Palin clears herself on "Troopergate" scandal

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Well McCain was right when he says that the ethics investigation in Alaska has been, "muddied with innuendo, rumor and partisan politics."

So tommorow the REAL report from the ethics committee is supposed to be released. I wonder just how bad it is going to be for Sarah Palin?


Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe

By MATT APUZZO ? 25 minutes ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) ? Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.

Sen. John McCain's running mate is the subject of a legislative investigation into whether she abused her power as governor by firing her public safety commissioner. The commissioner, Walter Monegan, says he was dismissed in July for resisting pressure from Palin's husband, Todd Palin, and numerous top aides to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's former brother-in-law.

Lawmakers are expected to release their own findings Friday. Campaign officials have yet to see that report ? the result of an investigation that began before she was tapped as McCain's running mate ? but said the investigation has falsely portrayed a legitimate policy dispute between a governor and her commissioner as something inappropriate.

"The following document will prove Walt Monegan's dismissal was a result of his insubordination and budgetary clashes with Governor Palin and her administration," campaign officials wrote. "Trooper Wooten is a separate issue."

Monegan said Thursday that he doesn't know what to expect from the legislative panel's own report.

"I just hope that the truth is figured out," Monegan told The Associated Press on Thursday. "That the governor did want me to fire him, and I chose to not. You just can't walk up to someone and say, 'I fire you.' He didn't do anything under my watch to result in termination."

Palin's critics say that shows she used her office to settle family affairs.

"When you're the governor, you leave your household hat at home and you become governor," said state Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican who has frequently clashed with Palin.

The campaign's report instead blames former campaign opponent, Andrew Halcro, who has a blog, of conspiring with Wooten to pin Monegan's dismissal on the family's dispute with Wooten. Three days after Monegan was fired, they say, Wooten told his ex-wife, Palin's sister, that: "You guys are going down. Get ready for the show."

Two days after that confrontation, they say, Halcro and Wooten met at a hotel bar in Anchorage for more than three hours ? and that evening, Halcro posted the first accusations on his blog that Monegan had been fired because of a vendetta against Wooten by the Palin family.

"It is tragic that a false story hatched by a blogger after drinks with Trooper Wooten led the legislature to allocate over $100,000 of public money to be spent in what has become a politically driven investigation," the 21-page report concludes.

Although the report describes Wooten as a separate issue, the McCain campaign goes into great detail about the "rogue" trooper and his "long history of unstable and erratic behavior." The campaign describes allegations of violence, including threatening Palin's family and shooting his stepson with a stun gun.

The report also includes allegations that Wooten cheated the workers' compensation system. Todd Palin has said he had numerous conversations with government officials about why Wooten was allowed to stay on the job.

"The Palins make no apologies for wanting to protect their family and wanting to bring attention to the injustice of a violent trooper keeping his badge and abusing the workers' compensation system."

But Todd Palin said he never pressured anyone, including his wife.

The McCain campaign says the investigation has become "muddied with innuendo, rumor and partisan politics."

Associated Press writer Adam Goldman contributed to this report.


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Ok folks, since McCain/Palin felt it was necessary to release their own version of the ethics report the actual report must not be very good for Palin.

I cant wait to see the actual report!
 

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How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.

You're prediction about 2012 might well come true. But notwithstanding their continued pandering to the fundamentalists, I do believe that the establishment within the Republican Party will eventually do their own dance towards the muddled middle, because that's where a two party system always and ever leads us.



 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.

You mean better at masking it from the public... Courting the evangelical base is a large part of what brought the "republican" party to the state it's in now....
 

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I've followed politics for maybe a decade and I can't remember any self-investigations resulting in reports like this.. I'm sure there is a precedent but I can't think of it.
 

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.

You mean better at masking it from the public... Courting the evangelical base is a large part of what brought the "republican" party to the state it's in now....

Yes, exactly! That's why I see her rejection as a barometer of the health and progress of our American Republic.

Like it or not, centrism is where it's at.

We have suffered throught an era of right wing ascendancy. And, given the bankruptcy of their of BOTH their international and their national policy, we simply cannot chance a return to power of Mr. 90.1% and Barbie, The Bionic Alaskan.
 

