Pakistan floods leave millions stranded with no food or water

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Infohawk

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Where in the world are you going to be safe from them evil Muslims?

I am safe from them. Their nations are backwards and not a military threat at all . There terror attacks are mostly irritating. I'm more worried about getting in a car accident. Any other questions?

PS I don't buy into good and evil dichotomies.
 
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Infohawk

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Hell, your beloved Jews aren't much better in how they treat those "different than us."

Yes Jews have a habit of covering their womens' faces. As a group, Jews are largely intolerant to gays. In fact, in places like West Hollywood, CA there are daily wars between the Jews and the gays. And after the founding of their religion, Jews famously crossed the world to convert people by the sword.
 

Infohawk

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Irritating to you maybe, but think of the families of 9/11.
Ya, I know, but I couldn't resist..

No actually you're right. Even if statistically I am relatively safe from terrorists they will likely hit someone and it is selfish for me to consider it an annoyance. We should take terrorism seriously. Would it be dumb to focus our resources on preventing Mormon terrorist attacks?
 
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MarkXIX

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Just open google and type in *Name of Islamic nation* aid to pakistan.

Then find what you are looking for.
Here, I did Saudi Arabia for you.

Saudi Arabia donates $100 million to Pakistan Flood Relief
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&q=Saudi...+aid+to+pakistan&gs_rfai=&fp=5b1fceef9c80000d

So, the Saudis have given just over $100 million and the United States has already donated over $150 million? Let me get this straight, a primarily Christian nation, who generally sees Pakistan as a threat to our own national security gives more than an almost exclusively Muslim nation? Where's Iran? Where's Syria? Where's Kuwait? Qatar, UAE?
 

nobodyknows

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So, the Saudis have given just over $100 million and the United States has already donated over $150 million? Let me get this straight, a primarily Christian nation, who generally sees Pakistan as a threat to our own national security gives more than an almost exclusively Muslim nation? Where's Iran? Where's Syria? Where's Kuwait? Qatar, UAE?

Don't you know, it's up to us to protect the Muslims? They are too busy planning each others downfall to worry about such trivial matters.
 

BoomerD

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Don't you know, it's up to us to protect the Muslims? They are too busy planning each others downfall to worry about such trivial matters.

We could always "donate" a few large yield nukes...you know...just to help dry things up a bit...
 

Orignal Earl

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So, the Saudis have given just over $100 million and the United States has already donated over $150 million? Let me get this straight, a primarily Christian nation, who generally sees Pakistan as a threat to our own national security gives more than an almost exclusively Muslim nation? Where's Iran? Where's Syria? Where's Kuwait? Qatar, UAE?

I don't know what the total the Saudis have given is, that was the link at the top of the google search. Do you really need me to search the rest out for you?
America sees Pakistan as a national security threat? While your searching out those other answers maybe you could back this up also.
 

The Green Bean

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As far as foreign donations go, muslims have donated nearly $1billion.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...ims-donate-nearly-1-billion-to-pakistan-rs-07

The national donations will probably match those. The intellectual class is working together to help, with many people actually visiting camps and distrubiting themselves. The situation could have been much worse. The most important thing is there is relative security and not much looting has been reported (African scale). The army is probably responsible for this.

Another thing; the people trust the army. Most people either donate to the army or NGOs and refrain from donating to the government which they perceive as super corrupt.

I've always been a fan of the army and the work they are doing is commendable. They are saving cities (Thatta) and building dikes, repairing major bridges, provding security, saving people. All the government apparently does is make statements that the army is working on the government's orders. Where are Zardari's billions? The entire government has donated less than Angelina Jolies contribution.

However, it seems that the flood has bought some resemblance of unity in the different parties of the country. Even though Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa keeps complaining, the fact that all provinces have been affected makes it a national problem.

The biggest personal fear was a mass dispora of people coming to the cities and destablizing them. However, the relief camps set up have to a major extent avoided this. I live in Karachi which has seen rioting between ethnic groups last month. More people would have made the riots much worse effecting the stability of the entire region. Ofcourse, I would have had to worry about leaving the house.

