accusing me of😉

Careful sport, I wouldn't want you to have a heart attack!

You've offered nothing to disprove my point, and instead posted a bunch of self congratulatory bullshit and called yourself the winner in a difference of opinions.

You continue to post proof of your extreme social ineptitude and just what a little bitch you are however.

It takes a really special kind of asshole to get me to lower myself to posting insults, I'm not proud of it but you should be.

You have the last word unless you want to take this to PM, we've derailed the thread enough and you're never interested in honest discourse anyway.

Bonus points if you include why current minimum wage isn't enough to hire labor with enough skill to competently perform a position at a fast food restaurant.

 

[glenn1]

I also think that we have too many people living today. We need a major disease or war that wipes out 30% of the Western population. People aren't dying quickly, and this is putting a huge strain on our resources, including employment.

Why can't we just have the prole revolution that the left constantly assures us is coming? I for one would welcome it.

 

[cabri]

Minimum wage needs to get a lot higher to justify the switch to robots.

Fryers are being automated at McDonalds. Potatoes are dumped, cooked, drained, batched.
Drink dispensers are also being automated/queued at drive thrus

Less people needed

 

[soundforbjt]

Fryers are being automated at McDonalds. Potatoes are dumped, cooked, drained, batched.
Drink dispensers are also being automated/queued at drive thrus

Less people needed

Until you get someone like me that asks for very little ice in my drink, what will the "robot" do then?

 

[davmat787]

Until you get someone like me that asks for very little ice in my drink, what will the "robot" do then?

It will put very little ice in your cup when the very little ice button is pressed or when told to do so by the POS system. It's a few more lines of code to its firmware, no big deal.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh you've really lowered yourself and it's all my fault! I guess that makes you my bitch😉

Here bitch, read this (feel free to ignore the commentary and click on the citations):

Business 101

http://www.newsweek.com/ten-reasons-workers-should-be-paid-more-300212

But by all means, continue "lowering" yourself, I enjoy the spectacle!

You've offered nothing to disprove my point, and instead posted a bunch of self congratulatory bullshit and called yourself the winner in a difference of opinions.

You continue to post proof of your extreme social ineptitude and just what a little bitch you are however.

It takes a really special kind of asshole to get me to lower myself to posting insults, I'm not proud of it but you should be.

You have the last word unless you want to take this to PM, we've derailed the thread enough and you're never interested in honest discourse anyway.

Bonus points if you include why current minimum wage isn't enough to hire labor with enough skill to competently perform a position at a fast food restaurant.

 

[soundforbjt]

It will put very little ice in your cup when the very little ice button is pressed or when told to do so by the POS system. It's a few more lines of code to its firmware, no big deal.

They haven't fixed it yet, for being so simple, you'd think it would be already done.

 

[ivwshane]

Automation will lead to people losing their jobs, always has always will. However automation has also lead to a shift in the economy and as old sectors die out/automate new sectors open up.

We don't hear much about the horse and buggy industry, I've never heard anyone cry about the jobs lost when freezers and refridgeration replaced icemen. The automation of the car industry hasn't killed America, nor did the automated switch board for telephones.

I'd imagine the programmers and creators of automation and robots will once too be an entry level job, hell! Kids are already making robots and programming them themselves!

 

[davmat787]

They haven't fixed it yet, for being so simple, you'd think it would be already done.

Poor design of the automated beverage system then. It would be simple to add three ice levels: Little, normal, and maximum and have each defined by the buyer and proportionate to cup size.

IWSHANE: PM sent to you

 

[glenn1]

They haven't fixed it yet, for being so simple, you'd think it would be already done.

You're confusing two unrelated things - that it's "simple" has little to do with whether a business does something. Since not doing it hasn't been enough of a concern to customers like you to stop going and buying soda, not "fixing" it is the proper solution.

 

[soundforbjt]

You're confusing two unrelated things - that it's "simple" has little to do with whether a business does something. Since not doing it hasn't been enough of a concern to customers like you to stop going and buying soda, not "fixing" it is the proper solution.

Once/ If ever it becomes fully automated, there will be lots of problems not foreseen by the companies.

 

[davmat787]

You're confusing two unrelated things - that it's "simple" has little to do with whether a business does something. Since not doing it hasn't been enough of a concern to customers like you to stop going and buying soda, not "fixing" it is the proper solution.

That's a really good point. The percentage of customers wanting custom amounts of ice are probably very low single digits, if not below 1% if I had to guess.

