P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[NOS440]

DarkMajiq bite me !!!!!!!!! of coarse I know but it got a rise out of you didn't it !!!



MrDudeMan your real bright read !! the whole thing over again he has been wrong repeatedly period !!!! and the P-4 doesn't Suck YOU DO !!!!!!!!

 

[Zephyr]

<< that there major downfall comes with there motherboards. >>


I beg to differ.. the KT133 is in my experience an very good and mature platform. Yes it's a little picky about ram still, but I don't really see this as a major issue as long as you are aware of it. If I have some ram that are too low quality to run in a KT133 I wouldn't wanna be using it in other systems either. (well maybe in cheap sparepart junk systems, but none that I wanted to be able to rely on)

 

[NOS440]

Al right everyone I'm going to fess up !!!!!!! I don't even own a P-4 or any intel product. I don't even own a PC. I'm doing all this over Web TV......... Boy don't you all feel Silly now ????

 

[HardwareAddicted]

Ok....maybe this will get through that thick skull of yours....



<< No 1.3GHz Athlon on Monday
January 25th, 2001 1:41 PM - Anand Lal Shimpi

I'm working on putting up a review of EPoX's KT133A board right now, you should see it later today but I thought I'd just clear up something that's been floating around. No, the 1.3GHz AMD Athlon will not be launched on Monday. It's funny how rumors spread like wildfire

AMD is more than content with the performance of their 1.2GHz Athlon versus the Pentium 4 1.5GHz and our review definitely backs up that feeling of security. When there's a need to release the 1.3GHz Athlon, AMD will do it, but don't expect that to be in the near future unless Intel bumps up the release of the 1.7GHz Pentium 4. Things will be very interesting once Northwood hits, but until then it doesn't seem like the Pentium 4 has much of a chance to compete.

I just didn't want you all to get your hopes up for no reason.

Take care

>>




That of course is the founder of this great site talking, Anand.
Now tell me how wrong he is and what you do for a living again....?

That's what I thought.

Give it up NOS, your just making an ass of yourself.

 

[NOS440]

What's the Default voltage on a T-Bird 1.2 ghz ????

 

[Zephyr]

NOS: 1.75 Vcore

 

[frustrated2]

Come on certainly there must be more comments to go in here?? Lets get to 300 and beyond

 

[Compellor]

I think Tim Sweeny said it best when he said:

&quot;In current apps, the 1.5 GHz P4 ends up being about equivalant to a 1.1 GHz Athlon.&quot;

And on gaming...

&quot;The Unreal engine is pretty sensitive to both memory latency and memory bandwidth. The P4's Rambus focus is OK for this, but it's not optimal. I expect DDR will perform better for most of the high-performance 3D games on the market.&quot;

Enough said. Time to eat your words, NOS440.

Sweeney on the Pentium 4

 

[NOS440]

Compellor DDR has proven to do very little for the Thunderbird and it also is hardly Available and Also must be having problems with development !!!!!!!! DDR is a Bandaid that is leaking and will not save the Thunderbird at all you better go read some more and get your facts straight. Go eat your own words. Heck I just read a review that stated it would be a better dollar value to invest in the latest SDR chipset Motherboard than a DDR because of the slim performance gain compared to cost of the Upgrade. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NOS440]

hmmmm 1.75 volts is the 1.3 ghz going to be the new revision Pala whatever or is it the regular T-Bird ???

If its the Regular that would mean 68.2 watts to power that Beast I think I would have to stay away from that !!!!!!! P-4 = 54 watts at 1.5 GHZ now thats good engineering there.

What is the Pala whatever suppose to do for the Thunderbird ???

 

[frustrated2]

Compellor

I will answer this for NOS as I have played unreal on his computer. I have never seen Unreal run as nice as it does on the p4. Remember my system is no slouch I have a p3 at 933 on a cusl2 with a geforce 2 gts and it does run it well but not even close to the way the p4 runs it. You would really be impressed also with the speed at which the computer opens Unreal and changes levels. It is truly impressive.

 

[frustrated2]

Also I understand that Tim Sweeney is an expert on this sort of thing I am only going by my experience on seeing Unreal and other games run on several different systems the p4 is really a monster for playing games and the price was right on the setup. I think I can speak for NOS as well as myself and say NEITHER of us would have even thought about owning a p4 unless we got a good deal on the stuff. I certainly wouldn't buy one for retail prices and I don't think there are many people right now that will but for what we paid we would have spent a very similiar amount buying an AMD machine.
If you all would have gotten these for what we did you would have them to.

