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Theres 6 occaisons so far, yet almost all of them consisted of female lions losing and it states in the text that the lion didn't even have time to defend him/her self, on the other hand most of the bears that lost were males as stated the combatants had a male name, not to mention the fights had some with both combatants semi-aware and both agknowledged the fight on equal terms:
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144938
Like I said, the score cards favors the lion, the substance in the fights so far presented favours the lion, the accounts favor the lion, the historical oaccisons they met favours the lion, the statistics favor the lion.
Only a slight weight advantage is in favor for the bear, which is useless since its not significant, and is disputed by the fact lions kill animals more powerful, stronger and heavier by 2-6 times fold.
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144938
Like I said, the score cards favors the lion, the substance in the fights so far presented favours the lion, the accounts favor the lion, the historical oaccisons they met favours the lion, the statistics favor the lion.
Only a slight weight advantage is in favor for the bear, which is useless since its not significant, and is disputed by the fact lions kill animals more powerful, stronger and heavier by 2-6 times fold.
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Lion 450 lbs, gorillas 400 lbs each = no contest, lion might be lucky to take out 1-2 gorillas due to it hunter/killer nature, but noway in hell it can take out 3 or more angry gorillas.
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What makes you think the gorillas will work together as a team?
Show some documentation where they cooperate with one another to fend off any intruder/predator in those amounts of 10 at a time...show something that supports that gorillas work together when fighting.
Other wise I can just assume the gorillas will esculate there anger, attack and kill off each other on sight, since its a priorty not to have an abundent of males in the same encloser, the fight in this small cage will have around 5 or so brawling it out while 2 running up trees, 1 avoiding conflict by running around the arena in fear and the lion persuing the last for a quick kill.
Slowly they'd kill each other off while 1 at a time the lion will have his share as well...since theres no time limit, looks like the lion will have a stash of fresh gorilla meat to keep up his vitality until he is the only one in the cage remaining.
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Lion? Meh. It's not even the world's biggest extant felid hahaha.. Amur tigers for the win.
Lion or Siberian tiger all the same, the gorillas would win. The biggest of the cats are strong, but pound for pound I'd bet gorillas are the strongest mammals out lol..
Lion or Siberian tiger all the same, the gorillas would win. The biggest of the cats are strong, but pound for pound I'd bet gorillas are the strongest mammals out lol..
They have the title as a individual status, like comparing yao ming to the average white guy, but...lions are larger on average:
http://teamauthority.myfastforum.org/ftopic623-0.php
Tigers average 350 pounds as a speices, lions 409; the tiger has the title as the longest cat alive, the lion the tallest cat alive, the tiger has the title as heaviest, though only by a mere few kilos, since Jaipur the worlds largest tiger fluctuated from 930-1025 pounds while Sultan owned by Johnson fluctuated from 900-1,000...on any given fully stuffed day of eating 20% of there fill either or lion or tiger could have out-weighed the other.
Also, lions are the largest cat in terms mass, even at near parity Sultan would look 40% larger then jaipur since sultan had a barbary-like mane that extends to the belly and increases his overall mass, african lions are basically at a stale mate with bengal and siberians upoun the last century, while even asiatic lions are around 100-200 pounds heavier than the rest of the 6 tiger sub-speices.
The heavist gorilla was 809, vs lion 1,000, vs tiger 1025...doesn't matter really, only prime states should be used which as gorillas rarely reach 500, they stay around 250-350; 400 is large and 500 is rare, while lions 409 is average, 550 is large; and 600 pound is prime, since many 600 pound lions are documented I would say its not rare, 690 was the largest accepted but a game wardens locker book states a 750 pound lion shot once, not hard to belive since 800 pound lions are quite abundent in captivity.
Pound for pound?
Leopards kill gorillas
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9381679/1/
I'd back a very large chimp over a average gorilla at near parity since chimps are very agressive and gorillas are some what peaceful animals.
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Until you can show documentation in the wild, staged fights are just that. Staged. They have no realistic prediction of a healthy animal in a fight.
Define realistic predictions?
The tower of london fight where two freshly caught bengal tigers broke open a sliding door and attacked a captive raised lion of 7 years named george for a half an hour, while the lion managed to hold out that long against two wild specimens is truely a testiment to his prowess, since when the fight was broken up and the bout became 1 on 1 the lion out gamed and broke the male tigers fang...what happened to wild>>>>>tamed???
The fight with parnell the lion and ramadan stated by history banter that the grizzly (300 pound advantage) was a wild specimen from californias state, yet he did less then medicore against a captive lion, what happen to size= automatic win? An again wild>>>tamed?
