Over 50 And Out Of Work

[CADsortaGUY]

Friend hires EEs for a contractor. Asked him if I went back to school would he consider me. Nope. I'm older and have been self employed. Unwritten policy, of course.

your friend is a douche. While it is tough to find a 50+ EE with relevant(up to date) skills and a realistic salary expectation - it's a no brainer to hire one.

 

[spidey07]

Your elementary assessment of darwinism as it applies (or its inapplicability rather) to social and economic processes is evidence in and of itself that it is useless theory as a life-guide, simply because you continue to exist while you are clearly unfit to be in a position of economic prosperity due to incredulously intellectual incompetence.

You have much to learn about the real world, but do carry on.

Supply/demand. Live it. Learn it. Love it.

 

[Zen0]

You have much to learn about the real world, but do carry on.

Supply/demand. Live it. Learn it. Love it.

Supply and demand... heh, that was AP Economics in like my second year of High School.

You'll also learn at some point that real life has little to do with theory. US is as much Socialist as it is Capitalist. We shouldn't treat people like productivity machines.

You are the problem, and you don't even know it. You, and people like you, are the cause of our Economic Recession. Some day, you will grow up, and you'll be faced with your own worthlessness because that is how you measure the value of others.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The worker for not developing their skill to rise to the top and recognize future opportunities. If you don't you're just base labor. I expect no loyalty from my clients or my employer. I DO expect to provide the best product at the best price, that would be my time and my work.

Cream rises. The water that sits around and wants to rise, gets left behind.

We've had this discussion before. "Rising to the top" is as much about sucking up, nepotism, being in the right place at the right time, etc. as it is about skills. I learned this lesson a long, long time ago and in fact, have personally gained from the "being in the right place at the right time" scenario. After years and years of it, I just give up. I think I'm going to stay in my cushy job with awesome benefits and count the days to retirement.

 

[spidey07]

Supply and demand... heh, that was AP Economics in like my second year of High School.

You'll also learn at some point that real life has little to do with theory. US is as much Socialist as it is Capitalist. We shouldn't treat people like productivity machines.

You are the problem, and you don't even know it. You, and people like you, are the cause of our Economic Recession. Some day, you will grow up, and you'll be faced with your own worthlessness because that is how you measure the value of others.

And that's why you have no clue about the real world.

I'm the problem? I realized that I can make people pay me for my knowledge, experience and education? And I realized that this is in very high demand and extremely low supply for the last 20 years?

You try to lecture me on real life. You sound like you're in college kid.

 

[Thump553]

your friend is a douche. While it is tough to find a 50+ EE with relevant(up to date) skills and a realistic salary expectation - it's a no brainer to hire one.

Welcome to the real world CAD. That employer may be a douche but the only thing unusual is the admission he made. Christ I know laid off research PHds from Pfister that can't find jobs-any job. Just keep your fingers crossed and hope it doesn't happen to you in a few decades.

 

[Zen0]

And that's why you have no clue about the real world.

I'm the problem? I realized that I can make people pay me for my knowledge, experience and education? And I realized that this is in very high demand and extremely low supply for the last 20 years?

You try to lecture me on real life. You sound like you're in college kid.

Yep, you're the problem. You don't see it because you were brainwashed early to put money as the ultimate ideal.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Welcome to the real world CAD. That employer may be a douche but the only thing unusual is the admission he made. Christ I know laid off research PHds from Pfister that can't find jobs-any job. Just keep your fingers crossed and hope it doesn't happen to you in a few decades.

Oh, I didn't say it doesn't happen, but the guy is a douche for doing it because his job is to provide good talent and he's overlooking a whole segment.

Yeah, i have no doubt there are unemployed people with too much education, but the question isn't the phd, it's the relevance and skillset.

For sure I need to be aware over the next couple decades to keep myself relevant and I'm sure I will as I don't have an entitlement attitude.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yep, you're the problem. You don't see it because you were brainwashed early to put money as the ultimate ideal.

anyone who doesn't realize that your paycheck is a trade is the problem. You seem to have a realization problem.

 

[Jhhnn]

Cream rises. The water that sits around and wants to rise, gets left behind.

Scum floats, too. Witness Wall St. Check the mirror.

Gotta luv the usual self-congratulatory rightwing circle jerk. The great recession just hammered an enormous % of the workforce in ways that have nothing to do with skill, or education, or drive or any of the things Righties seem to think they have. It's largely on the basis of luck. Witness the difference in outcomes for people who worked for Lehman vs Goldman.