 

[frustrated2]

Not to mention you have got to love listening to Winamp while playing Quake 3 or Unreal tournament

 

[frustrated2]

without any hit in performance

 

[NOS440]

Settle down dude LOL!!!!!!!!!

 

[Compellor]

frustrated2:

Well, I just posted that bit of info since I found it interesting. It's not to say that the P4 won't be great. In a way, I kind of miss my old Pentium 2 rig. That thing was rock stable: P2 350 MHz/Soyo 6BA BX mobo/128 MB PC100/Canopus Spectra 2500 TNT -- a sweet machine in its day. I may build my next gaming rig around the P4. The prices are going to have to drop, though. Also, any incompatiblites/bugs are going to be have to be worked out (if any). It's just too early to even think about it now.

 

[frustrated2]

Compellor
I can't possibly see how you could be disapointed with a p4 gaming rig or p4 anything rig for that matter. Unless you do hours, days, months, years, decades, millenia of some sort of mathmatical calculations ???? Like I said if you can get the right price on one you will be amazed at how fast it is and there are no issues to arise just yet that I am aware of. The chip and the platform run great we played all sorts of games on NOS's lastnight at it just ran and ran with winamp playing at the same time might I add

Ya it seems that most or all of the Intel computers of the era that you are speaking of seem to be really stable.

 

[DarkMajiq]

<<I thought Anandtech also uses some Athlon powered servers...?>>

Yes, but they power the front end, the main Anandtech site, not the forums.

<<Not to mention you have got to love listening to Winamp while playing Quake 3 or Unreal tournament without any hit in performance>>

There isn't any on the Athlon. Hell, there isn't even a performance hit listening to Winamp while playing games on my friend's PIII 500MHz, and barely any on my PII 233@307.

<<Compellor
I can't possibly see how you could be disapointed with a p4 gaming rig or p4 anything rig for that matter. Unless you do hours, days, months, years, decades, millenia of some sort of mathmatical calculations ????>>

Not just huge mathematical calculations, any mathematical calculations. Maybe Compellor is a physics major or something and that's part of what he needs in a computer. Maybe he needs to compile MPEG videos. Maybe he just doesn't havbe the money to burn on a P4.

<<Like I said if you can get the right price on one>>

Why bother going through a hassle of doing that when you could get an T-Bird 1.2GHz a lot easier and probably still cheaper? As we've established, it beats the P4 in nearly everything.

 

[frustrated2]

Dark Majik we don't run our games at 640 X 480 we use them at 1024 X 768 with all the extras turned on. The machines your talking about won't even run the game right at this resolution let alone with winamp turned on so you should roll over, pinch yourself, throw some cold water on your face or whatever it is that you do in order to wake yourself up from daydreaming

As for the athlon beating the p4 at everything once again you better start sleeping at night so that you don't fall a sleep during the day and have these crazy dreams. You need to read the right review over at Tom's hardware and you will see the p4 putting a monster trouncing on the athlon.
Also do you need word excel or powerpoint to run faster?? If so then get an athlon and you must be one hell of a typist/secretary.

 

[Octoberblue]

AMD vs Intel:

I grew up in Bristol, TN; home of &quot;the world's fastest half-mile&quot;, Bristol Motor Speedway, and undisputed NASCAR stronghold. Not a big fan myself, but it's funny to look at the parallels.

As a kid I remember hearing old guys arguing about which was better: Ford or Chevy. Never really understood that b/c I figured if it was what you liked and it won a few races, great. Why make a big deal out of arguing about it?

It's funny because it's all about speed with racecars and computers, and AMD and Intel are without doubt the Ford and Chevy of the digital age.

If I had a million bucks I'd build insanely souped-up systems with both AMD and Intel and race them against each other all day like a madman.

Well, I have to say I guess I get it better now than I used to. These are two smokin' processors; and as it turns out it's kind of fun to argue about which one's better.

 

[DarkMajiq]

<< Dark Majik we don't run our games at 640 X 480 >>

I don't run at 640x480 either, even on my PII 233@307.

<< we use them at 1024 X 768 with all the extras turned on. >>

I'm extremely happy for you.

