Our President

[Zorkorist]

^ Moved to Haiti and became a Monk. ^

-John

 

[Steeplerot]

lol, people like you make me laugh. always wanting things to be roses and pretty. Well guess what - here in the real world things aren't. Politics is a contact sport - those who are nice - LOSE. I don't want to lose to a bunch of wishy washy centrists or leftist freaks. Just because some of us know what we believe and fight for it doesn't mean we are the "problem" - it just means you can't handle others disagreeing strongly with you. I fully accept that others disagree with Conservatism but I don't respect them unless they can back up their disagreement with something semi-rational. but we are quite far from the topic now.... I apologize.

And you admit you are willing to lie, distort, and spin endlessly because you think politics is sports to you.


CaD you are a walking commercial for the Democratic party like Patsanus the more you bullshit.

-Keep it up. You make conservativism look bad for someone who holds himself to be some kind of standard-bearer or narcissistic martyr for some fake talk world entertainment "cause".

Don't know what to say but get a more honest hobby, you are bad at lying if thats how you play.

 

[Siddhartha]

It is indeed a national tragedy because of the federal officials killed (judge, congresswomen), the venue itself (townhall itself exemplifies perfectly American democracy and 1st amendment) and the fact that innocent bystanders, especially a 9 year old girl, were killed.

Bottom line, you're a tard if you don't understand why it's a national tragedy.

The shootings have put some people on the defensive. Some of them have used the kind of speech that advocated killing their political opponents or people that disagree with them. Because of this pretty much everyone was holding their breath waiting for someone to put this kind of rhetoric into action. Some people are gun advocates and see these shootings and the country's response as an attack on their gun ownership rights. Some people are not happy with anything unless it makes their political opponents look bad.

Whatever is their motivation, you will see these people make efforts to minimize the impact of last week's shootings and ridicule anyone who feels the impact.

 

[Siddhartha]

I just watched Mr Obama's speech. Man what a good speech.

 

[Tab]

Because you said you don't respect anyone whom holds a differing opinion and they're a moron.

Nope, sure didn't say that. Try again junior. 🙂

Really?

🙄 Anyone directly connected to this - I fully understand how they would think this is a tragedy but it's no "national tragedy" no matter how much some of you morons want it to be. The media latched on, the politicos latched on - but that doesn't mean it's a "national tragedy". Wake up you morons.

Now, do you care to answer my questions?

OK, so if the people get to define it, why are people who are of the same opinion as I on this branded and ridiculed as heartless and soul-less or "small minded asshole"?

get it yet? 😉

Probably because your a jackass but more importantly plain damned wrong.

 

[CycloWizard]

Get the F over it. This is what presidents do. Some people are actually quite heartbroken and are wondering what this country is coming to after events like this. It's the presidents job to set the tone for the country's healing. I think he did a wonderful job and caught no since of him scoring any political points and he should not have.

I'm sorry you guys can't get over your hate for him.

The problem is that it's NOT HIS JOB to "set the tone for the country's healing." He's not a psychiatrist, and the "country" can't heal.

 

[CycloWizard]

Oh God, what ever happened to your cold dead heart?

How much does it cost to fly the president across the country to give a meaningless speech he could have just as easily delivered from his office in Washington? Do we have that money? I'm sick of all of this feel-good bullshit that pacifies the ignorant masses who refuse or are simply incapable of dealing with reality. A few people got shot at a grocery store. Get over it.

 

[IBMer]

How much does it cost to fly the president across the country to give a meaningless speech he could have just as easily delivered from his office in Washington? Do we have that money? I'm sick of all of this feel-good bullshit that pacifies the ignorant masses who refuse or are simply incapable of dealing with reality. A few people got shot at a grocery store. Get over it.

The same assholes that are downplaying his need to go there would be the same assholes calling for his head if he didn't.

 

[Tab]

How much does it cost to fly the president across the country to give a meaningless speech he could have just as easily delivered from his office in Washington? Do we have that money? I'm sick of all of this feel-good bullshit that pacifies the ignorant masses who refuse or are simply incapable of dealing with reality. A few people got shot at a grocery store. Get over it.

Wow.

And you're the one that always gets upset over abortion too!

 

[jackstar7]

A few people got shot at a grocery store.

One of those people was a child as old as your account on these boards.

Kudos for trying to be that hot cup of coffee spilled onto the crotch of the general public.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Whatever is their motivation, you will see these people make efforts to minimize the impact of last week's shootings and ridicule anyone who feels the impact.

Well put

 

[Thump553]

How much does it cost to fly the president across the country to give a meaningless speech he could have just as easily delivered from his office in Washington? Do we have that money? I'm sick of all of this feel-good bullshit that pacifies the ignorant masses who refuse or are simply incapable of dealing with reality. A few people got shot at a grocery store. Get over it.

