Palestinian School Children Shot At..... Guess by Who....

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no doubt Israel killed civilians during its assault and killed many children.

I dont see how you can say they did not.

That's like saying the U.S didn't kill any children when they bombed Bahgdad into pieces. Even the Bush media could not hide that.

It's war. Not a video game.

What is your definition of civilian? When the islamic fascists are not uniformed and employ children to fight for them, the measure is fairly meaningless. When the news says Israel killed 1000 civilians, what most likely happened was they killed 990 non-uniformed illegal combatants (i.e. terrorists) and 10 actual civilians.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: rchiu
If they said Israeli missiles hit them, I believe Israeli missiles hit them.

Thank you for proving to us that you are nothing but a credulous fool.

They don't have a reason to lie and they have a big enough organization with diverse enough people to prevent some people with individual agenda from making false statement on behalf of Red Cross.

Aha.... You can rally trust them.

Here are the facts. The guy from Zombietime.com based everything on photographs. He based all analysis without actually seen the ambulance or anyone involved in the incident.

Really, I didn't know that the media had any access to the ambulances, or that any independent expert examined these ambulances.

He is no ballistic expert and have no authority on the type of missiles hitting the ambulance and what kind of explosion it can cause.

Maybe he doesn't, but there are plenty of people out there that do have knowledge and experience, and they are on the net voicing their opinion.

He is some unknown person from the Internet, with unknown agenda and unknown qualification to investigation techniques, journalistic techniques.

Are you done with your futile attempt to portray the guy as an invalid?

Perhaps you'll tell us what missiles does an Apache/Cobra have that can destroy a tank, yet fail to destroy an ambulance.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
rchiu obviously hasn't seen Pallywood.

rchiu, how can you say there are no WMDs in Iraq during the Iraq war buildup? Surely you are no armchair general yourself, and would trust sources such as the United States and Britain?

OH THAT'S RIGHT. They were spouting bullshit, we on the internet took notice and had something to say about it. Now please stop with your hypocritical bullshit, your act is getting REALLY tired.

Oh remember this little thing call UN weapon inspection program that was happenning in Iraq before the invasion? They found no WMD, and UN did not approve the war based on WMD. What were you guys saying about UN? oh how they are weak and unable to make any decision? Any though on the possibility that they were actually right on not making the decision to invade Iraq? All these countries in the world may actually know one or two things you know, American and Bristish may not have all the answers you know.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: rchiu
If they said Israeli missiles hit them, I believe Israeli missiles hit them.

Thank you for proving to us that you are nothing but a credulous fool.

They don't have a reason to lie and they have a big enough organization with diverse enough people to prevent some people with individual agenda from making false statement on behalf of Red Cross.

Aha.... You can rally trust them.

Here are the facts. The guy from Zombietime.com based everything on photographs. He based all analysis without actually seen the ambulance or anyone involved in the incident.

Really, I didn't know that the media had any access to the ambulances, or that any independent expert examined these ambulances.

He is no ballistic expert and have no authority on the type of missiles hitting the ambulance and what kind of explosion it can cause.

Maybe he doesn't, but there are plenty of people out there that do have knowledge and experience, and they are on the net voicing their opinion.

He is some unknown person from the Internet, with unknown agenda and unknown qualification to investigation techniques, journalistic techniques.

Are you done with your futile attempt to portray the guy as an invalid?

Perhaps you'll tell us what missiles does an Apache/Cobra have that can destroy a tank, yet fail to destroy an ambulance.

Ha, that was quick response....do you hang around the site all day and defend Israel from anyone? And you call me a Hamas Apologist....

Perhaps you can tell me how many type of missiles are there and what are the capability of each, and which kind of missile hit the ambulance vs. Apache/Cobra. Or in your mind, missiles are all the same? Or Perhaps you can tell me if it's possible for missile to not expode with full force (possible malfunction and such). I don't know, maybe you are an expert on missile and was actually on the scene and can tell me exactly what went on.

Ha, you call me a fool just because I believe Red Cross? Well what does that make you then when you believe everything zombietime.com says?

Go ahead and post more of these so called "Facts" from blogs or websites with clear agenda. If you wanna believe them, that's fine. Red Cross, UN, Amnesty International and all these organization tells the same ugly story about Israel in recent conflicts. None of these organization existed to be anti-Israel, Israel is not the only issue in the world, these organization are there for much bigger purpose. I am gonna continue to believe what these international organziations say, and you can continue to believe what those blogers say, it's a free world. But I am sure any intelligent person can tell which sources are likely to be biased and full of BS.

