Paradox Theory

[LordMagnusKain]

Supposition: time travel is possible.

Given Situation: you go back in time to kill your grandfather

answer 1: you go back, kill him, and he dies, you proceed forward in a parallel time-line that's different than the one you came from.

answer 2: you go back, try to kill him, but no matter what our do the laws of the universe keep you from doing this.

my answer: you go back, kill him, you instantly cease to exist, world is replaced with a time line ware he died of whatever means you killed him by, but without you doing it.


your thoughts?

 

[ajpa123]

I agree with your answer. Im not educated on the matter though.

Most probably, there would be some 'force' that would not allow physical contact with someone that your DNA came from. In that case, answer 2 would work.

This thread should be a good one

 

[MrAwesome]

Didn't Van Dam do this in one of his movies? In his case, it resulted in a dead movie career.

 

[ajpa123]

Originally posted by: MrAwesome
Didn't Van Dam do this in one of his movies? In his case, it resulted in a dead movie career.

TimeCop was decent actually.
I mean it did suck.. but not totally suck.

 

[falias]

Interesting, I actually have to turn in a physics time travel story/comic for my physics class on monday and was going to start a thread for suggestions. I've thought about the one you stated before but its too overdone, I need a good time travel paradox to write about....I also need a a good way to time travel using theories that exist in physics like blackholes. Anyone have any suggestions for a paradox or time travel method?

 

[JoeKing]

a third option is that when you kill him he ceases to be your grandfather, and someone else will take his place.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: falias
Interesting, I actually have to turn in a physics time travel story/comic for my physics class on monday and was going to start a thread for suggestions. I've thought about the one you stated before but its too overdone, I need a good time travel paradox to write about....I also need a a good way to time travel using theories that exist in physics like blackholes. Anyone have any suggestions for a paradox or time travel method?

Self-orbiting mini-black holes that create a worm-hole for your time-travel.*that's how you do it*

Use something small, have him go back to the 20s to deposit funds in a bank offering interest so he can be rich when he gets back, only to find out that it keeps bank-of-America from running out of funds during the run, thus no great depression, thus no world-war-2, thus the cold war is Nazis America and Russia w/ the Nazis winning, or Nazis loosing in ww2 to the Russians and Russia winning the cold-war making America communist.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
a third option is that when you kill him he ceases to be your grandfather, and someone else will take his place.

so that will change your history and genetics and bring you to a world whare, for whatever reason, you killed this man?

 

[Indolent]

my thoughts are your supposition creates the paradox... there is no right answer.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Joeyman
a third option is that when you kill him he ceases to be your grandfather, and someone else will take his place.

so that will change your history and genetics and bring you to a world whare, for whatever reason, you killed this man?

yup, but I was thinking that only your genes would change. But say you go back and every family picture of your grandpa is of a diffrent guy

 

[falias]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: falias
Interesting, I actually have to turn in a physics time travel story/comic for my physics class on monday and was going to start a thread for suggestions. I've thought about the one you stated before but its too overdone, I need a good time travel paradox to write about....I also need a a good way to time travel using theories that exist in physics like blackholes. Anyone have any suggestions for a paradox or time travel method?

Self-orbiting mini-black holes that create a worm-hole for your time-travel.*that's how you do it*

Use something small, have him go back to the 20s to deposit funds in a bank offering interest so he can be rich when he gets back, only to find out that it keeps bank-of-America from running out of funds during the run, thus no great depression, thus no world-war-2, thus the cold war is Nazis America and Russia w/ the Nazis winning, or Nazis loosing in ww2 to the Russians and Russia winning the cold-war making America communist.

Nice, I can get him to buy some 20s bills off ebay so it makes more sense, by the way do you mean Bank of America (was it established back then?!?!) or a federal bank.

 

[Kev]

if time travel really exists, then everything that happened as a result of future people's traveling back in time has already occured in our past and can not and will not be changed. not sure if that makes sense but im drunk and im gonna go pass out now

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: falias
Interesting, I actually have to turn in a physics time travel story/comic for my physics class on monday and was going to start a thread for suggestions. I've thought about the one you stated before but its too overdone, I need a good time travel paradox to write about....I also need a a good way to time travel using theories that exist in physics like blackholes. Anyone have any suggestions for a paradox or time travel method?

