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Originally posted by: ixelion
does not giving to other's make me a bad person
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By the op's definition of morality then yes it makes you a bad person because you do not contribute to the "overall good" of mankind. This is wrong for the reasons I stated in my previous post.

plus what kind of giving is good?
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Anything that promotes the survivability of others. Under this definition, convincing others' of your particular brand of morality promotes your own survivability but not necessarily that of the others', i.e. Christian missionaries in colonial Africa <--this is similar to what the OP is trying to do.

In defense of the OP sometimes promoting morality over and above others' can be beneficial. For example, if it weren't for early Protestants, we would not have Capitalism and possibly, science and technology may not have developed as far as it has today. (I think this is kind of a reaching though)
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i think i give plenty.. what i give doesnt really affect life/death. but it helps the people who i give to...and giving is lots of people.. talking probaly 60+ people.. but i still wanted to see.. just seems like the OP is prententious and just posting here to maybe make himself feel better that he might do something for people and other's might not.

These posts are trivial and should have just been locked. i digress though. there's no gauge meter for giving. not everyone perceives giving in the same way. what i thnk is alot might be only a little to some and so on. as i go.. blah blah blah go!
 
Originally posted by: skace
Shorty I don't care if that was true or not, it was awesome. Like 10 pounds of reality just fell on this fucking thread full of self-promoting garbage.
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This thread did need a bulk dose of reality
 
The OP reminds me of the Mormons who keep a log of all their "good deeds" to help "pave the way to heaven."

When we lived in Jew-Tah in the 80's, we had a couple of neighbors who believed that doing good deeds was so important that they neglected their families in the pursuit of good deeds. :roll:

One lady spent all day, several days per week cooking and doing laundry for the "visiting teachers" and her kids ran around in dirty clothes because she "didn't have time to do her own laundry." :roll:

Do whatever you personally think is important, but don't let it get in the way of life.
If you can't find any cause that's important enough to you personally, then do nothing. It doesn't make you a bad person.
 
OP took a drink from the fountain of wisdom this week, repeatedly missing his big dumb mouth, and completely soaking that ridiculous shirt of his

/theonion
🙂
 
Originally posted by: nerp
Anyone that trumpets their altruism is a selfish bastard. OP sucks.
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Yeah, I'd much rather read a forum full of you douchebags than the even bigger douchebags that post about how great they are.
 
I work for a company that creates products that increase the efficiency and sanitation of food production. My work is directly responsible for helping keep a company with 200 employees in business.

I try to lead a moral life, and hope my example rubs off on my brothers' and friends' kids.

I donate money to charities. Without work, how do you think I would do that?

OP is an elitist self-righteous idiot. God will condemn you to the hell that, deep inside, you know you deserve. :roll:
 
Everyone has their own "line". Some people give more of themselves, some people give less. Those who give more could always give more. Unless you are giving everything, which you clearly aren't, you have no real place from which to judge others in that respect.
 
Originally posted by: First
Originally posted by: totalnoob
I work for a living. That is the highest form of "giving" there is. It is the most "worthy" thing anyone can do for society..to give their best effort and be good at what they do. All the other crap you spouted is blind self sacrifice.
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Working for a living is the highest form of "giving"? I'm sorry, but you're severely deluded. That's nowhere near "giving", it's pretty self-indulgent if you don't actually do something with the money you earn besides spend it on yourself, for example.
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No, he is exactly right. However, in today's society we look down on hardworkers and achievers. The fact that you worry about the use of his money (a material representation of his "giving"), just proves that argument.
 
I give to charity every year. I pay taxes. I help my friends and family. I pay more than the court-mandated child-support. Last I checked, I was an organ donor. I can't give blood because the thought of it causes me to pass out (nightmares of needles since I was a kid).

Welcome to the internet, though - full of snap judgements from people blowing off steam. We're glad you decided to join us.

tc/hf.
 
What kind of copy-paste thing is this? The way your sentences are constructed for the last two paragraphs make it look like a fwd: email.
The sentence goes on and on and on and on and on but then it comes to the end, goes to the next line then jumps
again before it should, before the sentence is done, why do you think that is?

Thanks for the observation bro, you're very deep.
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
hey! who moved this P&N tripe to OT... we dont need this crap here either..


might i suggest moving this to \dev\null ?
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I think it might be better to move it to /dev/null.

Also, I understand what the OP is saying even if it came off differently than he intended. Most of you are being obtuse on purpose because he offended you, thus contributing to what you claim is a morality super circle jerk.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: nerp
Anyone that trumpets their altruism is a selfish bastard. OP sucks.
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Yeah, I'd much rather read a forum full of you douchebags than the even bigger douchebags that post about how great they are.
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So succinct, I could drink your words.

Instead, :beer:
 
i think i give plenty.. what i give doesnt really affect life/death. but it helps the people who i give to...and giving is lots of people.. talking probaly 60+
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Helping others is a survival mechanism (life\death), if humans did not have the natural desire to help others we would have gone extinct a long time ago.

The problem is that the instinct to help others has been displaced by morality and religion i.e. "you should help others because it will make you a good person or you will go to heaven" rather than what it should be: "you help others simply because it's part of your human nature"

The OP is advocating the former.
 
Originally posted by: ixelion
i think i give plenty.. what i give doesnt really affect life/death. but it helps the people who i give to...and giving is lots of people.. talking probaly 60+
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Helping others is a survival mechanism (life\death), if humans did not have the natural desire to help others we would have gone extinct a long time ago.

The problem is that the instinct to help others has been displaced by morality and religion i.e. "you should help others because it will make you a good person or you will go to heaven" rather than what it should be: "you help others simply because it's part of your human nature"

The OP is advocating the former.
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very true 🙂 but like i said before, i think OP made a self-gratifying post.. and were all feeding the fire.maybe we should all not post anymore. so the thread gets buried heh
 
Well to begin with when was the last time you gave of yourself? Not talking about money here, but giving of "yourself"? Awhile

What do you personally give that benefits anyone besides yourself? Nothing

Do you give blood? Regularly? No

Are you on any sort of donor list, organ after death or otherwise? Organ yeah. If there were others I got asked about when I got my DL I woulda said yeah probably

Do you contribute your time to anything worthy? Not anything that benefits others really

Do you contribute anything at all aside from "working" your job? Nope
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But am I any different from 90% of the rest of the population?
 
I give of myself to my family. My wife and son depend on me and I am there for them.

I've thought about volunteering maybe 2 days out of a month to charitable organizations I believe in...maybe one of the local animal shelters or homeless shelters. I don't know. I'll have to give it some more thought.

BTW-I am not religious at all...not sure what that has to do with anything. 😕
 
Dear OP:

?Beware of practising your piety before others in order to be seen by them; for then you have no reward from your Father in heaven.

?So whenever you give alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be praised by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be done in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

?And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

?When you are praying, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

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?And whenever you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces so as to show others that they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that your fasting may be seen not by others but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
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Notice a theme here? Like the extensive use of "in secret" perhaps?

ZV
 
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