Pandemic Flu Thread:3-11-07 Bird Flu deaths increasing

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Well, hell, you believe in terrorism so much, it's the cornerstone for any reasoning behind everything you believe.

An ounce of precaution is worth a pound of cure, unless it's something you can't shoot.

So am I to infer from your statements that you deny the very existence of terrorism? And/or that it is a threat?

How many people in the last decaded have died from terrorism. Now find out how many people have died from the flu.

QFT

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Well, hell, you believe in terrorism so much, it's the cornerstone for any reasoning behind everything you believe.

An ounce of precaution is worth a pound of cure, unless it's something you can't shoot.

So am I to infer from your statements that you deny the very existence of terrorism? And/or that it is a threat?

How many people in the last decaded have died from terrorism. Now find out how many people have died from the flu.

Pabster, if you look in your hat, will find your ass handed to you courtesy of smack Down.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: smack Down
How many people in the last decaded have died from terrorism. Now find out how many people have died from the flu.

Well if you want to get down to the figures here in the U.S. obviously the latter would be higher. But when we're talking about terrorism worldwide your point is moot. Think Hezbollah for example.

My point stands. We have a better chance of being hit by a major terrorist attack than a widespread circa-1918 era flu pandemic wiping out 2 million Americans. You can choose to deny that all you want.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Pabster, if you look in your hat, will find your ass handed to you courtesy of smack Down.

Chee, it's my favorite troll riding in (pun intended) once again.

My ass is still firmly intact.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
No, but the poo-pooing of one threat versus another is the height of hypocrisy.

No, it isn't. There is a vaccine that can be made for Flu. Including these Bird Flus. But there isn't a vaccine to prevent a group of terrorists from blowing up a subway station, now is there?

Take your head out of your ass.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
No, but the poo-pooing of one threat versus another is the height of hypocrisy.

No, it isn't. There is a vaccine that can be made for Flu. Including these Bird Flus. But there isn't a vaccine to prevent a group of terrorists from blowing up a subway station, now is there?

Take your head out of your ass.

Oh really? Can I go to the store and get one right now?

Oh, btw, you do know that 30,000 per year in the U.S. die from the normal brand of the flu, don't you?

We DO have a vaccine for that too, y'know? Many of those folks that died from the flu actually had a vaccine given to them too.

So, your head in is YOUR ass. Just quit while you have a shred of credi... no, wait a minute, you never had any.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
No, but the poo-pooing of one threat versus another is the height of hypocrisy.

No, it isn't. There is a vaccine that can be made for Flu. Including these Bird Flus. But there isn't a vaccine to prevent a group of terrorists from blowing up a subway station, now is there?

Take your head out of your ass.

Honestly you would think you would know by now that if I zero in on you I would be prepared.

Flu kills 250,000 to 500,000 a year.

CDC studies peg US deaths around 36K. Although I don't see Dave's point about the prioritizing of resources, flu is a far more dangerous demonstrated threat than Hezbollah or any other terrorist organization.

PS
Don't sit down.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
No, but the poo-pooing of one threat versus another is the height of hypocrisy.

No, it isn't. There is a vaccine that can be made for Flu. Including these Bird Flus. But there isn't a vaccine to prevent a group of terrorists from blowing up a subway station, now is there?

Take your head out of your ass.

Honestly you would think you would know by now that if I zero in on you I would be prepared.

Flu kills 250,000 to 500,000 a year.

CDC studies peg US deaths around 36K. Although I don't see Dave's point about the prioritizing of resources, flu is a far more dangerous demonstrated threat than Hezbollah or any other terrorist organization.

PS
Don't sit down.

I'd just like to point out as a healthcare professional that you are right flu is deadly even when the vaccine is given, many patients(especially the elderly and very young) cannot fight off the infection and/or dont receive adequate treatment for the virus, then again with a virus you can treat the symptoms but not really the virus itself, antivirals only work to an extent.

And I'd like to point out even with rushed research it would take approximately 12-24 months to have a working effective vaccine for this bird flu, first in line would be armed forces and hospital workers and health care professionals, and while it is a bit of a scare tactic being employed right now, if the virus happened to become easily transmissible between humans it would be amazingly deadly since no one has any real immunity to the virus....but thankfully for now that hasnt happened

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I see the right-wing whores are out in force poo-pooing one brand of "scare", yet at the same time prostituting another (terrorism). The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Yeah, of course. I mean, I have a better chance of catching this terrible bird flu than a terrorist blowing up a subway... </sarcasm>

Are you seriuos? The fact that the administration is preparing emergency plans means this is very real. Do you live in NYC, LA, or DC? If you do, the chances of you being killed by a terrorist are very very close to zero. THe possibility of this virus reaching you are somewhat higher than that, given that this sort of virus has killed millions of people in the past.

This is kind of hilarious ... you're so scared of terrorism that you are completely oblivious to a very real and dangerous threat. I'm a pretty big critic of this administration, but it's good to see them taking action to prepare the country.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
How many people in the last decaded have died from terrorism. Now find out how many people have died from the flu.

