P4 or Celeron for developers?

[Sunner]

Seems stupid to upgrade from 1.8/2.0 GHz computers to 2.4 GHz ones, even if the new ones are P4C's, it just won't be that noticeable.
At least go with 3 GHz boxes if you want to upgrade, that way at least the devs will notice.

Oh and 1 Gig per box of course

 

[ugh]

Sunner: It's not so much of upgrading. Those specs will be used as a baseline for new PC purchases.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: ugh
Sunner: It's not so much of upgrading. Those specs will be used as a baseline for new PC purchases.

So at least you aren't throwing out current boxes in favor of those new boxes? Phew

 

[Mavrick007]

If they must create a baseline for new pc purchases, make sure that it's not the celeron.
You would be taking steps backward from what you have. Either that or don't upgrade right now.

Make them realize that the straight P4 is the direction you should go. Even if it's just a bit faster P4 than what you have now. Increase the ram to as much as you can, such as 1gig, and you will have a lot
peppier machine.

Heh And if they do go with a celery, try to keep one of the old machines for yourself, but scavenge the ram of the new machines

 

[ugh]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: ugh
Sunner: It's not so much of upgrading. Those specs will be used as a baseline for new PC purchases.

So at least you aren't throwing out current boxes in favor of those new boxes? Phew

Nopes, at least that's what I'm told. If I am, I'm gonna bi*ch slap them all the way back to their mumma's house.

Mavrick007: Strange thing is that they've proposed 1.2Ghz Banias with 1GB RAM for the notebooks. LIKE DUH. Mostly managers use notebooks and 512 is MORE than enough. Whatever they're smoking, I'd like to have some for the fun of it RAMs are good, but I do need a dual display for my work though

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: ugh

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: ugh
Sunner: It's not so much of upgrading. Those specs will be used as a baseline for new PC purchases.

So at least you aren't throwing out current boxes in favor of those new boxes? Phew

Nopes, at least that's what I'm told. If I am, I'm gonna bi*ch slap them all the way back to their mumma's house.

Mavrick007: Strange thing is that they've proposed 1.2Ghz Banias with 1GB RAM for the notebooks. LIKE DUH. Mostly managers use notebooks and 512 is MORE than enough. Whatever they're smoking, I'd like to have some for the fun of it RAMs are good, but I do need a dual display for my work though

Yeah it sucks when managers decide what to get, they should just leave that to us techies.
Our former CFO didn't like the HPaq notebooks we have standardized on, so he used his "uber powers" to get an IBM instead.
Another fvcker who's completely computer illiterate thought his ~2.2 KG notebook was too heavy, so he found some cute little HPaq Evo without a cdrom, took about a week or two for his to fvck it up, brilliant, PITA to reinstall that notebook :|

 

[baumerz]

just got a new Dell at work.......Celeron w/a 16MB ATI Rage Ultra 128 card!!!!!!! Really sucks....even for just using it for e-mail and internet.

 

[ugh]

Sunner: On the contrary, my mgr is a really cool person. He actually listens and values our opinion So I guess my opinion/recommendation should hold some weight.

 

[Abhi]

Show your manager this thread

 

[Twsmit]

Just wondering if anyone has taken into concideration what type of P4's theese are and what type of ram.

They could very much be socket 478 willamettes wunning on SDRAM. If thats the case the celeron would be an upgrade. Though if they are running on RDRAM or SC DDR then like everyone said the celeron is crap. The devil is in the details, and we need more details.....

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: baumerz
just got a new Dell at work.......Celeron w/a 16MB ATI Rage Ultra 128 card!!!!!!! Really sucks....even for just using it for e-mail and internet.

yeh, and dell could buy a athlon xp 2500 wich would bitchify a pentium 4 2.4ghz, much less a celeron 2.6 that costs more than the athlon xp 2500. i will never understand why they chose to put such poor performing chips when you have a MUCH faster alternative for cheaper.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: baumerz
just got a new Dell at work.......Celeron w/a 16MB ATI Rage Ultra 128 card!!!!!!! Really sucks....even for just using it for e-mail and internet.

yeh, and dell could buy a athlon xp 2500 wich would bitchify a pentium 4 2.4ghz, much less a celeron 2.6 that costs more than the athlon xp 2500. i will never understand why they chose to put such poor performing chips when you have a MUCH faster alternative for cheaper.

but the AMD is only 1.83Ghz, and the celeron is 2.4...how can it be MUCH faster?

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Twsmit
Just wondering if anyone has taken into concideration what type of P4's theese are and what type of ram.

