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P4EE 3.73@4.25 Wipe floor OF AMD 64

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Originally posted by: whatever
Originally posted by: Intelia
You guys are missing the point here . These are warranty parts . AMD is not going to warranty O/C . It is absolutly a PR stroke of genius.I am really quit shocked myself and David is in complete denial as he won't go near these cpu's . I am going to order the P4 3.73 and the with nvidia sli M/B and give them to him for fathers day. Just to see what he can do with them.
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and Intel isn't warrantying the CPU, Falcon is. Neither company will warranty OC.
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And you pay out the arse for that warranty! Pay a $1000 premium for a system that warranties a moderate O/C. Sounds like a great idea! Not!!!

 
"P4EE 3.73@4.25 Wipe floor OF AMD 64"


Well if at that speed it was still struggling then They HAVE problems.

What made you post this ? Yeah its half intresting but not totally out of the blue.

I just get the feeling your trying to...Provoke some sort of "outrage".

Not really fair unless you overclock the FX 55 by the same %.



 
No just pointing out that if Prescott would have scaled that there wouldn't be any true comp. Here Intel wins hands down. We all are aware of who is faster at stock speeds. How many times do I have to say that. All I am saying is the 65 nano Spring field could be interesting. Thats all .
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
No just pointing out that if Prescott would have scaled that there wouldn't be any true comp. Here Intel wins hands down. We all are aware of who is faster at stock speeds. How many times do I have to say that. All I am saying is the 65 nano Spring field could be interesting. Thats all .
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You truly are stupid....Think of it this way genius!!! There was a time when a northwood at 2.8ghz was as fast as the fastest 2.2ghz 3200+ AXP.....A 3.2ghz was way above the comp....NOw that sh^tty design needs to be 1.5ghz plus to be able to win and you think that is scaling well??? LOL....The design has gotten worse as it has gone along and shows this thing should have been put out to pasteur along time ago...K8 is great architecture...prescott is a fatal flaw..The northwood should haveeb die shrunk and it would have made it to 3.8ghz and done better...I would personally be cleaning house at Intel and firing most everyone involved in these mistakes over the last year and a half...

1) 30+ stage pipeline adding more latency...
2)added 2mb of cache to compensate but it is hampered by the huge latencies
3)way too hot
4) consumes way too much power...idle to load in the neighborhood of 1.8-1.9x the power with dual cores while amd has under 1.5x....

wake up and quit trying to spin the facts...
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
No just pointing out that if Prescott would have scaled that there wouldn't be any true comp. Here Intel wins hands down. We all are aware of who is faster at stock speeds. How many times do I have to say that. All I am saying is the 65 nano Spring field could be interesting. Thats all .
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FelixDeKat? is that really you? long time no see! btw, you're still an idiot, but hey, i missed talkin sh!t on you.
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
http://www.maximumpc.com/reviews/systems/review_2005-04-13a.html

Interesting read
If intel gets Presler 65 nanommtre process right this time around. Could be interesting.
The latest releases from intel are really getting interesting to say the least they all hit 4ghz quit easly .
Presler on a hopefully better 65 prosess should beable to hit 6GHz without much problem. If intel contiues leaving there top of the line cpu's unlocked this truely is a developing story. Now don't jump all over me on this but Presler is suppose to be a cross of between Prescott and Dothan core Shorter pipes. I can't believe Iam thinking this but maybe netburst isn't going away. Intel is actually not saying much on this . But they did spend billions on this tech. Davids reply to this information is BA hum bug . I am going against him this time I think this tree may be a late bloomer bearing great fruit.
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That's most queer.... I did not find any benchmarks on the site. No images that back up their words. How sad. It might as well be a great marketing deal: "You say that, we give you this. Thankyou for cooperating."
 
Intelia you're an idiot. Even suggesting ANY manufacture can reach 6 ghz "without much problem" is beyond stupid.

BTW, MaxPC is one of the biggest Intel fanboy mags anywhere. They consistently bellow on about Intel at every opportunity and only award AMD as being the best processor because they have no choice. For example, they stated a couple of months back that the P4 3.8 shows "incredible overclocking potential" but then did NO OVERCLOCKING of the chip and gave NO evidence of good overclocking at all! They also stated a while back that the BTX platform really came into its own WHEN THE CASE COVER WAS REMOVED. Those were their words. Intel fanboys, yep.
 
Moron strikes again. Intel, I don't see any benchmarks there. Do you? show me...where they at? No fuggin way a OC to only 4.2 pentium will beat a stock FX..

Here's one for ya..

Need 5.2 Ghz P4 to beat stock FX-55

Ouch! Better get phase and save for your power bills.

Toms Hardware did the same thing of getting an P4 3.2 Ghz running at 5GHZ (cooled by liquid Nitrogen )

Still the AMD won, only at 5.2 Ghz was it able to beat the 64 FX running at half the speed and stock.

That's pretty sad you need to overclock like a mad man and spend thousands using phase change to beat AMD's chips running stock... All I had to do in old Athlon-XP days was air overclock a little bit to beat the superior northwoods running stock.
 
You also need to keep in mind the cost of the Falcon system. WITHOUT A DISPLAY, the unit is $7000. Yea you read right, 7 GRAND. I don't know about anyone else, but I could build rocket ship of a system for that price.

