P&Ns middle name is and

[KMFJD]

 

[Phenzyn]

 

[SKORPI0]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

The poster is real, in the sense that it exists in a physical form; however, it was not created by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, nor was it on display at one of the museum’s exhibits.
You can see a price tag in the bottom right corner of the viral image. Sarah Rose, who first shared the photograph on social media, confirmed to us that she took the picture in the museum’s gift shop. We reached out to the USHHM to confirm that it sold a poster showing “early warning signs of fascism,” and they told us that the museum no longer carries the poster.

 

[Phenzyn]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

WHAT'S TRUE
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum at one point included a poster listing the early warning signs of encroaching fascism.

WHAT'S FALSE
The list was for sale in the gift shop, not on display at the museum, and is no longer available at that venue.

Still 100% relevant and frankly, needed to be seen now more than ever. What exactly is your point? That because it was only a display item that it isn't relevant? It doesn't claim to be anything more than a display item

EDIT: Oh, so on reddit they say "but the cropping off of the price tag makes this post's caption misleading." No it doesn't. I don't care if it's something for sale at the gift shop in the museum or a display, everything on the list is valid and honestly this has no bearing on it's validity. The only people that might want to ignore the validity of the list as it stands against the museum would be Pro-Trump supporters.

 

[Phenzyn]

There - the Holocaust Museum aspect of the pic is completely irrelevant to the list's relevance any way. Trump Humping fascists can now argue the list's points instead of something irrelevant to the list's points

 

[Victorian Gray]

 

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[Paratus]

Which school shootings were committed with "automatic weapons?"

Lol you can't just count semi-auto as auto... It's by definition a completely different thing. The average Hooter's waitress knows that.

It’s pretty funny that they don’t know the difference between semi auto and fully automatic.

Although strangely I think what was bothering them the most was not the types of gun used but the killing of school children.

Like you could sit them down and say hey I get your upset about this but it’s not that bad because those kids weren’t killed by fully automatic weapons, only semi-auto or pump action. We do restrict fully automatic weapons, so don’t feel so bad.

Yet they would still feel upset about the dead kids.

 

[TallBill]

It’s pretty funny that they don’t know the difference between semi auto and fully automatic.

Although strangely I think what was bothering them the most was not the types of gun used but the killing of school children.

Like you could sit them down and say hey I get your upset about this but it’s not that bad because those kids weren’t killed by fully automatic weapons, only semi-auto or pump action. We do restrict fully automatic weapons, so don’t feel so bad.

Yet they would still feel upset about the dead kids.

My commentary had nothing to do with the tweet. It does have something to do with the lack of knowledge of firearms, a common theme among those who want more restrictions and laws. "Common sense" gun laws lack quite a bit of common sense.

And shooting up schools is not a part of American culture. It is reprehensible and terrible, but a statistical outlier. Part of the reason why stopping the next one becomes so much more difficult.

By the way, I'd argue that automatic weapons are very likely less deadly in most situations than semi-automatic weapons. The DOD changed manufacture of the M16 in Vietnam because of wasted ammunition and decreased accuracy. Trained shooters do not use their M4A1's on auto in combat.

 

[Paratus]

My commentary had nothing to do with the tweet. It does have something to do with the lack of knowledge of firearms, a common theme among those who want more restrictions and laws. "Common sense" gun laws lack quite a bit of common sense.

And shooting up schools is not a part of American culture. It is reprehensible and terrible, but a statistical outlier. Part of the reason why stopping the next one becomes so much more difficult.

By the way, I'd argue that automatic weapons are very likely less deadly in most situations than semi-automatic weapons. The DOD changed manufacture of the M16 in Vietnam because of wasted ammunition and decreased accuracy. Trained shooters do not use their M4A1's on auto in combat.

Ok. Glad to hear it.

I agree there is a lack of knowledge about firearms by the public in general. I think that general lack of knowledge is used to ignore the underlying message about schools shootings and guns by those who do understand guns.

I’m not sure I agree that it’s not part of our culture. It happens here a couple of orders of magnitude more often than anywhere else. So if it’s not a unique part of our culture I don’t have a a good hypothesis why it happens here more often.

That being said I’ve told my kids they shouldn’t be afraid of it happening to them as it’s still an extremely unlikely event, even after the Santa Fe TX shooting took place about 10 miles from our home and the following Monday a kid brought a hand gun to my daughters school. (My daughter actually knew the kid who brought it. Last year in band he told her she should be at home doing his laundry after she got first chair. Lovely kid)

Finally I’m also aware that full auto is less accurate and more wasteful than semi-auto or burst, (haven’t they moved away from three round burst as well?). Although arguing that semi-autos are more deadly doesn’t help the no need for gun control argument.

As an aside the arguments over rapid fire vs single fire has been going on since at least the ancient Greeks. Historians found writings by Greek generals arguing that the newly designed hoppers that automatically reloaded their ballista would just allow the grunts to fire away not carefully choosing targets and wasting ammunition.

 

[mikeymikec]

I started another thread wrt gun control in case you're interested:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/sorry-another-gun-control-thread.2549426/

 

[TallBill]

Paratus and I are having a perfectly fine conversation here.

Anyways, how many tens of millions of students are there in the United States and how many students are killed yearly?

I've looked it up before but busy right now with my son. It's a statistical outlier, especially in terms of tracking is as part of our culture.

One thing in common though, each shooter has plenty of information on "successful" attacks including building layouts, method used, etc. We don't get a fancy diagram when the cops stop a shooter.

 

[TallBill]

I started another thread wrt gun control in case you're interested:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/sorry-another-gun-control-thread.2549426/

Nope. Tracking this thread is fine.

 

[brycejones]

Nope. Tracking this thread is fine.

This thread is for very limited discussion, its primary purpose is for posting memes since they were over running the other threads. Typically people make a few comments at most and move on.

Just an FYI since you've decided to jump into the P&N crazy show.

 

[TallBill]

This thread is for very limited discussion, its primary purpose is for posting memes since they were over running the other threads. Typically people make a few comments at most and move on.

Just an FYI since you've decided to jump into the P&N crazy show.

So I should create a new thread to reply to you? I would love this precedent.

 

[purbeast0]

This is fucking great, especially considering this came from Macaulay Culkin himself.

https://twitter.com/IncredibleCulk/status/1010619625653002240

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[Jhhnn]

 

[Ichinisan]

It’s pretty funny that they don’t know the difference between semi auto and fully automatic.

Although strangely I think what was bothering them the most was not the types of gun used but the killing of school children.

Like you could sit them down and say hey I get your upset about this but it’s not that bad because those kids weren’t killed by fully automatic weapons, only semi-auto or pump action. We do restrict fully automatic weapons, so don’t feel so bad.

Yet they would still feel upset about the dead kids.

They believe "semi-auto" is some kind of gun that should be banned in societies where guns aren't completely banned.

 

[KMFJD]

 

[TallBill]