<< The machines your talking about won't even run the game right at this resolution let alone with winamp turned on >>

I never said they would, and you never said anything about 1024x768 or having all extras turned on. If you had, I wouldn't have made the point I did. Oh, and I'll have you know that my friend's PIII 500MHz with only a lowly 16MB TNT card runs quite respectably at 1024x768x32 with most detail options on. And with Winamp on.

<< so you should roll over, pinch yourself, throw some cold water on your face or whatever it is that you do in order to wake yourself up from daydreaming >>

I'm not daydreaming. It's you that's daydreaming. You're trying to justify the huge cost of that sh1tty-ass P4 you bought by claiming that it offers a huge performance boost, which it most obviously does not.

<< As for the athlon beating the p4 at everything once again you better start sleeping at night so that you don't fall a sleep during the day and have these crazy dreams. >>

I may not sleep a lot at night, but I don't need to, and I almost never have trouble falling asleep during the day or daydreaming.

<< You need to read the right review over at Tom's hardware and you will see the p4 putting a monster trouncing on the athlon. >>

Yeah, in about 2 benchmarks. The rest are either extremely close between the 2 with Athlon on top slightly or P4 on top slightly, or the Athlon laying a pounding on the P4. There are a lot more where the Athlon kicks the crap out of the P4 than where the P4 trounces the Athlon. And read nearly any review, or the comments of our own Anand, and they will say the P4 is not up to competing with the 1.2GHz Athlon.

<< Also do you need word excel or powerpoint to run faster?? >>

Yes, I do actually. I use them all a lot.

<< If so then get an athlon and you must be one hell of a typist/secretary. >>

I have a T-Bird. Greatest thing since sliced bread. And yes, I am a damned good typist.

Oh, and something I forgot to mention in my last post, have you ever heard of the Edit function frustrated? Or maybe of typing everything up at once instead of making 4 consectutive posts?

<< If I had a million bucks I'd build insanely souped-up systems with both AMD and Intel and race them against each other all day like a madman. >>

Sounds like fun!

 

[Fatdog]

Geeze, are you still beating this horse? The poor thing has died, gone to the butcher and been served as dog food. Give it a rest.

Darkmajic, he has to justify his overpriced dead end system somehow, and by trolling here it gives him some sense of purpose.

Just ignore him.

 

[MrDudeMan]

everytime i read a post from NOS i thing he just gets dumber. im not a mean person at all, but come on you can smell an idiot like this from a mile away with a stuffed up nose. just shutup man, no one likes you and your witty remarks. both systems are good, they both perform well. the average user that isnt compiling programs the size of windows 2000 is NEVER!!!!!! going to notice a difference between a duron 1gig and a p4 1.5, ive used both and there IS NO DIFFERENCE in normal applications that 99% of the people use. i dont need all these nifty little facts about the bus and the vcore. i am basing this on experience. if it was my choice id buy whichever was easier to get just because i like them both. now shutup NOS, get a life, and try to make yourself usefull.

 

[PCFreak]

AMd's motherboard support is it's only and major downfall nothing else. Why else would ppl complain? Because the motherboards produce the problems that ppl have not the cpu's!!! The T-bird is a great cpu. I've had several via chipset based mobo's. As an example I used an ASUS P3V4x for a short while until I tried to use a Geforce 2 GTS with it. Every few min the system would lock for no reason. Although the system worked perfectly fine with a Geforce 1 DDR. Also when the T-bird 1 ghz came out I bought one along with an ASUS A7V which refused to let me run AGP4X. Every time it would lock my system up with the Via 4in1's installed. Anyway to say the least I went back to my intel setup and didn't have a single problem. Regardless the T-Bird is a great cpu but it's major downfall as I'm saying again and again is AMD's support of there chipsets! They shouldn't let 3rd party ppl make there chipsets period!!!

 

[Priit]

frustrated2: you saying that you need a P4 for playing an MP3 backround when running Quake3 without remarkable performance hit ? I was able to do that on K6-2/450 with TnT1, too Now I can play Quake3 on 1024x768 with most eye-candy turned on running RC-5 AND MP3 backround without any problems. Oh yeah, I just don't play under that complicated mouse driver called OS by M$ WTF those guys from M$ are calling multitasking when you need 1,5Ghz JUST TO LISTEN MP3 ON BACKROUND WHEN GAMING WITHOUT NOTICEABLE PERFORMANCE HIT ????

I guess we should take another thread for that problem....