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May 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

Explain how you can even approach the speed of light, let alone break the barrier

time travle into the past is not predicated on faster than light travel, and partical physics tells us that tacions move faster than light.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

Explain how you can even approach the speed of light, let alone break the barrier

time travle into the past is not predicated on faster than light travel, and partical physics tells us that tacions move faster than light.

Too bad you're not made of 100% tacions then
 

upsciLLion

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If I walk 5 mph in the opposite direction that a photon is moving, I am relatively going c + 5 mph.
 
May 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

Explain how you can even approach the speed of light, let alone break the barrier

time travle into the past is not predicated on faster than light travel, and partical physics tells us that tacions move faster than light.

Too bad you're not made of 100% tacions then

teleportation of a single photon has occurred. extending small scientific abilitys into much larger ones isn't un-precedented.
 

DJFuji

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I always thought that the original hypothesis (that any tampering of the past creates a new branch as a parallel universe), made the most sense. Relatively speaking, that is. Thus, when you change something, no matter how minute, you immediately create a new parallel universe. Of course, that also means that there's not much use in sending someone back in time, as they can never change anything that would affect the people who sent him. Assuming they could get back to their original universe, though, they could at least observe and bring back valuable information...

And i always thought it was black holes that were the entrance to worm holes...Because the intense gravitational pull was enough to create a rip in the fabric of space-time-- kinda like how it was described in that one movie...event horizon, i think. Where the scientist explained it by showing spacetime as a sheet of paper, and then folder the paper in half so that two points on the plane touched. "the shortest path between two points is NOT a straight line."
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

Explain how you can even approach the speed of light, let alone break the barrier

time travle into the past is not predicated on faster than light travel, and partical physics tells us that tacions move faster than light.

Too bad you're not made of 100% tacions then

teleportation of a single photon has occurred. extending small scientific abilitys into much larger ones isn't un-precedented.

Oh really? And how the hell do you reassemble everything without killing the thing you're transporting?
 

DJFuji

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Originally posted by: cipcipcip
THE NEWEST METHOD OF MAKEING MONEY ON INTERNET!!! BE SMART AND USE IT NOW!!! IT?S REALLY REALLY WORKING!!! 125.000 $ IN ONLY 2-3 WEEKS!!! DEPENDS ON YOU!!! GO ON http://www.cipcipcip.go.ro/en.htm AND FIND OUT THE SECRET!!!


There is no joke! Belive-me! Depends on you if you really whant to read this page or not! I only say to you that 10 minutes of reading it will change you?re life... and wallet! It olnly depends on you! This is the newest metod to make money and you can see the prove here!!! You can make money very fast!!!! Belive me I have tried all possible methods! (and legal). This is the easyest and fastest way for you to earn money!!! You can make lots of money verry fast and legal! Its tested! All you have to do for the moment is to read this text to the end. A few days ago I was surfing the web, going nowere (problably just what are you doing now) when I?ve discoverd an article just like this where I?ve read that I can win hundreds and hundreds of dollars and euro in just a few weeks with an investment of just 60 $ (or ?). I said ?Yeah, right!? But WAIT to see what made me change my mind. If you whant to read to the end you will see... The article was saying that you just have to send 10 $ (or ?) at every 6 adresses that are in the article. Then you have to write you?re neme at the end of the list in position 6 and to republish the article on minimum 200 forums or discution lists on internet or send it by mail. Just like that!!! After I?ve analised this and talked with a few friend I?ve decided to try! 60 dollars (or euro) is a small price in comparatin with the wining. You will see. I will show you. I was sceptic in the first place and concerned about the legal aspect, but my uncle is a police officer and he told me this is perfectly legal.!!! So... I have done that small investment of 60 $ (or ?) and guess what has happend??? SURPRISE!!! In 7 days time I started to get money in my mailbox!!!! I was amazed!!! I though that it will probably stop soon but the money are still continuing to came to me!!! It is unbeliveble!!! In the first week I found 370 $! At the end of the secon week I had 1090 $! In the 3rd week i got.... 25.470!!! I swear! And the money are still coming more fast! It was certenly worth to spend 60 $ and 6 letters! (I have spent more plaing on lottery or bingo). Let me tell you how it works an specially why it works!!!! First of all I advice you to save this text on the local hard drive or print it... HOW IT WORKS!



