Pakistani doctor faces treason charges after bin Laden raid

[Kadarin]

From here:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/world/asia/pakistan-bin-laden-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/1...a-faces-treason-charges-after-bin-laden-raid/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15206639

A Pakistani commission investigating the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden says a doctor accused of helping the CIA should be tried for high treason.

Dr Shakil Afridi is accused of running a CIA-sponsored fake vaccine programme in Abbottabad, where Bin Laden was killed, to try to get DNA samples.

He was arrested shortly after the 2 May US raid that killed the al-Qaeda chief.

A doctor helped the US locate and subsequently eliminate Bin Laden, and now Pakistan is so upset about this that they want to try him for treason. Helping the US to find Bin Laden = treason in the eyes of Pakistan?

This is yet another (of many) example that Pakistan is a truly worthless country. We should stop any and all aid immediately and encourage the rest of the world to do the same. In fact, we should send them a bill for the past aid we've given them over the years.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I wonder when Pakistan is going to place all of the folks in the ISI that are taking bribes from the US, Russia, China and the Taliban on trial for treason or at least corruption.

 

[Kadarin]

I wonder when Pakistan is going to place all of the folks in the ISI that are taking bribes from the US, Russia, China and the Taliban on trial for treason or at least corruption.

Probably never. They're the ones actually running the country, apparently.

 

[bfdd]

Why are we doing any business over there? Just get the fuck out already god fucking damn. Guess I'll have to write another letter.

 

[Jaskalas]

A doctor helped the US locate and subsequently eliminate Bin Laden, and now Pakistan is so upset about this that they want to try him for treason. Helping the US to find Bin Laden = treason in the eyes of Pakistan?

This is yet another (of many) example that Pakistan is a truly worthless country. We should stop any and all aid immediately and encourage the rest of the world to do the same. In fact, we should send them a bill for the past aid we've given them over the years.

This is not a sign of worthlessness. This is them taking ownership of September 11th by actively harboring and siding with the terrorists responsible. By actively attacking anyone who dissents from that support.

We've already had our response in Afghanistan, but Pakistan's actions should be duly noted for future response.

 

[silverpig]

What would you do to an American doctor who helped the Pakistani military launch a covert stealth helicopter attack on Stillwater Oklahoma?

 

[Howard]

What would you do to an American doctor who helped the Pakistani military launch a covert stealth helicopter attack on Stillwater Oklahoma?

What's in Stillwater?

 

[Generator]

The United States and its faltering morals should consider some good honest, decent imperialism. Lets just fucking take Pakistan. We got our dicks so far in these Arab countries that it be a shame when its all said and done and were bankrupt that we never got a god damn thing for all this lousy, corrupt war.

Make the teabaggers colonize the place. That the only good these "patriots" could ever offer America.

 

[Kadarin]

What would you do to an American doctor who helped the Pakistani military launch a covert stealth helicopter attack on Stillwater Oklahoma?

Pakistan was either deliberately harboring Bin Laden, or they were too goddamned incompetent to find him. Either way, the government of Pakistan is both useless and worthless and such a covert operation was necessary.

The fact that Pakistan wants to charge this guy with treason makes me lean toward the theory that they deliberately harbored Bin Laden. In which case, fucking nuke the place.

 

[The Green Bean]

He is not facing treason charges for helping to kill OBL. He is facing them for aiding the Americans to carry out an operation that is akin to an act of war. If he is found guilty in a court of law, what is the problem? If an American helped the ISI to kill Salman Rushdie (who under Pakistani law by all counts faces charges that carry the death penalty), would he not be tried under treason.

 

[PeshakJang]

He is not facing treason charges for helping to kill OBL. He is facing them for aiding the Americans to carry out an operation that is akin to an act of war. If he is found guilty in a court of law, what is the problem? If an American helped the ISI to kill Salman Rushdie (who under Pakistani law by all counts faces charges that carry the death penalty), would he not be tried under treason.

Since Pakistani forces commit acts of war against US forces on just about a daily basis, you aren't really arguing from a very strong position, little boy.

 

[The Green Bean]

Since Pakistani forces commit acts of war against US forces on just about a daily basis, you aren't really arguing from a very strong position, little boy.

Care to shed some light? It is America that conducts daily drone attacks illegally.

 

[1prophet]

He is not facing treason charges for helping to kill OBL. He is facing them for aiding the Americans to carry out an operation that is akin to an act of war. If he is found guilty in a court of law, what is the problem? If an American helped the ISI to kill Salman Rushdie (who under Pakistani law by all counts faces charges that carry the death penalty), would he not be tried under treason.

One can make an argument for the doctor facing charges for aiding the Americans without Pakistani authorization, but Salman Rushdie, what did he do exactly that warrants the death penalty in Pakistan?