Uh huh, yet I did provide a historical event backed by numerous sources of a wild occaison with a lion possibly barbary and a atlas bear in a form of a artifact along with similar abstracts confirming the occaisons to be likely true events...yet to you since the lion won, ahhh, they are more likely fairy tales, but if the bear won it would've been god given truth.
lol
You should talk, since you support 10 gorillas vs a single lion and won't be realistic that they all won't attack the lion with unity since not only can you not provide any sources that supports that, but ahhh we oughta just take your word for it that they have inter-stellar knowldge of combining there efforts against single advisarys, if that was so, gorillas live in large groups as well, yet we don't have a single occaison of any gorilla band ganging up on any formidable trespasser, if a small group of lions can dispatch a buffalo, why isin't there small to large groups of gorillas replicating the feat since they are omnivores and do dine on meat occaisionally and they do co-exist with bufflao and other large herbivores...Hmm?
Thats because of King kong fanatics mix the fictional charecter of dino killer with the real life gorilla the plant killer. lol
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Kodiak bear is 1500lbs. How is that a slight weight advantage?
Before you say I'm wrong just take a look at bart the bear. He was about 10 feet tall and 1500 lbs. Looked like he was in pretty good shape too.
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There are subspecies of lion also. The species average is simply higher for lions since there is little difference in mass between. Amur tigers are a lot larger than Sumatran tigers, but white lions are similar in size to more usual tawny coloured lions. The fact remains of all big cat subspecies currently living, the Amur/Siberian tiger is the largest.
Kodiak bear is 1500lbs. How is that a slight weight advantage?
Before you say I'm wrong just take a look at bart the bear. He was about 10 feet tall and 1500 lbs. Looked like he was in pretty good shape too.
You must not have read your source wiki right...right?
Since it stated not only is very few wild bears ever weighed, the method of weighing them are of measuring there skulls x body mass, which is what?
Estimations.
Not a single bear past 1,000 pounds was weighed with a electronic scale (the same way thy way cattle and horses), the method of weighing bears is as stated by numerous taxidermy sources as, measuring the skulls and times the body mass, which is flawed in multiple ways and is no where scientifcally accurate.
A Prime Kodiak is 835 not 1,500 hundred which is what they would consider obese, if there even is any brown bear alive that can be verified getting to 1,300 (electronically weighed) not estimated.
A bear of barts status which really only looks 1,000 at best I've seen 800 pound bears with the same mass as bart, bart being captive would more so would be man handled by a wild specimen like the 649 pounder shot by victor zeni in the wild, yet since you wanna use captive states, sultan who in mass would be equal to any bear since he had a barbary like mane, in fact simba was 200 pounds lighter and smaller than sultan, show me just one brown bear that stands as tall as simba did on all fours...
Sultan at his 1k weight range, would in my opinion demoslish any 1,500 pound and up estimated bear, since I've seen a photo of sultan doing acrobatics and for as large as he was he could be as nimble as any average sized lion...you know...the same way theres over 20 accounts I posted on the previous site in how the puma kills black and brown bears, some stated in the exact text it was a estimated 1,000 pound Grizzly...what happen to that type of significance?
lol The bear is not significantly larger than the lion on average, or at prime, maybe the worlds fattest bear is, but yet we can't even take any of those supposed weights serious since till date there isn't a single verified bear past 1,100 that was weighed properly with a electric scale, lions skulls are larger than brown bear skulls on average, could I then times the skull with his manes mass and estimate him to being 2,000 pounds?
Nope.
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What are you talking about? on average siberians by over 15 census done by the R.F.E. responce team and numerous sources who weighed wild specimens, have amurs as 440 pounds as there average, they can range from 390-800, though historically speaking Mazak a well known amur tiger biologist already stated that those records of 800 pounders stemed from un-reliable hunters, that the aray of weights givin wasn't consistant, there fore estimated, not scientifically weighed.
White lions average 280 Kg they are larger than your average lion stated by 3 known zoologist. I'm aware of there are other lion subspeices, yet none of them are as small as the tiger subspeices like the javan, bali, indonisian, sumatran, all who stay around 250-350, 350 would be the smallest of lions, and they are the rarest, they average as a species 409, while tigers 350 pounds which is all that matters, I don't go cherry picking to make a point, I take the entire species averages.
A average african lion by mass will look larger than your average siberian tiger via mane, like-wise the worlds largest lion is larger than the worlds largest tiger by mass, a few kilos ain't anything to notice but a 40% larger mass is...compliments of the lions mane.
I've already jot down majority of the tiger weights on bengals and siberians in that link, and they stick around 420 as there averages when combining all records on hand not just finding the largest population, thats not what average means, the averages is when you take every known document and divide the amount of specimens weighed to the sum of them added together, thats how you reach averages.
checked back in after a 40 minute break, and wow, Budashes...I see your profile states that you havn't taken your eyes off this thread ever since.