 

[Aisengard]

Just for the record, I didn't support the Iraq war whatsoever, as it looked likt there were indeed no WMDs in Iraq. Just showing you how ridiculous and hypocritical it is when you believe whatever comes out of the Middle East without any independent investigation of its own.

And the Red Cross isn't exactly the vanguard of truth, especially the Lebanese Red Cross.

Tell us which media has special access to these ambulances that the internet bloggers do not. Pictures tell a thousand words. Care to tell us why that ambulance was not completely destroyed? Why wasn't everything in the abulance charred to a cinder, if there was a 'big fire'?

It would really help your argument. Otherwise, you're still spouting unsubstantiated bullshit. These Middle East idiots say whatever they want and you believe them, even though they've been outed as complete liars and misrepresenters of truth. This ambulance scandal is yet another splash in the bucket when it comes to media bias. Don't be like the almost completely discredited sensationalist journalists. Use your brain.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Just for the record, I didn't support the Iraq war whatsoever, as it looked likt there were indeed no WMDs in Iraq. Just showing you how ridiculous and hypocritical it is when you believe whatever comes out of the Middle East without any independent investigation of its own.

And the Red Cross isn't exactly the vanguard of truth, especially the Lebanese Red Cross.

Tell us which media has special access to these ambulances that the internet bloggers do not. Pictures tell a thousand words. Care to tell us why that ambulance was not completely destroyed? Why wasn't everything in the abulance charred to a cinder, if there was a 'big fire'?

It would really help your argument. Otherwise, you're still spouting unsubstantiated bullshit. These Middle East idiots say whatever they want and you believe them, even though they've been outed as complete liars and misrepresenters of truth. This ambulance scandal is yet another splash in the bucket when it comes to media bias. Don't be like the almost completely discredited sensationalist journalists. Use your brain.

What about directly from Red Cross who owns the ambulance with their workers involved in the incident?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ha, that was quick response....do you hang around the site all day and defend Israel from anyone? And you call me a Hamas Apologist....

The miracle of email notifications, coupled with IMAP IDLE.
Besides, I consider it an obligation to educate you.

Perhaps you can tell me how many type of missiles are there and what are the capability of each, and which kind of missile hit the ambulance vs. Apache/Cobra.

There's the Hellfire and the TOW. Look again at the page to see how a vehicle is supposed to look like after a hit.

Or Perhaps you can tell me if it's possible for missile to not expode with full force (possible malfunction and such).

Things that cost more than $100k aren't very likely to malfunction. Furthermore, had the missile failed to detonate, we would have seen an entry hole, and an exit hole.... If you think the top hole is the entry hole, then show me the exit; also, don't forget the missiles rocket engine generates lots of heat, and there's hardly any signs of fire in that ambulance.

I don't know, maybe you are an expert on missile and was actually on the scene and can tell me exactly what went on.

I'm not an expert, but I have what you apparently so desperately need -- common sense.

Ha, you call me a fool just because I believe Red Cross? Well what does that make you then when you believe everything zombietime.com says?

You make it sound as if there is no analysis done on that page... oh, wait... that is your goal.
Anyway, I held the opinion that the ambulance story was nothing but BS way before zombietime had setup that page.

But I am sure any intelligent person can tell which sources are likely to be biased and full of BS.

Yep, because the Red Cross ambulances are operated by androids programmed to be unbiased, and they don't transfer explosives for Hamas, or others....

You really are a waste of time, but I'm compelled to answer you for the benefit of others who you are trying to mislead.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Just for the record, I didn't support the Iraq war whatsoever, as it looked likt there were indeed no WMDs in Iraq. Just showing you how ridiculous and hypocritical it is when you believe whatever comes out of the Middle East without any independent investigation of its own.

And the Red Cross isn't exactly the vanguard of truth, especially the Lebanese Red Cross.

Tell us which media has special access to these ambulances that the internet bloggers do not. Pictures tell a thousand words. Care to tell us why that ambulance was not completely destroyed? Why wasn't everything in the abulance charred to a cinder, if there was a 'big fire'?

It would really help your argument. Otherwise, you're still spouting unsubstantiated bullshit. These Middle East idiots say whatever they want and you believe them, even though they've been outed as complete liars and misrepresenters of truth. This ambulance scandal is yet another splash in the bucket when it comes to media bias. Don't be like the almost completely discredited sensationalist journalists. Use your brain.