Unemployment stands at 9%, and even that's deceptive, because workforce participation is even worse than that. Even when one unemployed marriage partner elects to stay home, and there's a lot of that, there still aren't enough jobs to go around. It's not like there are anywhere enough job vacancies to cover the gap, like there's some segment of the economy who can't get qualified workers in abundance.

It's not an issue of worker failure, but an issue of leadership failure, of not keeping the promises made about trickledown economics, self regulated banking, and the so called Free Market in a Global Economy.

Think you're safe because you're some sort of special snowflake? think again. You too can easily become victim to circumstances beyond your control, which is the nature of what's happening us now.

 

[spidey07]

Yep, you're the problem. You don't see it because you were brainwashed early to put money as the ultimate ideal.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

I put personal responsibility and taking care of myself above all else. We smart people realize this. Yes, you dirty, evil, thieving, liberal it is as my first priority.

Self Preservation is the ultimate goal.

But stop making it about me. It will all work out. My dad was a "victim" of age discrimination but he planned for that and the future. I'm going to retire by age 50 and I will actively fight any and all liberal that are in my way.

Fuck you. Fuck you and your jealousy. Get to fuck work and take care of yourself.

 

[alkemyst]

I am already doing that (but not at an outsourcing company). We have operations in AU, NZ, UK and ZA.

A stupid God believing right wing conservative like me can be in upper management before age of 30 you guys must be pretty pathetic.

You are a fry guy an McDonalds?

Seriously please explain more. I have known many 20 somethings running a TGIFridays and sport fucking chicks under their belt. They weren't really making bank nor would anyone else hire them.

 

[nobodyknows]

Go ahead I'll go be an executive at the outsourcing company.

LOL, your ignorant posts show that you have no people skills, so good luck with being an executive anyplace except your Daddie's company.

 

[rudder]

I agree, but when you're over 50 and lose your job, it is going to be tough regardless of what opportunities you take advantage of during your time unemployed.

I knew a few people who worked at a GM plant near where I lived. When times were booming these people were offered lots of overtime. Their lifestyle (size of house, nice cars) matched their income they got with the overtime. As demand for GM cars slowed, these people began to lose their overtime pay and began to start having cash flow issues despite still earning great money.

This just needs to be a lesson. Live within your means, strive to live debt free, and when you are 50 and suddenly find yourself unable to make close to what you made prior to being laid off... you can still live relatively comfortable.

 

[dmcowen674]

Hey guys! IF WE JUST TAX EVERYTHING AT 100% WE CAN DIVIDE IT UP EQUALLY AND NO ONE WOULD BE POOR!

How has 0% worked?

 

[fskimospy]

I hit that mark last year. I'm saving up so I can buy a 3 bedroom $1 million shack here in Communist California. Sorry your thick skull can't comprehend that.

I don't care what you're doing. You whined earlier about not being able to afford property with a salary of $250,000. If that's the case, you're an incredibly bad manager of money, someone no responsible person should put in any management position.

People who make a third of your salary are able to amass more wealth than you are... I mean what a pathetic failure. If you aren't lying, your a hilariously shitty businessman, and any place that was hiring you to manage something would be screwing themselves over by hiring someone who was incompetent.

 

[I Saw OJ]

"I just want to work."

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by JS80
I hit that mark last year. I'm saving up so I can buy a 3 bedroom $1 million shack here in Communist California. Sorry your thick skull can't comprehend that.

I don't care what you're doing. You whined earlier about not being able to afford property with a salary of $250,000. If that's the case, you're an incredibly bad manager of money, someone no responsible person should put in any management position.

People who make a third of your salary are able to amass more wealth than you are... I mean what a pathetic failure. If you aren't lying, your a hilariously shitty businessman, and any place that was hiring you to manage something would be screwing themselves over by hiring someone who was incompetent.

:thumbsup:

If he don't like Kalifornia and this country he is free to leave.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Boo-fucking-hoo.

I put personal responsibility and taking care of myself above all else. We smart people realize this. Yes, you dirty, evil, thieving, liberal it is as my first priority.

Self Preservation is the ultimate goal.

But stop making it about me. It will all work out. My dad was a "victim" of age discrimination but he planned for that and the future. I'm going to retire by age 50 and I will actively fight any and all liberal that are in my way.