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I'm interested in seeing the actual report, but in the meantime, I must say that the McCain/Palin campaign's capacity for dishonesty and dirty politics just never ceases to amaze. At this point, I don't see how anyone with any shred of moral integrity can possibly support that ticket.
I'm not saying you have to vote for Obama, just don't reward McCain for his dishonesty with your vote. Vote 3rd party instead. Vote for Barr even.
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.

You mean better at masking it from the public... Courting the evangelical base is a large part of what brought the "republican" party to the state it's in now....

Yes, exactly! That's why I see her rejection as a barometer of the health and progress of our American Republic.

Like it or not, centrism is where it's at.

Hillary making a last minute surge in the polls or something? ;)
 

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I didn't think it worked that way.

Can you just imagine what this would be like from the White House?
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.

You mean better at masking it from the public... Courting the evangelical base is a large part of what brought the "republican" party to the state it's in now....

Yes, exactly! That's why I see her rejection as a barometer of the health and progress of our American Republic.

Like it or not, centrism is where it's at.

Hillary making a last minute surge in the polls or something? ;)

Whether you like it or not, sport, despite the very best efforts of extemists on both sides, that's the way our Republic rolls. :thumbsup:

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.

You mean better at masking it from the public... Courting the evangelical base is a large part of what brought the "republican" party to the state it's in now....

Yes, exactly! That's why I see her rejection as a barometer of the health and progress of our American Republic.

Like it or not, centrism is where it's at.

Hillary making a last minute surge in the polls or something? ;)

I know Hillary's supporters don't like to believe it because of Bill's famous centrism, but Hillary campaigned in the primary on a further left platform than Obama's.

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Whether you like it or not, sport, despite the very best efforts of extemists on both sides, that's the way our Republic rolls. :thumbsup:
Thank God too! :thumbsup:
The Founding Fathers were truly geniuses, and their Constitution works, but I gotta admit this cycle, when the tide clearly needed to roll back the other way, has had me worried.
 

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I think there will be a three party system soon: The Evangelical Conservatives, the Libertarians, and the Democrats.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.
That certainly isn't the party that William F Buckley and Barry Goldwater, you know real conservatives, envisioned

 

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Surely we are not so naive to believe that this Sarah Palin self exoneration is going to be the last of the various Palin fall back positions. Next on deck and already prepared is the position that Sarah herself
was uninvolved and it was really the first Dude who done it. Then will attack the partisanship if the minority democrats, attack everyone's character and soon the Palin denial play book will have more characters than
a Dickens novel while Palin's halo will burn ever brighter.
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
How big a phenomonem she will be going forward will be yet another barometer of the health and progress of The Republic.

like it or not (and I'm a not) I think Palin is the future of the republican party... if not Palin herself (and I'm a not), I think the next republican we see run for president will be a young, evangelical populist who might just be better at playing the game than Sarah is.
That certainly isn't the party that William F Buckley and Barry Goldwater, you know real conservatives, envisioned

Goldwater opposed the modern Republicans - see his quotes and the book by John Dean - and said he would be viewed by history as a liberal.
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
I'm interested in seeing the actual report, but in the meantime, I must say that the McCain/Palin campaign's capacity for dishonesty and dirty politics just never ceases to amaze. At this point, I don't see how anyone with any shred of moral integrity can possibly support that ticket.
I'm not saying you have to vote for Obama, just don't reward McCain for his dishonesty with your vote. Vote 3rd party instead. Vote for Barr even.

And yet the McCain/Palin supporters are often quick to point out how they are morally superior to the godless heathen liberals. Ironic isn't it?

 

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Vic
I'm interested in seeing the actual report, but in the meantime, I must say that the McCain/Palin campaign's capacity for dishonesty and dirty politics just never ceases to amaze. At this point, I don't see how anyone with any shred of moral integrity can possibly support that ticket.
I'm not saying you have to vote for Obama, just don't reward McCain for his dishonesty with your vote. Vote 3rd party instead. Vote for Barr even.

And yet the McCain/Palin supporters are often quick to point out how they are morally superior to the godless heathen liberals. Ironic isn't it?

Look, you've got your (religious) true believers overwhelmingly in McCain/Palin's camp. They jump up and down in the aisles for Jesus, and they jump up and down in the aisles for McCain/Palin. They believe without questioning almost any statement made in the Bible - rejecting the conclusions of modern science, and they believe without questioning every statement made by the McCain/Palin propaganda machine.
 

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A lot of blame coming out of that camp. Nothing ever seems to be their fault, it's always smeone else.