STEP1: you take 6 papers and write on them ?I HAVE JOINED YOURE LIST?, so the man that gest the letter form you can take the adress on the letter and ad you to the lists that he is going to post on hundreds and hundresd of other froums!!! You put in every paper a 10 $ (or ?) and put then in a letter. (Be carefoul, so the money cannot be seend form outside the letter!) Now you have 6 letters, each with a paper and a 10 $ (or ?) ticket. Now you send the letters to the next adresses:

1) Costanzo Ferro 14 Viale Gorizia, 00198 Rome, Italy

2) Enrique Alfonso 18 Rue Laffitte, 75009 Paris, France

3) Andrew Robinson 821, United Nation Plaza, 6th Floor, New York, N.Y. 10017, USA

4) Reinaldo Arellano, Av. V. Mackenna 4860 Casilla 306, Correo 22, Santiago CHILE

5) CIPRIAN ALEXANDRU, STR. T. VLADIMIRESCU, NR. 28, BL. C4, AP. 39, City: CAMPINA, cod 2150, Jud: PRAHOVA, Country: Romania

6) Cintya Gonzales 295 Clyde Street, Granville South, N.S.W. 2142, Australia



STEP2: Now you cut from the adresses list no.1 and move the other 5 UP with a position an put YOUURE ADRESS on th 6 POSSITION!!! You have to understand that if you put youreself on other position you will recive less money because the multiplicaton factor is smaller. If you whant to recive more money you have to play correctly and send the letters so other users put you too on forums so youre adress will be on hundreds and hundreds of list and foums. Just sacrifice a day froum youre 30.000 days you have to live and get rich! 60 $ is a very small amount of money in comparation with what you will win!!!



STEP3: Change something on this article if you whant but try to keep it close to the original!!! Now publish the article with youre name on position 6 on as many forums and news grups all arround the world!!! There are many! 200 publications is requested but more publications, more money for you!!! I suggest to write an attractive subject so hundreds of people will read it!!!! READY! It shouldn?t take you more than 30 second for ever newsgroup. Remeber! More publications, more money!!! Depends on you! You have to publish at last 200 times!!!

Let?s make a small mathematic game! You will start to get money on your mailbox in a few days!!! Why? Well... from the 200 publications I made, let say you gen 7 answer (a verry small number, if you think that hundreds and hundres of people visti those forums everyday!) So you win 70 $ with youre name on the 6 position. Now, everey 7 persons that sned you money will publish their articles on other 200 each forums with youre neme on the 5 position and the get 70$ each, but you will get 7*7*700=3430 $ !!!!!!!! (at last!) Continuing this with my very very small example of 7 persons you win 24.010 $ with youre neme on the 4 position!!! ... 168.070 $ on the 3 rd position!!!!! 1.176.490 $ on the 2nd positon........ and... you cand just imagine!!!!!! You are to smart not to try this!!! And all that with just a small investment of 60 $. This is a new game!!! Play it and get rich. Just a genius could invent this!!! Some people said that people can get bored and not to read the articles, but think that 150 000 new people are joing internet every day!!!

PLAY ONEST AND YOU?RE ADRESS FOR MONEY WILL BE ON HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FOUMS!!!!! AND THE MONEY WILL COME TO YOU!!!

This game is based on a very old rulle of the market.... that every body sould know... The multiplication factor!!! Do you think that the big malls get rich because you buy a Coke! NO! HUNDRED OF PEOPLE DO THIS..... TRY! Is the BEST thing you have done!!!

I REALLY, REALLY hope this is a joke...
 

MillionaireNextDoor

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Ignore him. As for the topic,

I believe that everything that could be done to the past has already happened. The past is already written. Therefore, although we may be able to travel back in time, all of the changes we will make to the past, in the future, has already happened. And if you try to change something in the past, you'll find out that the present reflects the changes you will make to the past in the future.

Anyway, this is my theory.