What about directly from Red Cross who owns the ambulance with their workers involved in the incident?

Based on all the information obtained about this "incident", it seems as if the local Red Cross reported what they were told by their workers.

The questions on the incident come from additional facts that may not match up with the scenario described by the workers.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Just for the record, I didn't support the Iraq war whatsoever, as it looked likt there were indeed no WMDs in Iraq. Just showing you how ridiculous and hypocritical it is when you believe whatever comes out of the Middle East without any independent investigation of its own.

And the Red Cross isn't exactly the vanguard of truth, especially the Lebanese Red Cross.

Tell us which media has special access to these ambulances that the internet bloggers do not. Pictures tell a thousand words. Care to tell us why that ambulance was not completely destroyed? Why wasn't everything in the abulance charred to a cinder, if there was a 'big fire'?

It would really help your argument. Otherwise, you're still spouting unsubstantiated bullshit. These Middle East idiots say whatever they want and you believe them, even though they've been outed as complete liars and misrepresenters of truth. This ambulance scandal is yet another splash in the bucket when it comes to media bias. Don't be like the almost completely discredited sensationalist journalists. Use your brain.

What about directly from Red Cross who owns the ambulance with their workers involved in the incident?

Sigh. You really have no clue how ridiculous you're being. Remember, this is the LEBANESE Red Cross. Think they don't have an agenda?

Just like America in the buildup for the Iraq war. They had 'first-hand' information too. Remember how that turned out to be bullshit? You think America had an agenda?

I'm also sure you accept the internal investigation that Israel did regarding the 'Gaza beach massacre'. After all, they owned the boats that allegedly fired on the beach, they would be the first to know.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Just for the record, I didn't support the Iraq war whatsoever, as it looked likt there were indeed no WMDs in Iraq. Just showing you how ridiculous and hypocritical it is when you believe whatever comes out of the Middle East without any independent investigation of its own.

And the Red Cross isn't exactly the vanguard of truth, especially the Lebanese Red Cross.

Tell us which media has special access to these ambulances that the internet bloggers do not. Pictures tell a thousand words. Care to tell us why that ambulance was not completely destroyed? Why wasn't everything in the abulance charred to a cinder, if there was a 'big fire'?

It would really help your argument. Otherwise, you're still spouting unsubstantiated bullshit. These Middle East idiots say whatever they want and you believe them, even though they've been outed as complete liars and misrepresenters of truth. This ambulance scandal is yet another splash in the bucket when it comes to media bias. Don't be like the almost completely discredited sensationalist journalists. Use your brain.

What about directly from Red Cross who owns the ambulance with their workers involved in the incident?

Sigh. You really have no clue how ridiculous you're being. Remember, this is the LEBANESE Red Cross. Think they don't have an agenda?

Just like America in the buildup for the Iraq war. They had 'first-hand' information too. Remember how that turned out to be bullshit? You think America had an agenda?

I'm also sure you accept the internal investigation that Israel did regarding the 'Gaza beach massacre'. After all, they owned the boats that allegedly fired on the beach, they would be the first to know.

Look at the website, it is the "International Committee of the Red Cross". It is the main bady of Red Cross, and when they put some info on their website, the entire organization is and should be standing behind it. They will take the blame as a group if the info is found to be false, so I believe they as an organization reviewed the incident and approved the publication. So yeah I believe Red Cross as a whole does not have an agenda, other than promote humanity and help people accross the world. Heh, maybe that is an agenda against Israel after all........

 

[imported_dna]

Your assumption that they reviewed the incident is just that -- an assumption.

What most likely happened is that they rushed to post the details of this "event", and now they can't back out since it will make them look like fools.

Also, I'll bet that the ambulances in question will queitly disappear, never to be seen again, nor be available for inspection.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ha, that was quick response....do you hang around the site all day and defend Israel from anyone? And you call me a Hamas Apologist....

The miracle of email notifications, coupled with IMAP IDLE.
Besides, I consider it an obligation to educate you.

Perhaps you can tell me how many type of missiles are there and what are the capability of each, and which kind of missile hit the ambulance vs. Apache/Cobra.

There's the Hellfire and the TOW. Look again at the page to see how a vehicle is supposed to look like after a hit.

