Out Of Control Nephew **NEW UPDATE**

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: ViciouS

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: jemcam
I've seen landlords go to jail for allowing their houses to be used to sell drugs from even if they didn't live there.

It happens all the time. If you don't believe me, ask a cop anonymously.

There are cops here on this board. Ask some of them. Ask the resident lawyers too, for the hell of it. Most of these guys will chime in with general information if you ask nicely.

How do i know some one is a cop or a lawyer?

Just ask. I think Bradruth is a police officer, and ummm, let's see, Devil's Advocate is a lawyer.

 

[PLaYaHaTeD]

Just to let you know, the story is real. I am Vic's little brother. And he hasn't lied or omitted any information.

Someone, I can't remeber who, nailed it on the dot when they said it is a case of being overly loyal. Vic has always been known for staying true, even when there is no got-damn point.

The other issue is that he seems to be more afraid of not being able to pay the bills than going to jail. Him and his girlfriend need to reevaluate what the best move is.

And for all of you that think my nephew is a little punk, you've thought right. But what do you expect from a kid who has a crackhead as a father? The same father who thought he was cool while doing a wheelie on a 1000cc motorcross bike with a 9 year old kid on the back. He ended up wiping out and landing on that kid, crushing and shattering one of his kidneys and putting him in the hospital for two weeks. I see the same wreckless, arrogant, stupid behavior in his son.

Oh, by the way, the kid on the back of the bike was me.

 

[lokiju]

All these post about him losing his house over this is far fetched to say the least, I've know people that have sold drugs who sold those drugs from their parents house with their parents fully knowing, house was raided son went to jail and parents didn't have anything happen to them the first time, the second time same thing happened but the mother got arrested only because she had drugs in her purse.

This person I'm referring to was found with illegal guns, 10 sheets of acid and over a pound of weed and again nothing happened to the parents, the owners of the home when they didn't have anything illegal of their own on them.

I live in FL myself and the above is of one person I knew but there are at least 3 or 4 others that have had the same, similar thing happen.

BTW sorry to hear about your sickness and I hope you find something to cure/prevent that.

 

[dmw16]

call the cops you moron. They will take you to jail w/ them and paying the morgage will be the least of your worries. HOnestly, dont be so fvcking stupid.

 

[ViciouS]

Originally posted by: dmw16
call the cops you moron. They will take you to jail w/ them and paying the morgage will be the least of your worries. HOnestly, dont be so fvcking stupid.

honestly how is that helpfull?

EDIT* If you read previous posts the amount they have here is so minute its not a big deal

 

[kermalou]

just walk up to a cop on the street and "hypothetically" ask them what is going on?

 

[Shortcut]

Call the cops - it's better to be the pre-emptor than the pre-empted.

 

[Brule]

Take the crack house laws, add the entire RAVE act and everything like it, and yes, you could lose your house. You could lose it even if you had no idea what was going on. Now if you will lose it if they're busted, that's up for debate and what side of the bed the authorities wake up on.

I'm pro-legalization of about every drug, but he's 15, he shouldn't be given advil without supervision. Family can be family, but cut your loses. If you don't want them getting into trouble, kick them out. Not the best for your relations, but at least they'll get busted and he'll be taken away without your involvement. If he's dealing that openly the police will bust him sooner or later. You're screwed, but what kind of "family" do you have now beating the crap out of each other?

 

[ViciouS]

Originally posted by: Brule
Take the crack house laws, add the entire RAVE act and everything like it, and yes, you could lose your house. You could lose it even if you had no idea what was going on. Now if you will lose it if they're busted, that's up for debate and what side of the bed the authorities wake up on.

I'm pro-legalization of about every drug, but he's 15, he shouldn't be given advil without supervision. Family can be family, but cut your loses. If you don't want them getting into trouble, kick them out. Not the best for your relations, but at least they'll get busted and he'll be taken away without your involvement. If he's dealing that openly the police will bust him sooner or later. You're screwed, but what kind of "family" do you have now beating the crap out of each other?

Him selling is not the half of it. He can't read, and he has SEVERE learning disorders. Let?s just say he?s not the quickest tool in the shed, meaning the chances of him getting caught are much higher. And it?s not the whole family, my sister and her kids seem to be violent none of the rest of us are. Except i have been in alot of fights growing up with people outside the family.

The kids had a really abusive father, there mom and dad were addicted to heroin. Before there mom went to jail, there dad was beating the hell out of her. I was too young to do anything about it. Then mom got arrested for possession with intent to sell heroin, and went away for a few years. The first 6 months she was locked up they where left with their physically abusive, drug addict dad. My mom took custody of them when they came by our house and drank a gallon of Kool-Aid in about 2 minutes. This was a 4 year old and an 8 year old. They also looked like they hadn?t taken a shower in 2 weeks.