 

[The Green Bean]

One can make an argument for the doctor facing charges for aiding the Americans without Pakistani authorization, but Salman Rushdie, what did he do exactly that warrants the death penalty in Pakistan?

Blasphemy is punishable by death in Pakistan. Nobody has been hanged for it yet, but it's the law. If you don't agree with it, too bad. Some people don't agree with the death penalty at all. But then again, killing an unarmed man (OBL) when you could have held a trial doesn't really give you the "moral upper ground" in this case even based on your so called principles of freedom and justice.

 

[Genx87]

Blasphemy is punishable by death in Pakistan. Nobody has been hanged for it yet, but it's the law. If you don't agree with it, too bad. Some people don't agree with the death penalty at all. But then again, killing an unarmed man (OBL) when you could have held a trial doesn't really give you the "moral upper ground" in this case even based on your so called principles of freedom and justice.

Lets see, Bin Laden, head of a criminal syndicate responsible for carrying out acst of terrorism resulting in the deaths of thousands. Rushdie, responsible for writing a book that contains blasphemy. It appears these two are being compared as equals. And then you wonder why the world views your culture as backwards and corrupt and incapable of much of anything? Why dont you try advancing past the middle ages and get back to us.

 

[Jaskalas]

He is not facing treason charges for helping to kill OBL. He is facing them for aiding the Americans to carry out an operation that is akin to an act of war. If he is found guilty in a court of law, what is the problem? If an American helped the ISI to kill Salman Rushdie (who under Pakistani law by all counts faces charges that carry the death penalty), would he not be tried under treason.

September 11th was an act of war. You are dangerously close to being held directly responsible here by your continued treatment of our enemies and our allies.

It's bad enough OBL was in Pakistan, the last thing you want to do is stand by that. Harboring OBL is something to run away from, not something to be proud of. Pakistanis are acting like we killed someone they're quite fond of. I for one find myself quite enraged by the idea.

While I want cooler heads to prevail in our relations, or lack thereof, I will also duly note where you stand and who you side with. Let's just say that direct Pakistani support of Al-Qaeda leads us that much closer to nuclear war. We'd all be better off if you weren't doing that.

 

[rudder]

Blasphemy is punishable by death in Pakistan. Nobody has been hanged for it yet, but it's the law. If you don't agree with it, too bad. Some people don't agree with the death penalty at all. But then again, killing an unarmed man (OBL) when you could have held a trial doesn't really give you the "moral upper ground" in this case even based on your so called principles of freedom and justice.

How fucking backward is that...blasphemy? And you would consider Salmon Rushdie blasphemous even though he has probably never set foot in pakistan? Had Salmon Rushdie paid someone to bomb a government building in pakistan... I might see your point.

Anyway, osama had a chance to defend himself against accusations of terrorism (United States of America v. Usama Bin Laden, et al. Feb. 2001). He chose not to defend himself and was convicted in abstentia. These acts he was on trial for resulted in the death of U.S. Citizens.

Moral upper ground... how many people in the WTC has a chance to defend themselves against being considered infidels?

Anyway regarding the hypothetical mission proposed by another member... the pakistani copter would have been shot down. But I am confident if the Pakistani government approached the U.S. government with information about someone who planned terrorist acts in pakistan... the U.S. would likely devote a few resources to assist.

 

[The Green Bean]

Lets see, Bin Laden, head of a criminal syndicate responsible for carrying out acst of terrorism resulting in the deaths of thousands. Rushdie, responsible for writing a book that contains blasphemy. It appears these two are being compared as equals. And then you wonder why the world views your culture as backwards and corrupt and incapable of much of anything? Why dont you try advancing past the middle ages and get back to us.

Well you just stated two things and then concluded that one opinion is superior to the other. Hollow.

 

[The Green Bean]

September 11th was an act of war. You are dangerously close to being held directly responsible here by your continued treatment of our enemies and our allies.

It's bad enough OBL was in Pakistan, the last thing you want to do is stand by that. Harboring OBL is something to run away from, not something to be proud of. Pakistanis are acting like we killed someone they're quite fond of. I for one find myself quite enraged by the idea.

While I want cooler heads to prevail in our relations, or lack thereof, I will also duly note where you stand and who you side with. Let's just say that direct Pakistani support of Al-Qaeda leads us that much closer to nuclear war. We'd all be better off if you weren't doing that.

1) You have no proof Pakistan was involved.
2) You have killed far more innocent people than OBL could have imagined because of your lies that lead to the Iraq war.

It's about time the American people wake up and realize that their government is war mongering and killing innocents around the world. The world hates you. Too bad you have better weapons than us...

I'm not on AlQaeeda's side but I'm definitely not on America's either. Recent events have lead me to believe America is the far bigger evil and the world would be better off without their dirty politics and bloody illegal wars.