Or Perhaps you can tell me if it's possible for missile to not expode with full force (possible malfunction and such).

Things that cost more than $100k aren't very likely to malfunction. Furthermore, had the missile failed to detonate, we would have seen an entry hole, and an exit hole.... If you think the top hole is the entry hole, then show me the exit; also, don't forget the missiles rocket engine generates lots of heat, and there's hardly any signs of fire in that ambulance.

I don't know, maybe you are an expert on missile and was actually on the scene and can tell me exactly what went on.

I'm not an expert, but I have what you apparently so desperately need -- common sense.

Ha, you call me a fool just because I believe Red Cross? Well what does that make you then when you believe everything zombietime.com says?

You make it sound as if there is no analysis done on that page... oh, wait... that is your goal.
Anyway, I held the opinion that the ambulance story was nothing but BS way before zombietime had setup that page.

But I am sure any intelligent person can tell which sources are likely to be biased and full of BS.

Yep, because the Red Cross ambulances are operated by androids programmed to be unbiased, and they don't transfer explosives for Hamas, or others....

You really are a waste of time, but I'm compelled to answer you for the benefit of others who you are trying to mislead.

Did I say there is no analysis done on the page? No, there were lots of analysis done on the page, but every analysis is done by looking and comparing photos to photos. Sure some seems logical, in the eyes of people who don't know which type to missile hit the ambulance and if the missile actually explode. That's only something people on the ground can tell us. I don't know what world you live in, but when people report on something, they go to the scene of incident and report based on the facts, by interviewing people involved or looking at evidance on the scene. If they cannot go to the scene, they at least cite a source that did. Tell me, what did the guy from zombietime do other than sit in his chair and start wroting BS based on pictures and non-confirmed reports/pictures.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Tell me, what did the guy from zombietime do other than sit in his chair and start wroting BS based on pictures and non-confirmed reports/pictures.

How about you google the specs for Hellfire and TOW to find out how many kilograms of high explosive they have?
Then, check out this movie, and this movie. The first one is mislabeled as TOW, and someone comments that it is a kinetic energy missile (nice blast for no warhead), while the second movie is of a Javelin missile, which has the same amount of explosive in it.

Still think that ambulance was hit by a missile?

EDIT: What exactly do you mean by unconfirmed pictures?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: rchiu
Tell me, what did the guy from zombietime do other than sit in his chair and start wroting BS based on pictures and non-confirmed reports/pictures.

How about you google the specs for Hellfire and TOW to find out how many kilograms of high explosive they have?
Then, check out this movie, and this movie. The first one is mislabeled as TOW, and someone comments that it is a kinetic energy missile (nice blast for no warhead), while the second movie is of a Javelin missile, which has the same amount of explosive in it.

Still think that ambulance was hit by a missile?

EDIT: What exactly do you mean by unconfirmed pictures?

How about you tell me how come you are so sure Hellfire and TOW hit the ambulance? All Red Cross said was they were hit by "munitions". Some report said hit was hit by rocket, some said by missiles. No one said what kinda missiles, guess you and zombietimes.com guy got more info without actually being there....you guy are pretty good.

Boston Globe came up with the picture, I dunno where they got it, and how authentic it is. Maybe it is real, maybe it is not. My view is soly based on Red Cross report, and it doesn't matter if someone faked the picture, just like it doesn't matter if the other guy added some "effect" to the smoke over Beirut. The fact remains. Red Cross ambulance was attacked while they were transporting injured. Just like Beirut was bombed and infrastructure was destoryed. One or two rogue journalist (maybe) doesn't negate the facts and what Israel did. And I am sorry that your attempt to whitewash all the thing Israel did using those rogue journalists won't work. Everyone can see what kinda damage Israel did by reading all the reports by people from the field out of major international organization like Red Cross, UN, and Amnesty International.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: rchiu
How about you tell me how come you are so sure Hellfire and TOW hit the ambulance? All Red Cross said was they were hit by "munitions". Some report said hit was hit by rocket, some said by missiles. No one said what kinda missiles, guess you and zombietimes.com guy got more info without actually being there....you guy are pretty good.

Since the "witnesses" said they were hit by missiles from Helicopters; I recall reading about a "big fire", yet there is no evidence of that. The analysis also addresses the posibility of other Helicopter weapons fired at the ambulance.

Yawn.....
I had enough of your BS rhetoric, and henceforth I'll reply with only links for zombietime, youtube videos, and other relevant sites.