-MiND
 

Jittles

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Apr 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
If I walk 5 mph in the opposite direction that a photon is moving, I am relatively going c + 5 mph.

Actually you're not, your motion is governed by Special Relativity now. Time will slow down relative to the photon you are talking about, and distance will shrink.

I forget the equations now. Something like t0/sqrt(1-V^2/C^2)
 

JoeKing

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
Originally posted by: cipcipcip
THE NEWEST METHOD OF MAKEING MONEY ON INTERNET!!! BE SMART AND USE IT NOW!!! IT?S REALLY REALLY WORKING!!! 125.000 $ IN ONLY 2-3 WEEKS!!! DEPENDS ON YOU!!! GO ON http://www.cipcipcip.go.ro/en.htm AND FIND OUT THE SECRET!!!


There is no joke! Belive-me! Depends on you if you really whant to read this page or not! I only say to you that 10 minutes of reading it will change you?re life... and wallet! It olnly depends on you! This is the newest metod to make money and you can see the prove here!!! You can make money very fast!!!! Belive me I have tried all possible methods! (and legal). This is the easyest and fastest way for you to earn money!!! You can make lots of money verry fast and legal! Its tested! All you have to do for the moment is to read this text to the end. A few days ago I was surfing the web, going nowere (problably just what are you doing now) when I?ve discoverd an article just like this where I?ve read that I can win hundreds and hundreds of dollars and euro in just a few weeks with an investment of just 60 $ (or ?). I said ?Yeah, right!? But WAIT to see what made me change my mind. If you whant to read to the end you will see... The article was saying that you just have to send 10 $ (or ?) at every 6 adresses that are in the article. Then you have to write you?re neme at the end of the list in position 6 and to republish the article on minimum 200 forums or discution lists on internet or send it by mail. Just like that!!! After I?ve analised this and talked with a few friend I?ve decided to try! 60 dollars (or euro) is a small price in comparatin with the wining. You will see. I will show you. I was sceptic in the first place and concerned about the legal aspect, but my uncle is a police officer and he told me this is perfectly legal.!!! So... I have done that small investment of 60 $ (or ?) and guess what has happend??? SURPRISE!!! In 7 days time I started to get money in my mailbox!!!! I was amazed!!! I though that it will probably stop soon but the money are still continuing to came to me!!! It is unbeliveble!!! In the first week I found 370 $! At the end of the secon week I had 1090 $! In the 3rd week i got.... 25.470!!! I swear! And the money are still coming more fast! It was certenly worth to spend 60 $ and 6 letters! (I have spent more plaing on lottery or bingo). Let me tell you how it works an specially why it works!!!! First of all I advice you to save this text on the local hard drive or print it... HOW IT WORKS!



STEP1: you take 6 papers and write on them ?I HAVE JOINED YOURE LIST?, so the man that gest the letter form you can take the adress on the letter and ad you to the lists that he is going to post on hundreds and hundresd of other froums!!! You put in every paper a 10 $ (or ?) and put then in a letter. (Be carefoul, so the money cannot be seend form outside the letter!) Now you have 6 letters, each with a paper and a 10 $ (or ?) ticket. Now you send the letters to the next adresses:

1) Costanzo Ferro 14 Viale Gorizia, 00198 Rome, Italy

2) Enrique Alfonso 18 Rue Laffitte, 75009 Paris, France

3) Andrew Robinson 821, United Nation Plaza, 6th Floor, New York, N.Y. 10017, USA

4) Reinaldo Arellano, Av. V. Mackenna 4860 Casilla 306, Correo 22, Santiago CHILE

5) CIPRIAN ALEXANDRU, STR. T. VLADIMIRESCU, NR. 28, BL. C4, AP. 39, City: CAMPINA, cod 2150, Jud: PRAHOVA, Country: Romania

6) Cintya Gonzales 295 Clyde Street, Granville South, N.S.W. 2142, Australia



STEP2: Now you cut from the adresses list no.1 and move the other 5 UP with a position an put YOUURE ADRESS on th 6 POSSITION!!! You have to understand that if you put youreself on other position you will recive less money because the multiplicaton factor is smaller. If you whant to recive more money you have to play correctly and send the letters so other users put you too on forums so youre adress will be on hundreds and hundreds of list and foums. Just sacrifice a day froum youre 30.000 days you have to live and get rich! 60 $ is a very small amount of money in comparation with what you will win!!!