I see these floods as a positive change in the long term, despite the death it has bought. Sometof the affectees were effectively slaves, especially in Sindh province. Most were small-scale farmers who ate what they grew. Most will lose their land, and some will create new towns which would create a more industrialized economy. It is about time we stop being an agrarian society and start creating more cities like China has done. Large land in the hands of less, richer people will probably increase the agricultural output. Ofcourse all this requires planning and vision which the current government is not capable of. Foreign governments, firms, and the army should play a role here. There is lot of potential. Millions of people; millions of labourers.

As far as those who have lost everything are concerned, they will have to find a way to live. I feel sorry for them but that's life.

I'm happy for the international assistance provided. I'm also pleased with the way locals and the army is working. I'm disgusted and the government and especially the crook Zardari. I hope the government collapses soon. Nothing could be worse...

Most affectees interviewed on TV reinforce their faith in God, which will probably give them strength for the months to come. Hopefully, we will have a stronger, more secure Pakistan in the next decade.

Another thing. There is no Taliban anywhere. Where are they? Where are these camps controlled by gunmen? Other relief camps would make soft targets and the taliban would achieve their objective of scaring away workers. Looters have been a bigger threat than these taliban across the country. Propaganda against them in the last few years seems to have worked and I don't think anybody supports them.
 
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Orignal Earl

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I killed the thread? :eek:

Na, some folk are trying to build a community center in NY, so there was a thread started about that.
Then about 10 more threads with a little different variations were started.
Then someone decided to throw Mormons into the mix, so we had a couple of threads on that.
The Jews got pissed because nobody was focusing on them, so we got a few threads on that topic.
Scatter in a couple of Mexican threads, just to complete the picture and voila
Nobody cares about floods in Pakistan. ;)
 

OCGuy

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Just out of curiosity..how much did Pakistan donate to the Katrina victims?
 

The Green Bean

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Just out of curiosity..how much did Pakistan donate to the Katrina victims?

This has been asked before. None, we have had to handle millions of our own homeless in the last decade owing to the earthquake in 2005 and the war against the Taliban. It's not easy living in Pakistan.
 

OCGuy

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This has been asked before. None, we have had to handle millions of our own homeless in the last decade owing to the earthquake in 2005 and the war against the Taliban. It's not easy living in Pakistan.

Its not easy being an impoverished black American in New Orleans.
 

Zebo

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As far as foreign donations go, muslims have donated nearly $1billion.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...ims-donate-nearly-1-billion-to-pakistan-rs-07

The national donations will probably match those. The intellectual class is working together to help, with many people actually visiting camps and distrubiting themselves. The situation could have been much worse. The most important thing is there is relative security and not much looting has been reported (African scale). The army is probably responsible for this.

Another thing; the people trust the army. Most people either donate to the army or NGOs and refrain from donating to the government which they perceive as super corrupt.

I've always been a fan of the army and the work they are doing is commendable. They are saving cities (Thatta) and building dikes, repairing major bridges, provding security, saving people. All the government apparently does is make statements that the army is working on the government's orders. Where are Zardari's billions? The entire government has donated less than Angelina Jolies contribution.

However, it seems that the flood has bought some resemblance of unity in the different parties of the country. Even though Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa keeps complaining, the fact that all provinces have been affected makes it a national problem.

The biggest personal fear was a mass dispora of people coming to the cities and destablizing them. However, the relief camps set up have to a major extent avoided this. I live in Karachi which has seen rioting between ethnic groups last month. More people would have made the riots much worse effecting the stability of the entire region. Ofcourse, I would have had to worry about leaving the house.