 

[The Green Bean]

How fucking backward is that...blasphemy? And you would consider Salmon Rushdie blasphemous even though he has probably never set foot in pakistan? Had Salmon Rushdie paid someone to bomb a government building in pakistan... I might see your point.

Anyway, osama had a chance to defend himself against accusations of terrorism (United States of America v. Usama Bin Laden, et al. Feb. 2001). He chose not to defend himself and was convicted in abstentia. These acts he was on trial for resulted in the death of U.S. Citizens.

It's not backward at all. Why do you believe that what you have taught to believe is better than everything else?

Moral upper ground... how many people in the WTC has a chance to defend themselves against being considered infidels?

Why do you Americans believe that just because I disaprove of Salman Rushdie and America policies in general that I approve of what OBL did. He was evil, but not to the scale of Bush and Obama.

Anyway regarding the hypothetical mission proposed by another member... the pakistani copter would have been shot down. But I am confident if the Pakistani government approached the U.S. government with information about someone who planned terrorist acts in pakistan... the U.S. would likely devote a few resources to assist.

America has lost the Afghan war. They're only looking for a scapegoat to blame their defeat on.

 

[EagleKeeper]

TGB. With OBL being located where he was hiding and Pakistan doing everything after the fact to others that assisted in locating him by punishing, it creates a large cloud of suspicion over what assistance Pakistan provided to him. Instead of supporting the fact he was gone, the country seems bto lash out at anything that allowed him to be captured.

Your country may feel that they were violated, the world sees Pakistan as an accomplice xdue to where he was and actions afterwards.

Instead of trying to find out where their system broke down and allowed him to exist, it is trying yo find out how he was located and prevent such exposure again. Such implies COVERUP and CYA.

 

[woolfe9999]

It's not backward at all. Why do you believe that what you have taught to believe is better than everything else?

Cultural relativism is the best you have to offer here? Well gee, I guess you're right. Human life is cheap in Pakistan, but religious dogma, well that's another thing entirely. Who are we to say that murdering 3000 civilians is worse than writing a book that constitutes "blasphemy" in your religion? I guess we're just arrogantly "imposing our values" on others.

Pathetic.

- wolf

 

[Doppel]

What would you do to an American doctor who helped the Pakistani military launch a covert stealth helicopter attack on Stillwater Oklahoma?

A better analogy is this:

A criminal orchestrated an attack killing thousands of Pakistanis. Pakistan scours the globe for him. The US says it will help out. However, it turns out that inadvertently or not he's been in the US for years. During this time the Pakistanis have been regularly lied to by the US and before attacking other friends of this guy let the friends know. So one day Pakistan finds an American to help out and they sneak in and kill him. They don't tell the US because they cannot afford another intel slip. Pakistan kills him, no Americans die, and now the US wants to kill this guy for doing what the US' supposed official position was to begin with.

The US should have whisked this guy out of Pakistan before the operation to be honest.

If an American helped the ISI to kill Salman Rushdie

Salman Rushie = Osama Bin Laden. Got it.

You guys better watch your ass, you've already been put on notice by Clinton recently about a grave strategic mistake you're making and the chairman of the joint chiefs has publicly stated your intelligence agency has supported terrorist attacks.

It's about time the American people wake up and realize that their government is war mongering and killing innocents around the world.

A lot of Americans already feel this way.

My dad had that book by Rushdie, but I never read it. Pretty well rated on Amazon, though.

 

[The Green Bean]

A better analogy is this:

A criminal orchestrated an attack killing thousands of Pakistanis. Pakistan scours the globe for him. The US says it will help out. However, it turns out that inadvertently or not he's been in the US for years. During this time the Pakistanis have been regularly lied to by the US and before attacking other friends of this guy let the friends know. So one day Pakistan finds an American to help out and they sneak in and kill him. They don't tell the US because they cannot afford another intel slip. Pakistan kills him, no Americans die, and now the US wants to kill this guy for doing what the US' supposed official position was to begin with.

The US should have whisked this guy out of Pakistan before the operation to be honest.Salman Rushie = Osama Bin Laden. Got it.

You guys better watch your ass, you've already been put on notice by Clinton recently about a grave strategic mistake you're making and the chairman of the joint chiefs has publicly stated your intelligence agency has supported terrorist attacks.A lot of Americans already feel this way.

My dad had that book by Rushdie, but I never read it. Pretty well rated on Amazon, though.

Americans can go fuck themselves. I won't feel sorry if there is another 9/11. I know some Americans rejoice at every Pakistani that dies. I won't do the same, but I really don't value American life.

 

[Kadarin]

Too bad you have better weapons than us...

Fascinating, that, and I wonder why that is? You see, American/Western culture produces ideas and things, and we invent stuff and advance the human condition. For example, who invented the internet on which you're posting all this anti-American invective? (Hint: NOT PAKISTAN) Your worthless Islamic culture is too busy wanting to execute people for blasphemy to actually do anything positive.