P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[frustrated2]

Zephyr what is AFAIK?????

 

[Zephyr]

since some people here keeps bashing the AMD750 chipset and original K7 you obviously did not understand my previous attempts to explain that you shouldn't be blaming AMD for problems with this combo, but blame your mobo manufacturer!!!

 

[Zephyr]

AFAIK = As Far As I Know

 

[NOS440]

I think I addressed this issue with you before. hell I don't care about them anymore anyway's !!!!!!!

 

[frustrated2]

Zephyr I find your posts oh so intelligent and funny to read

Now on to the 750 chipset problems I understand that these chipsets were integrated by the motherboard manufacturers and I also know that they were produced by AMD.

I will ask the question again: How many BAD platforms have these reputable motherboard manufacturers produced since the 750 based boards???
I am speaking of ASUS, Gigabyte, and Abit and I guess you could through in MSI as well.

So how many are there since then???

 

[Priit]

AFAIK at least some (if not half) of the Anand's servers were powered by T-birds. I don't remeber were they webservers or powered forums, but they were certainly there. Calling somebody moron doesn't make them dissapear.

Okay, maybe the first Athlon chipsets/processors were troublesome (I haven't owned any so can't say for sure), but so were the first PPro's and early Pentiums were utter crap. So what ? What's the point whining about the past when both company's have their newer and better products out ?

 

[NOS440]

Pritt this is a link to the facts Here and your correct there are 4 Intel and 4 AMD. But that is not what were talking or ragging him about he said the forums are run by T-Birds when in fact they are completely run by "INTEL INSIDE" and they work flawlessly of coarse I might add.

 

[Zephyr]

<< So how many are there since then??? >>


How about some i820 boards?

Anyway to answer your question, it would appear as if the mobo manufacturers did a much better job when they had learned the ways of the EV6, with that said I many AMD750 boards ran just fine. It was limited to a few revisions of a few boards, most of it solvable through bios flash upgrades. I'm on a MSI 6167 right now, rev. 1.0 and it's rock stable! Pretty good for &quot;a comlete beta product&quot;

 

[Zephyr]

<< and they work flawlessly of coarse I might add. >>


Actually I've been getting &quot;high load&quot; server errors from time to time here on the the forums... but that figures I guess *LOL*

 

[NOS440]

when was this before the upgrade ??? I haven't had any since

 

[frustrated2]

Attention everyone Dexion has left the building due to a AMDBSOD

 

[Priit]

Well, the web server running on Athlons are looking just as stable&amp;fast to me than those boxes with blue stickers powering the forums. If I would have to build&amp;configure servers like the ones Anandtech is running, I would probably take a handful of Duron-boxes, put them into cluster and ran linux with beowolf on them or left the pathetic x86 archidecture at all. Intel or AMD, I would NEVER trust M$'ts crapware to power any kind of servers...


just my $0.02

 

[Zephyr]

<< when was this before the upgrade ??? I haven't had any since >>


It was two days ago IIRC

 

[Priit]

frustrated2, I have screensaver made of BSOD's on Intel platvorm. Do you know how fancy BSOD's you can get thanks to infamous F00F or HLT bug ?

 

[frustrated2]

No Priit you send that to me.

 

[Priit]

frustrated2, that funny piece of software is part from the Xscreesaver package. You probably can't get it run on Windblows (probably would cause a BSOD )... It's freely downloadable in many places if you truly are interested thougt...

 

[frustrated2]

Is 241 some kind of record??

 

[MrDudeMan]

i just read through all of this. nos you are a bastard, hate to say it. even if dexion was wrong, which i dont think he was....its not cool to rub it in his face. you need to lighten up.
its said that this post has a moral issue in it, besides the fact that the p4 SUCKS

 

[Compellor]

<< Also let me add I and NOS run FULL multimedia computers. To clarify the vocabulary thing again when I say full I mean all pci slots are full with the following items: modem, TV card, DVD decoder card, network card, and soundcard. You can put the whole lot of them in and just let windows configure them without a hitch. Now that is what I call a smooth running ROCK STABLE system and it ain't named AMD. >>



So is mine. The reason I bought a Duron over a T-Bird was that I was a little short on cash at the time, but a T-Bird is on the horizon. I have a TV card, network card, sound card (soon to be getting a DVD decoder card), and all setup without a hitch on my ABIT KT7. In fact, I'm using the same components that came out of my old P2 system: I'm using the same 2 1/2 year old 300 watt P/S (not AMD approved) and case, and my old Diamond Monster MX300 (Vortex 2) sound card, which is supposedly &quot;incompatible&quot; with the VIA KT133 chipset, same old PC 100 RAM, same TV card, etc. Maybe the fact that I upgraded instead of buying everything new helped, but this system is really solid (just like my old P2 350). I had to tweak it, of course, just like my previous Intel rig.

It's not to say I just put everything in at first and it ran perfect; I read about the potential problems BEFOREHAND, so, I knew what to encounter. But, the same would go for an Intel system, too. I've found that 99% of the time it's an OS issue; &quot;Plug and Pray&quot; was a nightmare on every Intel system I had prior to my current AMD rig. I blame that $hit on Microsoft -- not Intel.

 

[Hanky]

You guys are unbelieveable!
Well...does this one end in a tie now or do you continue?

 

[Hanky]

Btw...something about stability from unlikely sources:
I once had a very cheap PC Chips board with a SiS Socket7 chipset and some cheap no-name PC100 RAM and a K6-2/400. Well, it did not run as rock solid as my current K7T Pro2/T-Bird setup (which just survived 5 full days of numerical calculations...that means 5 days of almost full load for CPU, chipset, RAM and no crash!), but it ran very solid.

So, my heart beats for AMD but I fear that the P4 technology will be a good thing for Intel in the long term. Remember the PPro? It also was bashed in the beginning but everything was forgotten when the PII came out. So, while the P4 is a CPU which is a little bit ahead of its time and only for people with way too much money, its successor will be a different story if history repeats itself.

 

[DarkMajiq]

NOS: Do you know why there are less problems with the forums now? Not because they're running on Intel. They always have been. If you'd read that article, you would have known that. You would also know that the forums are running faster now because they added another server to run them, upgraded the database server which runs them, and also changed the hard drives and their configurations. So don't say that the improved performance of the forums is because they're on Intel processors. Idiot.

 

[Hanky]

I thought Anandtech also uses some Athlon powered servers...?

 

[PCFreak]

Simply put AMD didn't take care and invest time into there mobo/chipsets and they let 3rd party makers do there job bascially. The reason being the 3rd party ppl do whatever they wish without amd's approval. OH lets make the chip very low cost and cut the corners and let the consumer worry about incompatiblitys etc. And the fact that the info flow between amd and the 3rd party ppl ain't exactly that good. Last min updates recall's bs like that. AMD should make there own chipsets and make them very dam good without any problems. The T-birds are good cpu's just that there major downfall comes with there motherboards.

 

[PCFreak]

Simply put AMD didn't take care and invest time into there mobo/chipsets and they let 3rd party makers do there job bascially. The reason being the 3rd party ppl do whatever they wish without amd's approval. OH lets make the chip very low cost and cut the corners and let the consumer worry about incompatiblitys etc. And the fact that the info flow between amd and the 3rd party ppl ain't exactly that good. Last min updates recall's bs like that. AMD should make there own chipsets and make them very dam good without any problems. The T-birds are good cpu's just that there major downfall comes with there motherboards.

DOh Double post!!