Self-orbiting mini-black holes that create a worm-hole for your time-travel.*that's how you do it*

Use something small, have him go back to the 20s to deposit funds in a bank offering interest so he can be rich when he gets back, only to find out that it keeps bank-of-America from running out of funds during the run, thus no great depression, thus no world-war-2, thus the cold war is Nazis America and Russia w/ the Nazis winning, or Nazis loosing in ww2 to the Russians and Russia winning the cold-war making America communist.

The Nazis would never have taken power without the depression. Prior to the depression they were regarded as beer-chugging lunatics and were lucky to get 12 seats in the Reichstag. After the depression hit they were able to get 35% of the seats. So basically don't talk about the Nazis taking over Europe or America or even the Nazis and World War II. The war with Japan would probably have still happened, along with a possible war between Europe and the USSR, though.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: falias

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: falias
Interesting, I actually have to turn in a physics time travel story/comic for my physics class on monday and was going to start a thread for suggestions. I've thought about the one you stated before but its too overdone, I need a good time travel paradox to write about....I also need a a good way to time travel using theories that exist in physics like blackholes. Anyone have any suggestions for a paradox or time travel method?

Self-orbiting mini-black holes that create a worm-hole for your time-travel.*that's how you do it*

Use something small, have him go back to the 20s to deposit funds in a bank offering interest so he can be rich when he gets back, only to find out that it keeps bank-of-America from running out of funds during the run, thus no great depression, thus no world-war-2, thus the cold war is Nazis America and Russia w/ the Nazis winning, or Nazis loosing in ww2 to the Russians and Russia winning the cold-war making America communist.

Nice, I can get him to buy some 20s bills off ebay so it makes more sense, by the way do you mean Bank of America (was it established back then?!?!) or a federal bank.

runs on 'bank of America' are credited for being one of the central catalysts for the American great depression;

you would, as TBB said, have to keep the world-wide depression.

if time travel really exists, then everything that happened as a result of future people's traveling back in time has already occured in our past and can not and will not be changed. not sure if that makes sense but im drunk and im gonna go pass out now

it would be better if you where stoned, i assure you.

and from our perspective, granted, from the time-travelers is the real question.

 

[JoeKing]

A fun thought I had a while back, if you really want to up the odds of timetraveling now, is you tatoo a specific date (say your 25th birthday or somthing) on your body and swear to yourself that should you ever be able to time travel you go back to the date you tattooed and give yourself the ability to time travel. If you really want you could convince your family to pass down along the generations to have some descendent travel back and give you the tech.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
A fun thought I had a while back, if you really want to up the odds of timetraveling now, is you tatoo a specific date (say your 25th birthday or somthing) on your body and swear to yourself that should you ever be able to time travel you go back to the date you tattooed and give yourself the ability to time travel. If you really want you could convince your family to pass down along the generations to have some descendent travel back and give you the tech.

that does presume that those with the ability to time-travel are willing to go lolly-gaging about time with it.

 

[JoeKing]

this is time travel were talking about (I think it's impossible) so you can presume a lot
the only type of time travel I think is possible is the effect of general realativaty at near light speed. But that's more like skipping forward in time.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
this is time travel were talking about (I think it's impossible) so you can presume a lot
the only type of time travel I think is possible is the effect of general realativaty at near light speed. But that's more like skipping forward in time.

i take it you don't belive that a worm-hole 1 exits, or 2 can out-put in a prior decay continuum.

 

[upsciLLion]

I dunno. Let's steal some plutonium from some Libyan terrorists and find out!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I dunno. Let's steal some plutonium from some Libyan terrorists and find out!

no can do, my car starts to fall apart at 55mph.

 

[MAME]

since time travel is impossible, it's impossible to tell what would happen

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Joeyman
this is time travel were talking about (I think it's impossible) so you can presume a lot
the only type of time travel I think is possible is the effect of general realativaty at near light speed. But that's more like skipping forward in time.

i take it you don't belive that a worm-hole 1 exits, or 2 can out-put in a prior decay continuum.

actually I do think wormholes exit in the form of quasars. But that this result is from an extreme warping in space time. Im not even sure the output would be instantaneous. Either that or the output is another diemension as hinted upon in string theory. Please elaborate on the prior decay continum.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

Explain how you can even approach the speed of light, let alone break the barrier

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Please elaborate on the prior decay continuum.

the idea is that a worm-hole can change the state of super-strings to change matter in a lesser state of decay in comparison to the current state of decay *time* that we are in.

it's predicated that time is nothing more than a measure of the decay of matter, but that when the laws of physics are suspended you can manipulate base-stuff of creation prior to it's decay to the current point.

I'm about 1% on it, but it makes for fun off-topic threads.