I have 5 sisters and 2 brothers. We haven't had money since I was 4, very poor lots of ghettos, lots of bad environments.

EDIT* I'm finding out my nephew is more of a small time middle man. He goes here and there and gets nicks and dimes for his friends. He knows I dont approve of it, so he chooses to sell them in front of me whenever he gets the chance. Maybe he just doesn't know though... He's not a quick kid.

And there is very little traffic comming from my house. If any at all. From what I've noticed.

 

[SirPsycho]

One piece of advice for you: ignore the advice from people about walking into the police station and talking to someone, and instead, go to a payphone and call them. That way, you can find out some information without feeling like you're going to get yourself in trouble just by walking in the front door. Also, definitely talk to a lawyer. There are lots of places that will offer free legal advice to low income or disabled individuals.

 

[Grimbones]

Still?? i told you to get him with the taser lol :laugh:

 

[ViciouS]

Originally posted by: Grimbones
Still?? i told you to get him with the taser lol :laugh:

I bought the taser. The sadistic little bastard begs me to shock him again when he wakes up from passing out. Do they have one you can connect to a car or marine battery?

 

[SurgicalShark]

Dont you get it bud, CALL COPS. It is your house and property, you have right to get'em out of it. Don't let 16 year run you off everyday over your face. COPS AGAIN I SAY. :|

Originally posted by: ViciouS
What would constitute the seizure of a house? Let?s say I have a 15 year old trafficking marijuana and possibly Xanax, his mom (my sister) is selling drugs also. The house is in my name. It's possible my sister is encouraging this behavior or contributing to it. I told my sister if it doesn?t stop right now find another place to live.

Not only is my nephew selling drugs has making it obvious. He?s also trying to bait me into a physical confrontation by doing it right in front of my face. I have been known to loose control. I have never beaten the crap of a woman or a little kid before. I have "thrown" my sisters who are 2-3 years younger and my nephew?s mom who is 15 years older. Throwing them off of me after being punched in the face and having my face clawed does not mean I?m a woman beater, in my mind at least.

Back to my nephew, things have heated up recently as far as physical altercations, with him. The first one came when I noticed he had put something in his pocket which looked like about an ounce of weed. I was pretty heated about seeing that, and started yelling at him very loud. I can sound pretty intimidating. His mom who was sleeping came out and punched me in the face, so i pushed her away from me. Then my nephew came at me and hit me. Now my nephew and sister is swinging at me. I put my nephew in a headlock while his mom is clawing my face up. I try and throw his mom (my sister) off of me but she is attached to me by my baggy sweater. I get them both off of me eventually and we all went separate ways. My sister then threatens to call the cops on me. I was a little worried because I really wasn?t sure what just happened. My girlfriend comforts me by telling me that if they do call the cops they would be in trouble. I she pointed out that I was bleeding out of my face and neck and they didn?t have a scratch on them. She also told me that I didn?t get ruff with either of them until I was punched in the face, and that every thing I did was in self defense.

And that?s just one situation.

I asked my nephew ?I know your hands are full but please don?t kick the fence, you?re destroyed it.? He says to me fvck you b1tch and goes out and kicks it. My fence is falling apart I ask him to not kick it anymore and he does that! I got so mad I grabbed him by the throat and told him not to disrespect me like that. Throat grabbing, not a good call on my part, what can I say I was pretty heated and didn?t think. Nothing justifies chocking him for 3 seconds while I tried to get my point across. I know this. I sugar coated asking him to, not kick it, and then he flat out disrespects me in the worst way he could. Of course his mom clawed me up and he got a few punches in until I held him down by his face.

The other night he came home bragging that he punched and robbed some kid. I couldn?t believe my ears! I then got pretty mad and got in his face and asked, ?did you say you robbed some one?? He responded with a Yeah B1tch I robbed some one. I then did what I call a mush, where I grab him by the face and pushed him. Then I pushed him to where his back was against a door and he came at me swinging. I?m 6?4? and his head ended up under my arm and I held him in a headlock for a few seconds. His mom clawed my face again. This was 3 nights ago and the one I?m most disappointed at myself for. 1. I?m not his dad; if he robs some one it?s not my place to discipline him.2. I was the physical aggressor in that situation. 3. Now his mom is saying that I?m the problem, I gave her fuel. Her response later on was ?it was one little robbery.? I don?t know how can anyone think that way?