STEP3: Change something on this article if you whant but try to keep it close to the original!!! Now publish the article with youre name on position 6 on as many forums and news grups all arround the world!!! There are many! 200 publications is requested but more publications, more money for you!!! I suggest to write an attractive subject so hundreds of people will read it!!!! READY! It shouldn?t take you more than 30 second for ever newsgroup. Remeber! More publications, more money!!! Depends on you! You have to publish at last 200 times!!!

Let?s make a small mathematic game! You will start to get money on your mailbox in a few days!!! Why? Well... from the 200 publications I made, let say you gen 7 answer (a verry small number, if you think that hundreds and hundres of people visti those forums everyday!) So you win 70 $ with youre name on the 6 position. Now, everey 7 persons that sned you money will publish their articles on other 200 each forums with youre neme on the 5 position and the get 70$ each, but you will get 7*7*700=3430 $ !!!!!!!! (at last!) Continuing this with my very very small example of 7 persons you win 24.010 $ with youre neme on the 4 position!!! ... 168.070 $ on the 3 rd position!!!!! 1.176.490 $ on the 2nd positon........ and... you cand just imagine!!!!!! You are to smart not to try this!!! And all that with just a small investment of 60 $. This is a new game!!! Play it and get rich. Just a genius could invent this!!! Some people said that people can get bored and not to read the articles, but think that 150 000 new people are joing internet every day!!!

PLAY ONEST AND YOU?RE ADRESS FOR MONEY WILL BE ON HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FOUMS!!!!! AND THE MONEY WILL COME TO YOU!!!

This game is based on a very old rulle of the market.... that every body sould know... The multiplication factor!!! Do you think that the big malls get rich because you buy a Coke! NO! HUNDRED OF PEOPLE DO THIS..... TRY! Is the BEST thing you have done!!!

I REALLY, REALLY hope this is a joke...

bahahahaha time to send out six $1 bills wiped heavily against dog crap



oh yeah back on topic in....off topic?... another possiblity is the universe couldn't handle it and simply ceases to exists.
 
May 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Supposition: time travel is possible.

unless you have proof that time-travel is impossible.

Explain how you can even approach the speed of light, let alone break the barrier

time travle into the past is not predicated on faster than light travel, and partical physics tells us that tacions move faster than light.

Too bad you're not made of 100% tacions then

teleportation of a single photon has occurred. extending small scientific abilitys into much larger ones isn't un-precedented.

Oh really? And how the hell do you reassemble everything without killing the thing you're transporting?

who knows, but you can't say it's provably impossible. now get with the thought experiment :)
 
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oh yeah back on topic in....off topic?... another possiblity is the universe couldn't handle it and simply ceases to exists.
that's a good one, paradox of universal self destruction.. and if you think about it, any ability to change the past would do just that, then create a new one in it's place.
 

zener

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Here is a book that I can suggest for possible ideas.
Aha! Gotcha:paradoxes to puzzle and delight by Martin Gardner
Hope this helps.
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: Kev
if time travel really exists, then everything that happened as a result of future people's traveling back in time has already occured in our past and can not and will not be changed. not sure if that makes sense but im drunk and im gonna go pass out now

lol....
 
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believe that everything that could be done to the past has already happened. The past is already written. Therefore, although we may be able to travel back in time, all of the changes we will make to the past, in the future, has already happened. And if you try to change something in the past, you'll find out that the present reflects the changes you will make to the past in the future.
but how is the perspective of the time-traveler affected.
 

notfred

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"Oh a lesson in not changing history from Mr I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!"

That's all I have to add to this.
 

ReiAyanami

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from the Futurama prediction, after you kill your grandpa, you'll make out with your grandma to ensure you'll continue to exist.

so the moral is if you don't want to do your grandma, don't ice your grandpa.