Given the nature of fast food restaurant economics the additional expense, while minimal, doesn't make sense. However beverages are the most profitable category for fast food restaurants, the cup and lid costs more than the syrup iirc.

I wasn't thinking about that, just the technical simplicity of adding the feature.

 

[soundforbjt]

That's a really good point. The percentage of customers wanting custom amounts of ice are probably very low single digits, if not below 1% if I had to guess.

Given the nature of fast food restaurant economics the additional expense, while minimal, doesn't make sense. However beverages are the most profitable category for fast food restaurants, the cup and lid costs more than the syrup iirc.

I wasn't thinking about that, just the technical simplicity of adding the feature.

I know quite a few people that go to McDonalds and actually wait for fresh fries so they can get them without salt added. Machine controlled fast food is going to be a tough sell once they are implemented in a big scale. They better figure in the possible loss of business in their models, they may end up losing more money then they think.

 

[CZroe]

They haven't fixed it yet, for being so simple, you'd think it would be already done.

Yes they have. For years now the automated machine at my local McD's has been getting it right more consistently than when I ask a person AND remind them at the pickup window.

When I ask for "light ice" they push a button and "Light Ice" shows up on the order confirmation screen and receipt. The machine dispenses significantly less ice in my drink. I get significantly less ice in my drink. I am happy.

 

[soundforbjt]

yes they have. For years now the automated machine at my local McD's has been getting it right more consistently than when I ask a person and have to remind them at the window.


When I ask for "light ice" they push a button and "Light Ice" shows up on the order confirmation screen and receipt. The machine dispenses significantly less ice in my drink. I get significantly less ice in my drink. I am happy.

Yours might be a test area, nothing like that in my area of approx 250K population.

 

[CZroe]

Yours might be a test area, nothing like that in my area of approx 250K population.

I've seen the conveyor belt machines all over the Atlanta Greater Metropolitan Area for about 5 years. There are still some locations without it but the vast majority of stand-alone locations here have them.

The main issue is that they aren't using them effectively. It doesn't tie into the orders automatically so they still have to punch it in. They usually don't input yours until you are at the window and they still often screw that part up (wrong drink).

Recently it seems that the machines are dispensing less drink when you ask for less or no ice, so it looks like they have another incentive to roll these out. The only other issue I've had was it sometimes dropping two cups instead of one.

It'll be even better when I can put in my own order with my smartphone or tablet. Jack-in-the-Box had some order/payment kiosks for doing that ~2010 when I was still living in San Diego, but that was clearly a test thing. Sonic Drive-In lets you pay at the menu in your parking space. Chipotle and Taco Bell encourage you to order and pay using apps now. It's clear that we were already starting to see a shift to automation of order taking, payment processing, and limited aspects of order filling.

 

[MongGrel]

Quick question; do you pay people more when you want a better quality employee or do you pay them less?

Sounds like they want to pay the same employee $15 an hour to me.

I rarely ever hit a McD's these days, I was just in the mood at the time, and they fudged it badly.

 

[rudder]

They haven't fixed it yet, for being so simple, you'd think it would be already done.

No, it is like the agriculture industry. Strawberry picking, for example, could have been automated by now... but the incentive was never there because migrant labor is so cheap.

I bet if migrant workers started earning $15/hour, International Harvester would begin selling a strawberry picking machine to farmers.

 

[BoberFett]

Once/ If ever it becomes fully automated, there will be lots of problems not foreseen by the companies.

Right, because the humans those robots would replace never cause problems.

 

[soundforbjt]

Right, because the humans those robots would replace never cause problems.

No they definitely create problems, not my point. Automated cashiers and other automation will just be a pain in the ass for the assistant mgrs and the other employees, and they won't be getting paid any extra for dealing with it. Customers create their own problems that machines or even humans have a near impossible task of dealing with.

 

[BoberFett]

No they definitely create problems, not my point. Automated cashiers and other automation will just be a pain in the ass for the assistant mgrs and the other employees, and they won't be getting paid any extra for dealing with it.

Robots don't fail to show up to work just because they didn't feel like it. Doesn't work? You can replace it without getting sued.

I'm not sure how you can possibly believe that technology causes more problems than the workers it displaces. Are you typing these responses into your computer yourself, or are you speaking them to a typist who then mails the hard copy to an a computer operator? Because, you know, computers and the internet are a pain in the ass and don't work 100% of the time.