Today a few things happened where he said ?oh well, whatever? and some sort of ?do something then? (I tuned it out so I wouldn?t explode) after I confronted him in blatantly disregarding something I said, and then did it right in front of my face. This situation was very similar to the fence kicking situation. I did nothing but my heart raced with rage. Knowing I was going to kick them out soon helped me pass that aggression.

I told my sister a month ago, if I find out you are not doing anything to stop him from selling drugs, or you are helping him do so I?m going to kick you out. Today I told her, if you don?t do something about his behavior and continue to turn your back on the drug dealings your out. She then tells me that I?m that I?m the one looking for the fight with him that he?s not doing anything that?s really bad. I know she is selling drugs it?s not a secret, and she doesn?t sell much more than a little bit for extra cash. It?s bound to happen they are going to get kicked out. If I just have to find a replacement for them, I?m sick and have been for 2 years. Right now until I get social security disability my mom is paying my end of my bills, so they pay a vital 1/3rd of my bills. I can?t just kick them out without a replacement, so that?s going to delay kicking them. What I would like to know in the mean time is can there drug selling, about a ¼ pound, I think of weed every 2 weeks, get my house seized? Legally is it possible? I live in Florida if that helps. I?m 25, nephew is 15, and sister is 40.

 

[SP33Demon]

I know you may feel loyal to your sister and nephew b/c they're blood, but they are disrespecting you and don't give a sht about you. All they care about it that they have a place to stay. Call the cops on them, get a part time job and/or take out a loan until you can (maybe your g/f will help out), and take control of your life back. Ideally you would want to send the kid to military school to whip him into to shape and help him grow up... good luck.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: BigJimbo
legally you cant kick them out...you have to have them evicted. Since you are on SS the court fee can be waived. I think it takes like a week or so but dont say anything to them about it. Social services will come to the house with the papers and give them 3 days to move out.

Laws vary widely in different jurisdictions, but in many, if there is no written contract, no signed lease, then either 30 days notice or SUMMARY notice pertains.

Also, in some jurisdictions, what with the drugs and violence involved, the police can declare your house "out of control" (language varies) and everyone not on the lease or the mortgage must vacate the premises immediately.

Still, it can be dicey to involve the police, especially with the history of your violence. If you do go that route, I suggest you approach an officer in person and honestly discuss the situation while trying to build some kind of relationship, and do this over time. You don't want your first contact with the police to be at your house in the middle of a violent confrontation.

I say your first move is to find out the actual renter's laws in your jurisdiction.

I bet you don't really know what they are at present.

 

[Lithium381]

anyone did that to me they'd have been out a while ago, wouldn't put up with that bs

 

[ViciouS]

The only way I?m involving the cops is if I can get my nephew in boot camp or something. That I will ask about. Saying call the cops on my family; I will only do that if they hit me again and I have witnesses.

 

[S4M33R]

Originally posted by: KLin
you seriously need to leave the house, go down to the police headquarters, and bring a few officers with you and let them in and show them what's going on. If you let it go on any longer, and the police find out, they'll no doubt consider you an accomplice and you can lose the house.

 

[S4M33R]

Originally posted by: Judgement
How did you last this long with the frequent attacks without viciously assualting the son?

I'm not sure what the policies are against self-defense when the person is only considered a minor and you're a lot greater than them in size, but I don't think I would have had the self control to not at least land a blow or two.

You have more self discipline than I, thats probably worth some respect even if you're not exactly handling the situation the way it should be. You need to call the cops regardless of the rent problem. I'd rather be evicted and have a bad credit history then end up in jail for some sh!t these assholes will try to spin around and pin on you; its obvious those people, despite being family, don't give a sh!t about you or your/their futures.

 

[DaiShan]

I love my sister with all my heart, and there is no limit to what I would do to help her if she needed it, but if she ever pulled some crap like that or had a punk kid like your nephew, not only would she be out or my house, but I'd personally go with the cops to arrest her and my nephew for drug trafficking.

 

[LongAce]

Originally posted by: ViciouS
The only way I?m involving the cops is if I can get my nephew in boot camp or something. That I will ask about. Saying call the cops on my family; I will only do that if they hit me again and I have witnesses.

Calling the COP now seem wrong but it might help them in the long run. Your Nephew is only 16 and it's not too late to change. I suggest call the COP and have them both arrested. Same time, be very careful cause they might come back to get revenge.