Well if you want to get down to the figures here in the U.S. obviously the latter would be higher. But when we're talking about terrorism worldwide your point is moot. Think Hezbollah for example.

My point stands. We have a better chance of being hit by a major terrorist attack than a widespread circa-1918 era flu pandemic wiping out 2 million Americans. You can choose to deny that all you want.

You are pretty naive if you think all terrorism in the past 10 years has come close to the flu deaths in the past winter. I believe flu kills 150k in the US a year, and millions worldwide. Terrorism doesn't even come close.

Edit: My numbers about flu deaths are wrong, but you get the idea (or do you?). Terrorism is a threat, yes, but only to those living in major cities, and the threat is often overblown. Look at the most successful terrorist attacks in the modern era, 9/11 = 3k, Madrid = 200, Lebanese Barracks bombing = 250 or so. None of these even come close to the potentional 2 million US dead (not even the 36k a year who die from the flu).

I guess facts never get in the way of ignorance.

 

[tommywishbone]

I'll go on the record and say, in the USA, the bird flu will kill fewer people than the killer bee invasion; I think that's about 4. The bird flu? You've got to be kidding. Now excuse me while I go back to my petri dish of yersinia pestis.

 

[EatSpam]

I'm not scared of some fvcking bird flu. This is as bad as the rednecks who have nightmares about Osama and Saddam flying a 747 into their church.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'm not scared of some fvcking bird flu. This is as bad as the rednecks who have nightmares about Osama and Saddam flying a 747 into they're church.

I am a little bit more concerned about this than a terrorist attack ... even though i'm in a relatively big city (Philadelphia). Pandemics have decimated populations in the past, and we're stupid if we think that just because we have cell phones and computers, we are invulnerable to viral infection.

I hope this doesn't end up mutating, but I am glad the administration is playing the, "safer rather than sorry" approach. The fact that many other nations are just as concerned (if not more so) gives it a bit more credibility. Btw, this is a lot more deadly than SARS.

On another note, I am generally against fearmongering, but the potential for damage from this is too large to ignore.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
We DO have a vaccine for that too, y'know? Many of those folks that died from the flu actually had a vaccine given to them too.

And what is the percentage rate of vaccinated individuals acquiring the virus, either from the vaccination or otherwise? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess far less than 100%. Get the point yet?

It's pretty laughable to watch the old circle try to demean the very real threat that terrorists pose to Americans and our interests all over the world, while bemoaning a flu that hasn't even arrived (and may not -- at least these particular strains).

Talk about naive.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
You are pretty naive if you think all terrorism in the past 10 years has come close to the flu deaths in the past winter. I believe flu kills 150k in the US a year, and millions worldwide. Terrorism doesn't even come close.

You do realize that deaths from terrorism aren't nearly as easy to categorize and collect statistics on as flu infections and deaths? Well, maybe you don't...

Edit: My numbers about flu deaths are wrong, but you get the idea (or do you?). Terrorism is a threat, yes, but only to those living in major cities, and the threat is often overblown. Look at the most successful terrorist attacks in the modern era, 9/11 = 3k, Madrid = 200, Lebanese Barracks bombing = 250 or so. None of these even come close to the potentional 2 million US dead (not even the 36k a year who die from the flu).

Terrorism is "overblown", is it? I'll keep that post in reference should you (or your fellow citizens) fall victim. I suspect you'd have a slightly different tone.

As usual, it doesn't matter and you don't care because it doesn't affect you.

I guess facts never get in the way of ignorance.

Ignorance often trumps fact; The circle here is a prime example of this.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: NJDevil
You are pretty naive if you think all terrorism in the past 10 years has come close to the flu deaths in the past winter. I believe flu kills 150k in the US a year, and millions worldwide. Terrorism doesn't even come close.

You do realize that deaths from terrorism aren't nearly as easy to categorize and collect statistics on as flu infections and deaths? Well, maybe you don't...

Edit: My numbers about flu deaths are wrong, but you get the idea (or do you?). Terrorism is a threat, yes, but only to those living in major cities, and the threat is often overblown. Look at the most successful terrorist attacks in the modern era, 9/11 = 3k, Madrid = 200, Lebanese Barracks bombing = 250 or so. None of these even come close to the potentional 2 million US dead (not even the 36k a year who die from the flu).

Terrorism is "overblown", is it? I'll keep that post in reference should you (or your fellow citizens) fall victim. I suspect you'd have a slightly different tone.

As usual, it doesn't matter and you don't care because it doesn't affect you.

I guess facts never get in the way of ignorance.

Ignorance often trumps fact; The circle here is a prime example of this.