They could very much be socket 478 willamettes wunning on SDRAM. If thats the case the celeron would be an upgrade. Though if they are running on RDRAM or SC DDR then like everyone said the celeron is crap. The devil is in the details, and we need more details.....

I don't think anyone seels P4's with SDRAM anymore, at least not Dell.

 

[Twsmit]

he said they are older boxes that they are going to replace. Everyone seems to assume they are DDR boxes, i have a hunch they are SDRAM boxes.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Twsmit
he said they are older boxes that they are going to replace. Everyone seems to assume they are DDR boxes, i have a hunch they are SDRAM boxes.

And they will still bitchify the Celerys.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Twsmit
he said they are older boxes that they are going to replace. Everyone seems to assume they are DDR boxes, i have a hunch they are SDRAM boxes.

And they will still bitchify the Celerys.

Actually I think a Willy P4 with PC-133 vs a Celery would be the battle of the Titans.

 

[ugh]

Originally posted by: Twsmit
Just wondering if anyone has taken into concideration what type of P4's theese are and what type of ram.

They could very much be socket 478 willamettes wunning on SDRAM. If thats the case the celeron would be an upgrade. Though if they are running on RDRAM or SC DDR then like everyone said the celeron is crap. The devil is in the details, and we need more details.....

That's a very good question. I haven't bothered to check that out. Will revert on this.

 

[Zebo]

A64 destroys all comers in development.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: ugh

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: ugh
VirtualLarry: Believe it or not, the machine which mechBgon recommended has nearly the same spec as a "server". I just can't believe where they get these "experts" from..

Well, yes, the 400SC's are "servers" according to Dell, but they make decent workstation machines too, and Dell often runs a deep-discount promotion on them, making them a decent deal, as I understand it. (And from reading about several long threads in the Hot Deals forum about them in the past.) I've not worked with a 400SC model myself though.

I would expect servers to be Xeon based. Unless I'm getting old in Intel technology {g}

AMDHardcoreFan: Since we're buying from Dell, I don't think we can get any AMD based systems from them. Which sux eggs...

Xeon proper is effectively a Pentium4 that's dual-capable. Xeon DP and Xeon MP are different, of course. The other attraction to the 400SC is that you can get it with SCSI. I'm not a developer, but from what I understand, it can be quite disk-intensive in the fashion that SCSI revels in where ATA drives are tripping over their tongues. And then there's the long lifespan and reliability of SCSI drives, too. I :heart: my SCSI drives even for daily-driver stuff, and when it is time for the heavy I/O, they can really cut loose

If you must get a Dell, make it a good Dell, is what I say.

 

[ugh]

Gahh.. Just found out that these 1.8 Willamette I've been using is running on SDRAM... PC133 baby

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: ugh
Gahh.. Just found out that these 1.8 Willamette I've been using is running on SDRAM... PC133 baby

My condolences On the bright side, if you get a good computer to replace it, it's going to just seem that much perkier

 

[ugh]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: ugh
Gahh.. Just found out that these 1.8 Willamette I've been using is running on SDRAM... PC133 baby

My condolences On the bright side, if you get a good computer to replace it, it's going to just seem that much perkier

Thanks dude. I doubt that even "upgrading" to a 2.4 Celery will help much.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: ugh
Gahh.. Just found out that these 1.8 Willamette I've been using is running on SDRAM... PC133 baby

Man, the guys handling purchases at your office must suck...I'd fire myself for buying a P4/SDRAM combo.

 

[ugh]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: ugh
Gahh.. Just found out that these 1.8 Willamette I've been using is running on SDRAM... PC133 baby

Man, the guys handling purchases at your office must suck...I'd fire myself for buying a P4/SDRAM combo.

I'd fire myself too if I were them. Their choices could be due to some budget constraints.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: ugh

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: ugh
Gahh.. Just found out that these 1.8 Willamette I've been using is running on SDRAM... PC133 baby

Man, the guys handling purchases at your office must suck...I'd fire myself for buying a P4/SDRAM combo.

I'd fire myself too if I were them. Their choices could be due to some budget constraints.

How about HP d325's? AthlonXP, nForce2 with dual-VGA onboard... linkie

Also, I noticed in your first post the remark about the 1MB L2 on the P4. It unfortunately is counteracted by the longer 31-stage pipeline, so the 1MB of L2 really doesn't get you anywhere compared to a Northwood-core P4C with 512kb L2 but a shorter 20-stage pipeline.