 

[ViciouS]

UPDATE* My sister (Not Nephews Mom) in Gainesville (500 milese from my house) is taking my nephew up there for a month. When he gets back, it?s off to military school. I got into a big argument with my sister (Nephews Mom) today about her to stop selling. She basically sells to smoke for free. I have to put an end to it no matter how much or how little she sells, it?s about the example she is setting, and how much more difficult it?s going to be stopping my nephew with such a poor example. I'm giving her a chance to drastically change the situation; if she doesn?t comply she gets kicked. I?m hoping she understand how firm I am on this subject, I don?t want to put anyone on the streets. BTW My niece ,19 and her child live here too, I?m not going to kick her and her 2 year old, but telling my sisters to leave may force her and her child out also.

EDIT* My niece read this thread and asked why she isn't in it, because it does affect her also. So there you go Alexa.

 

[DeeKnow]

cops!

 

[gutharius]

Police are required by law to identify themselves as such.

And here is some information i found on the web:

House Seizure: (This was of great interest to me when I found it! I suggest you start here!)
Sidebar: IF THE GOVERNMENT WANTS YOUR PROPERTY

http://public.findlaw.com/real_estate/homeownership/newcontent/homeownership/chp3_c_4.html

Comment: This article should really help you with your fears about your house getting seized. As long as you can prove that you are not permissably allowing these people to do what they are doing and you have given them written notices (i.e. mailed them a notice via Certified mail with Signature Confirmation and Delivery Confirmation.) you can even mail it to the persons work address ;-). In the formal rule of law Verbal any thing is not work the air it was breathed upon. That is Verbal is nothing, nada, bend me over and screw me. GET IT IN WRITING and DOCUMENT IT ALL! You dont need their signatures all you need is to give them a dated letter signed by you stating you are aware of the situation and do not approve. This is called a letter of understanding and is proof of you intents to resolve known illegal activity occuring on your property.

- Find Law.com: (I made sure to focus strictly on florida's laws when searching. However, I learned Search and Seizure is a federal law so no state law can modify or change this do to laws stated in the constitution of the US that govern seperation of government powers.)

Searches & Seizures: The Limitations of the Police:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1465.html
Excerpt: "Police may search your property without a warrant if you consent to the search. Consent must be freely and voluntarily given, and you cannot be coerced or tricked into giving it. "

- US Drug Enforcement Agency:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/resources/victims_crime.html

Excerpt: "For Victims of Crime

Coming soon: DEA Victim Witness Assistance Program (VWAP). Information and resources for victims of crime. Also, education and awareness on Drug Facilitated Sexual Assault, Drug Endangered Children, domestic violence, child abuse and neglect, other crimes of violence, and more.

For Additional information, please contact the DEA Victim Witness Assistance Program (VWAP) toll free number:

1-866-254-5970"

HTH

 

[ViciouS]

Originally posted by: gutharius
Police are required by law to identify themselves as such.

And here is some information i found on the web:

House Seizure: (This was of great interest to me when I found it! I suggest you start here!)
Sidebar: IF THE GOVERNMENT WANTS YOUR PROPERTY

http://public.findlaw.com/real_estate/homeownership/newcontent/homeownership/chp3_c_4.html

Comment: This article should really help you with your fears about your house getting seized. As long as you can prove that you are not permissably allowing these people to do what they are doing and you have given them written notices (i.e. mailed them a notice via Certified mail with Signature Confirmation and Delivery Confirmation.) you can even mail it to the persons work address ;-). In the formal rule of law Verbal any thing is not work the air it was breathed upon. That is Verbal is nothing, nada, bend me over and screw me. GET IT IN WRITING and DOCUMENT IT ALL! You dont need their signatures all you need is to give them a dated letter signed by you stating you are aware of the situation and do not approve. This is called a letter of understanding and is proof of you intents to resolve known illegal activity occuring on your property.

- Find Law.com: (I made sure to focus strictly on florida's laws when searching. However, I learned Search and Seizure is a federal law so no state law can modify or change this do to laws stated in the constitution of the US that govern seperation of government powers.)

Searches & Seizures: The Limitations of the Police:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1465.html
Excerpt: "Police may search your property without a warrant if you consent to the search. Consent must be freely and voluntarily given, and you cannot be coerced or tricked into giving it. "

- US Drug Enforcement Agency:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/resources/victims_crime.html

Excerpt: "For Victims of Crime

Coming soon: DEA Victim Witness Assistance Program (VWAP). Information and resources for victims of crime. Also, education and awareness on Drug Facilitated Sexual Assault, Drug Endangered Children, domestic violence, child abuse and neglect, other crimes of violence, and more.

For Additional information, please contact the DEA Victim Witness Assistance Program (VWAP) toll free number:

1-866-254-5970"

HTH

Wow, very impressive and much appreciated. Thank you.