I see these floods as a positive change in the long term, despite the death it has bought. Sometof the affectees were effectively slaves, especially in Sindh province. Most were small-scale farmers who ate what they grew. Most will lose their land, and some will create new towns which would create a more industrialized economy. It is about time we stop being an agrarian society and start creating more cities like China has done. Large land in the hands of less, richer people will probably increase the agricultural output. Ofcourse all this requires planning and vision which the current government is not capable of. Foreign governments, firms, and the army should play a role here. There is lot of potential. Millions of people; millions of labourers.

As far as those who have lost everything are concerned, they will have to find a way to live. I feel sorry for them but that's life.

I'm happy for the international assistance provided. I'm also pleased with the way locals and the army is working. I'm disgusted and the government and especially the crook Zardari. I hope the government collapses soon. Nothing could be worse...

Most affectees interviewed on TV reinforce their faith in God, which will probably give them strength for the months to come. Hopefully, we will have a stronger, more secure Pakistan in the next decade.

Another thing. There is no Taliban anywhere. Where are they? Where are these camps controlled by gunmen? Other relief camps would make soft targets and the taliban would achieve their objective of scaring away workers. Looters have been a bigger threat than these taliban across the country. Propaganda against them in the last few years seems to have worked and I don't think anybody supports them.

China does not have inshallah fatalism pakistan does and like every islamic country is economic fail and will continue to be a economic fail...Sorry oil revenues/accident of geology are not the same thing as an economy, What's even more amazing is what little economic progress has been accomplished by the Arabs and Iranians despite the more ~20 trillion in oil revenue over past 30 years and you think Pakistan has a chance w/o oil? Not happening.
 
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The Green Bean

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China does not have inshallah fatalism pakistan does and like every islamic country is economic fail and will continue to be a economic fail...Sorry oil revenues/accident of geology are not the same thing as an economy, What's even more amazing is what little economic progress has been accomplished by the Arabs and Iranians despite the more ~20 trillion in oil revenue over past 30 years and you think Pakistan has a chance w/o oil? Not happening.

To link all economic problems with Islam is ignorant at best. In my opinion the main failure in the Pakistani economic policy over the years has been its not adherence to Islamic principles. In my opinion the Islamic framework for economics is far superior to the western models. However I don't see ANY country that has adopted Islamic principles in their macro-economy after WW1. It is an irony that Islam shares so many values with Jewish ones. Usury for one is a crime. Pakistan pays millions in debt servicing every year. Banks here make billions in interest.

It will be the greatest achievement of the century if the Islamic countries stop believing in the notion that an economic model not based on interest can survive today.
 

Orignal Earl

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What's even more amazing is what little economic progress has been accomplished by the Arabs and Iranians despite the more ~20 trillion in oil revenue over past 30 years and you think Pakistan has a chance w/o oil? Not happening.

Despite being a very poor country in 1947, Pakistan's economic growth rate has been better than the global average during the subsequent four decades, but imprudent policies led to a slowdown in the late 1990s.[93] Recently, wide-ranging economic reforms have resulted in a stronger economic outlook and accelerated growth especially in the manufacturing and financial services sectors.[93] Since the 1990s, there has been great improvement in the foreign exchange position and rapid growth in hard currency reserves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#Economy
 

nobodyknows

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America sees Pakistan as a national security threat? While your searching out those other answers maybe you could back this up also.

I would think that any nation with nukes would be consdiered as a possible national security threat??
 

Orignal Earl

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I would think that any nation with nukes would be consdiered as a possible national security threat??

Well come on..
Sure, same then as the UK and France.
You could even broaden that to every country in the world besides your own.
 

nobodyknows

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Well come on..
Sure, same then as the UK and France.
You could even broaden that to every country in the world besides your own.

Not to worry, you Canadians have the US to protect you whilst you sit around and pass judgement on who is and isn't "real americans" LOL

And a largely Muslim country with nukes would pose an even bigger threat. I guess I look at the world differently then most folks. As a former farmer I quickly learned that succeeding in that game was largely risk management and that has caried over to my world view as well.

That is probably a big part of why I am against building the mosque in the shadow of the WTC. I see a lot of risk in doing so and not much reward, so why build it there?