Fuck you. Fuck you and your jealousy. Get to fuck work and take care of yourself.

Are you going to fight the liberal unions that ensured a comfy pension for your wife?

 

[Zen0]

Boo-fucking-hoo.

I put personal responsibility and taking care of myself above all else. We smart people realize this. Yes, you dirty, evil, thieving, liberal it is as my first priority.

Self Preservation is the ultimate goal.

But stop making it about me. It will all work out. My dad was a "victim" of age discrimination but he planned for that and the future. I'm going to retire by age 50 and I will actively fight any and all liberal that are in my way.

Fuck you. Fuck you and your jealousy. Get to fuck work and take care of yourself.

And this is why you don't deserve to even be an American.

Smart? You're fucking hilarious. We "smart" people populate the liberal areas and are doing the real "work" that you idiots that have no cultural or social ideals higher than taking care of your own ass will ever come close to.

We're Ivy League and we actually give a shit about other people, you are and always will be bitter peasantry that has delusional dreams of aristocracy under the false guide of capitalism, thinking that money will elevate you to a higher class when you will always be the lowly trash that you are.

You and JS80 and others like you go to sleep thinking we're envious of your money (guffaw), we feel sorry for you in a way like we can only feel sorry for the Westboro Baptist Church or other misguided delusional members of society which a false sense of grandeur and hubris.

 

[yllus]

If you are laid off when you're over the age of 50 these days, you are likely in some serious trouble. In my field (software development) and other technology fields there is a well defined age biased towards the young.

There are perceived culture fit problems ("How will this old guy fit in with the five 25-year-old developers who talk about Halo all day?"), availability questions ("We need to put in 24/7 efforts for the next two weeks to get this product shipped - we need guys with no lives."), biases towards the ability to learn, and it goes on. Those who haven't thought ahead about this had better be very, very good at what they do, or they're not going to find employment again. I don't know what the solution is, but I certainly have sympathy for their plight.

 

[Exterous]

I'm a boomer and all I can say is they did it to themselves. All the political hacks can blame the other guy, but 30 years of consistent failure to get their shit together can't be blamed on any one side. The majority wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and this is the result. You might as well listen to sob stories from heroin addicts while they continue to push the needle in their arm. When they actually show some real interest in changing for the better then I'll pay more attention. I have no interest in watching people kill themselves.

I look at the baby boomer's I know (parents and their friends) and they seem to be doing just fine even though jobs have come and gone in the turbulent job market around here.

And they seem to have been able to save for retirement even though there were no 401ks, day trading, IRAs! Shocking! Maybe, just maybe, they took responsibility for their retirement into their own hands? No - that can't be it - they must have found some sort of magic money bean to provide for them

 

[Macamus Prime]

Ah yes, the good old "it's the victim's fault" mentality/arguement. Oh AnandTech Forums - when will you EVER change?!

Hey, whenever you get mugged, raped, fired, hit by a car, drugged and operated on to have donkey cocks grafted to your lips, ears and nipples - don't complain; because you did bring it all on yourself.

 

[Exterous]

I knew a few people who worked at a GM plant near where I lived. When times were booming these people were offered lots of overtime. Their lifestyle (size of house, nice cars) matched their income they got with the overtime. As demand for GM cars slowed, these people began to lose their overtime pay and began to start having cash flow issues despite still earning great money.

This just needs to be a lesson. Live within your means, strive to live debt free, and when you are 50 and suddenly find yourself unable to make close to what you made prior to being laid off... you can still live relatively comfortable.

This is an incredible problem around here. Everyone was riding on the Big 3 gravy train and everything was going so well no one planned for the future. Nothing could possibly happen to the Big 3 right? Well, when the shit hit the fan an impressive number of people were left with no way to pay for their obligations. They had the opportunity to save money but the blew it on expensive cars, houses, electronics

 

[Exterous]

Ah yes, the good old "it's the victim's fault" mentality/arguement. Oh AnandTech Forums - when will you EVER change?!

Hey, whenever you get mugged, raped, fired, hit by a car, drugged and operated on to have donkey cocks grafted to your lips, ears and nipples - don't complain; because you did bring it all on yourself.

*shrug* make hyperboles all you want. I look at the evidence around me and the ones who planned, saved and worked hard - weathering multiple job losses - are doing just fine. The ones who didn't aren't.