Here are some of the benches. (there are not many details of the exact settings though)

- Sysmark 2004: 247
- Premiere Pro: 398 sec (some sort of custom script, no one else can reproduce the bench without the script they use)
- Photoshop CS (another custom bench)
- 3DMark05 game3: 50.9 fps
- Doom 3: 80 fps

MaxPC uses what they call a "zero point system" for comparison so I don't know the exact settings they use to bench, such as resolution and the like.

Anyway some numbers if people want to attempt to compare to other systems.
 
BTW, an SLI 6800GT setup overclocked to a core of 450 with an A64@2.8 gets about 54 fps on the GT3 test. In other words, a pretty average AMD SLI system with some overclocking beats a $7000 liquid cooled system. (the top 20 record holders in 3DMark05 are all AMD systems)
 
And the 20 top 2001, top 2005 and soon to be top pcmarks04 which #1 AMD already owns since someone clocked an X2... No compitition.
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Presler is suppose to be a cross of between Prescott and Dothan core Shorter pipes. I can't believe Iam thinking this but maybe netburst isn't going away.
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Sure, by throwing completely different architectures together, intel will once reign number one and balance will be restored to the universe. My bet is that your next post is: " hey guys, this new video card that got 5 Googolplex Bungholio marks, the Bitchin' fast 3D, and it's made from a hybrid Willamette/Coppermine core. Apparently it even is more extreme than than intel extreme graphics 2!!11!!!!11111!!."

Disclaimer: I'm not an AMD fanboy, nor an Intel one, i just buy what is best for price/perf. ratio, and right now that's AMD. Last generation I would have bought a P4C.

Also Intelia, keep in mind that, on an internet forum, you could be the nicest person in the world in real-life, but, on the web, you are judged solely on your knowledge base and articulation of your language.

 
Hey, I paid good money for my Bitchin' fast 3D card, don't make fun of me. If I could only get it to fit into my tripple height full tower case, I'd be in 2.5D heaven.
 
Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Hey, I paid good money for my Bitchin' fast 3D card, don't make fun of me. If I could only get it to fit into my tripple height full tower case, I'd be in 2.5D heaven.
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Oh yeah, well my Int3l Extr3m3 uB3r H4xX0rs integraterific BBQ edition beats your Bitchin' fast 3D by 50 parsecs from Coruscant to Kessel with its hyperdrive!

Wow i'm tired.
 
Dont know if it makes sense to feed the trolls, but although we all know that AMD beats Intel at the moment, Intel has done great Job in PR for 2006`s products. I mean from what ive read across the web i can tell u more about Presler and Yonah than about any of AMDs 2006 products. The only question is, if Intel can fullfill its promises. From what ive read this will be good occing CedarMills and Preslers with clockspeeds at about 2,8-3,4GHz. That one guy talking bout 6Ghz...never ever 😉. And the Yonahs going to be from 1,6-2,1GHz. From last 3 years history we know one thing for sure: AMD will allways be better choice, but...we will see 2006 and 2007 whats goin to happen.
 
Originally posted by: bcoupland
Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Hey, I paid good money for my Bitchin' fast 3D card, don't make fun of me. If I could only get it to fit into my tripple height full tower case, I'd be in 2.5D heaven.
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Oh yeah, well my Int3l Extr3m3 uB3r H4xX0rs integraterific BBQ edition beats your Bitchin' fast 3D by 50 parsecs from Coruscant to Kessel with its hyperdrive!

Wow i'm tired.
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all I can say is that my k1LL3r uB3r 1337 IbM 7h1nKp4D L4p70p w/ 8mb of ram pwns u all.
Eat Jezzball Biznitches!:disgust:
 
Technically the comparison is not so bad given that FX55 corresponds to A64 4200+ speed ratings. It would have been more fair to compare regular 6xx or 5xx series at 4.2ghz. I always used to laugh when websites compare 6 series 3.6ghz and 5 series 3.8ghz to FX55 or A64 4000+ and say that they lose. Well no Sh*t. Why don't we compare P4 3.6 to A64 3600+? Obviously FX55 is the fastest single threaded processor since there is no P4 4.2ghz. It should win every single benchmark. I do agree that A64 processors shine for price/performance and overclocking. But I dont think Intel is doing as bad as people make it out to be just because they cant achieve past 3.8ghz. If they could get to 4.2ghz they would probably be a lot closer in performance. Since they cant, they have to price their slower line processors that can make it to market ie. 3.6 and 3.8ghz at levels that 4.0 and 4.2ghz models should have been priced at. Just a loss for consumers if you ask me...

Finally, most people who own high end chips have high end videocards. In which case, they probably play at high resolutions and settings. Then processor speed does not count as long as you have something above P4 3.0/A64 3000+ ghz. In the past cpu speed mattered, now it's 90% videocard. Until games start to utilize dual-core and multi-core processor speeds, people should honestly stop stressing cpu speed so much for gaming (a forte for AMD). In reality, there is no difference between amd and intel at gaming because the videocard either chokes in both or the game plays just as smooth on both systems 🙂 ... until R520/G70 come out that is.
 
If you'd read the post up a bit in the thread, you'd know that it actually took a 5.2ghz clock speed to finally best the FX-55 (at stock). 4.2 was still embarassing..
And many games do prove to be CPU limited. If they weren't, there would be absolutely no difference in benchmark scores if you used all high end processors. It's only in the very newest games where higher end video cards offer much larger performance boosts than a faster CPU.
 
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