I dont think we can ignore either threat and if you knew anything about infections, especially viral ones I think you'd be a little more concerned, sure it's not a threat right now but if it mutates into a easily transmissible form you better hope to heaven above that your immune system is up to par

 

[imported_Condor]

Didn't we go through all of this last year with the same liberal voices telling us how many millions would die from the flu because our President wasn't prepared? How many actually even contacted the flu? Liberals, a reality based on Saturday morning cartoons!

 

[thaugen]

For those of you who are considering whether to take the flu threat seriously, the best resource I have found, with info and links is:
http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/NewDirections/Pandemic.htm

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Condor
Didn't we go through all of this last year with the same liberal voices telling us how many millions would die from the flu because our President wasn't prepared? How many actually even contacted the flu? Liberals, a reality based on Saturday morning cartoons!

Not only that, the daily bashing of the Bush Admin for "failing to have enough vaccine to protect all Americans". Turned out much of it went to waste!

Ah well. When you grasp at straws...

 

[Moonbeam]

Pabster is that coward who will sell his freedom for security. He suffers from irrational fear from which there is only one cure which is the same as no cure for him. He'd have to experience the terror consciously to discover its origin in his past.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Pabster is that coward who will sell his freedom for security. He suffers from irrational fear from which there is only one cure which is the same as no cure for him. He'd have to experience the terror consciously to discover its origin in his past.

Interesting that an 'elite' member can come up with nothing other than personal attacks and insults. No facts, no evidence, no rebuttal.

Perhaps you would need to be the victim of a terrorist attack to appreciate the ever-increasing danger Americans (both here and abroad) face on a daily basis.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Pabster is that coward who will sell his freedom for security. He suffers from irrational fear from which there is only one cure which is the same as no cure for him. He'd have to experience the terror consciously to discover its origin in his past.

Interesting that an 'elite' member can come up with nothing other than personal attacks and insults. No facts, no evidence, no rebuttal.

Perhaps you would need to be the victim of a terrorist attack to appreciate the ever-increasing danger Americans (both here and abroad) face on a daily basis.

I'm shaking in my boots... oooohhh noes the terrrarrrists are gunna get me when I'm sittin' in Church, chewin' tobaccer and prayin' to jeeessus!

Seriously, I think I'm more likely to be killed/injured in a car crash/bar fight/toliet accident than a terror attack. If only we'd pull out of the Middle East and stop pissing off/on the Muslims, we might become less of a target.

 

[themroc27]

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: alchemize
The government really needs to start Tamiflu production/stockpiling. It's the only thing that will work against a "superflu" if the vaccine is missed.

Actually that would be Roche who needs to produce more. Too bad Pharmas are da 3vil which the righteous have sued incessantly to punish them from distrubuting their evil wares. Fortunately they have been largely successful driving vaccine manufacture out of this country and out of the marketplace. Pray that they do not waiver in their quest to vanquish Merck and their Vioxx devilry, nor do they stay their hand in undeserving mercy against all their other pharma allies. Do not let yourself be decieved by their claims of "healthcare" and "medicines." These are the lies of the evildoers to test your resolve. Brother Dave and Brother BBDoc has been strong and steadfast in his rejection of these demon goods. He will be the first to refuse to have his precious bodily fluids spoiled by their corruption. Let this be an example to us all.

manufacturing of flu vaccines has been driven out of the USA because:

1) manufacture of flu vaccines is not profitable, and
2) manufacture of flu vaccines is (now) not heavily subsidized by the US government

In Europe, Australia, etc., governments believe that certain things are TOO IMPORTANT to be left to free enterprise or the so-called 'free market', and hence manufacture of these vaccination materials is heavily subsidized by the public purse. Conservatives and other assorted nutbags in the USA have made "free markets" a fetish, to the point where they (apparently) would rather have millions die from lack of vaccination than actually spend public money on public health care.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: NJDevil
You are pretty naive if you think all terrorism in the past 10 years has come close to the flu deaths in the past winter. I believe flu kills 150k in the US a year, and millions worldwide. Terrorism doesn't even come close.

You do realize that deaths from terrorism aren't nearly as easy to categorize and collect statistics on as flu infections and deaths? Well, maybe you don't...

Would mind explaining that one. I think it is really easy to tell weather some one died from terrorism or not. Step 1. Look at the body is it blown up if yes see step 2. Add one to count.

 

[themroc27]

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: alchemize
The government really needs to start Tamiflu production/stockpiling. It's the only thing that will work against a "superflu" if the vaccine is missed.

Actually that would be Roche who needs to produce more. Too bad Pharmas are da 3vil which the righteous have sued incessantly to punish them from distrubuting their evil wares. Fortunately they have been largely successful driving vaccine manufacture out of this country and out of the marketplace.

this is just about the most stupid thing I've ever read on P&N. Vaccinations aren't being made in the USA because it isn't a profitable endeavor. The free market has spoken. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with companies being sued. The reason vaccination manufacture continues unabated in Europe is because the social democracies HEAVILY SUBSIDIZE the manufacture of these products. I.e., they take the taxes they raise from citizens, and actually spend that money on things like healthcare and medical research.