What cat got your tounge? lol
Don't let it get to ya that I keep humilating you with facts. Dont think to hard on the subject, stick to being deceptive and bullshiting your way into convos, that seems to work better for ya.
You'd bring nothing to contribute since the evidence and proof speaks for itself.
What cat got your tounge? lol
Don't let it get to ya that I keep humilating you with facts. Dont think to hard on the subject, stick to being deceptive and bullshiting your way into convos, that seems to work better for ya.
You'd bring nothing to contribute since the evidence and proof speaks for itself.
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Whoops, did I catch you when you were fapping or something?
My bad.
XD XD
Nope, no bear past 1,100 is scientifcally weighed with a electronic scale, I asked a few repedative sources, and the means of such weights are because the hunter can't use the same method of takle, hoist and rope to weigh them with a counter balance of stones, so they then estimated them, sorry but estimates are only guesses, poor ones at that. Since a shorter guy with a smaller head can still weigh heavier then a taller guy with a larger skull, exactly how the bear method is flawed.
I bet no brown bear on the planet would even pull in 1,300 pounds obese or not, in fact later I will request some video weighed specimens from owners along with asking for measurments, not to mention I'd bet no bear would look as large as woody and rhino the lions who are 805 and 852 pounders that posses no manes, in verse they can match any shaved or hairless bear if they were in the same shot to compare mass.
Doesn't matter really the puma has over 20 accounts of killing black and brown bears, the thousand pounder one was just hilarious, since thats at-least a 800 pound advantage, and he still lost...uuuuuuhhh that must get you bangin your head on your moniter eh?
The bear has only a 200-400 pound at best, since we use prime bears, not obese ones, unless you think a 1,320 pound human the record for the heaviest man can whip a prime 300 pound ufc fighter...lol
Yet weight is all the bear has...as previously highlighted in the link the lion has a huge variety of advantages statistically and also superior, feats, historical records, and lastly; already won out more times than vice versa...and I'm sure mores to come in shrinking your pathetic attempts in being a grade A troll to straight oh...Dumbass.
lol
Good luck with that.
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Title of thread is "Pack of 10 gorillas..." as in a pack of wolfs, etc..., hence I say they work together as Gorillas vs. Lion. And, this is an unlikely scenario in the real world because they live in different environments.
PS. The correct term for non fictitious group of gorillas would be a troop or band of gorillas.
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LOL. Hilarious. Mean=prime. He has a more tenuous grasp on English than previously thought.
He wasn't getting the attention he wanted on other forums I guess.
Keep it going fellas.
Doesn't matter really, estimates are estimates, I am already putting in request to get video proof when owners do there yearly check ups, what I find interesting to exploit which could debunk a whole centurys worth of bullshit weight figures or 2,000-3,000 pound bears is the mass x skull method, that is still in effect.
If I can find a bear that has the exact same measurements as the so call 1,500 plus bears, then have a similar bear of that exact weight measurments actually weighed on camera, and if they are not the same weights or in fact way off, then it could be paved down the road that brown bears might not be as nearly as large as they were claimed to be, theres a consistant pattern in countless of books that over exaggerate the size of brown bears since none actually way them:
http://books.google.com/books?id=VJ...a=X&ei=pWqMUIarHuHeiALDqoCQDg&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA
lol it states the average bear in that region was only 490 pounds, roughly the same weights as the average lion or tiger.
Only time will tell, I'd still favour the lion over the bear at even 400 pounds advantage, since at parity or even near parity the lion would win with ease, being stronger in the frontal quarters being taller and more roubust in the shoulder area, while the bear only larger in the rump region, the bear in fact needs a large weight advantage just to break even, the only way if the bear would have a significant power/size adavantage is if the bear out weighs the lion by a 1,000 pounds, even that will do minimum since theres evidence that, that range of weight advandatges lead still to a dead bear:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cg...4&e=-------10--1----0lion+fights+bear+--&st=1
XD Wow some advantage the bear has at 1,000 pounds, couldn't even handle with ease a 160 pound cat. lol
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Actualy I prefer the discussion on that subject there, since I'm already familiar and know that you and welsh blok are just trolls and dumb ones at that.
I'm not the one to revive the bear discussion just carrying on when the other person posted 2 accounts of bear victories, I dont think me replying a little off topic can wager to how much you derail threads, stalk me and troll...not even by a mile.
lol
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It's not an opinion. Mean is another term for average.
When they say "mean weight" they are saying "average weight", it's the same thing.
Go look up mean, median and mode.
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