I forget-did you express the same outrage over GWB's bullhorn speech at ground zero immediately after 9/11? Or Reagen memorializing the Challenger dead? Or Clinton going to Oklahoma City (odds are that is the only one of these three that offended you).

Helping the country heal and understand events like this is an unspoken but implicit part of the Presidency. Get over your partisan blinders.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Never let a tragedy go to waste. Thousands of Americans are gunned down every year, the big difference is they're not worthy to the MSM.

Why doesn't the President/his entourage go to every military personnel who dies in service of this country funeral and pass out t-shirts?

 

[CycloWizard]

The same assholes that are downplaying his need to go there would be the same assholes calling for his head if he didn't.

No, I'm the only asshole downplaying his "need" to go there, since no such need exists. I wouldn't have said anything if he hadn't gone. He didn't come give a speech when people in my family died and I didn't complain then either. What is his job? Can you even tell me?

 

[IBMer]

Never let a tragedy go to waste. Thousands of Americans are gunned down every year, the big difference is they're not worthy to the MSM.

Why doesn't the President/his entourage go to every military personnel who dies in service of this country funeral and pass out t-shirts?

These are obviously the daily talking points they heard on their way to work today.

 

[CycloWizard]

One of those people was a child as old as your account on these boards.

Kudos for trying to be that hot cup of coffee spilled onto the crotch of the general public.

What does the kid's age have to do with what I said? Is it the president's job to eulogize people at or below a certain age? I must have missed that bit in the Constitution.

 

[alphatarget1]

He's the duly elected head of the executive branch, entrusted with enforcing the laws. I don't see anywhere in his job description where he is supposed to fly around the country on my dime giving motivational speeches. If he was doing the rest of his job well, I wouldn't be too worried about this nonsense, but instead he (and all other recent presidents) use events like this to distract from his woeful inadequacy at doing his real job.

QFT.

 

[jackstar7]

What does the kid's age have to do with what I said? Is it the president's job to eulogize people at or below a certain age? I must have missed that bit in the Constitution.

This event, rightfully or not, affected people across the country. It is a responsibility to address that.

I mean the constitution doesn't mention clearing brush. Were you as raged up about all the time (and that money spent for the flights! oh how it must reach into the thousands of dollars!) spent doing that?

 

[IBMer]

No, I'm the only asshole downplaying his "need" to go there, since no such need exists. I wouldn't have said anything if he hadn't gone. He didn't come give a speech when people in my family died and I didn't complain then either. What is his job? Can you even tell me?

The Many Hats of the President

Chief Legislator
Vetoes bills
Recommends measures for Congress to consider
Gives Congress information on the state of the union

Commander In Chief
Chief of the Armed forces
Determines major strategies during war
Power to declare war
Uses military power in domestic disorder to reinforce laws

Chief of State
Formally greets head of state
Entertains in state dinners
Performs ceremonial duties

Chief Diplomat
Makes foreign policy
Represents U.S. in foreign relations
Makes treaties with the approval of 2/3 of Senate
appoints ambassadors, ministers, and consuls

Chief Executive
Appoints several thousand officials
Supervises administration of executive department
Takes care that laws are faithfully executed

Miscellaneous Powers
Appoints federal judges
Grants reprieves and pardons

Do you need flash cards?

 

[CycloWizard]

I forget-did you express the same outrage over GWB's bullhorn speech at ground zero immediately after 9/11? Or Reagen memorializing the Challenger dead? Or Clinton going to Oklahoma City (odds are that is the only one of these three that offended you).

Helping the country heal and understand events like this is an unspoken but implicit part of the Presidency. Get over your partisan blinders.

Comparing this event to 9/11 is laughable at best - a comparison only a true idiot would even attempt. Since the president is the Commander-in-Chief, an address regarding 9/11 is far more appropriate than an address for a shooting in a mall in Arizona (unless you're suggesting a military response to the Arizona shooting). This forum didn't even exist at the time of Oklahoma City as far as I know, nor was I a member in 2001, so these questions aren't even real questions and serve only as further demonstration of your idiocy. Thanks for playing.

 

[Zedtom]

When the leader of the country says "chill out", the reaction seems to be, "don't you tell me what to do...that's not in your job description".

 

[feralkid]

QFT.

No.

It's pure blabber...open your eyes and see the hate-driven bullshit he spews.

 

[CycloWizard]

The Many Hats of the President

Chief Legislator
Vetoes bills
Recommends measures for Congress to consider
Gives Congress information on the state of the union

Commander In Chief
Chief of the Armed forces
Determines major strategies during war
Power to declare war
Uses military power in domestic disorder to reinforce laws

Chief of State
Formally greets head of state
Entertains in state dinners
Performs ceremonial duties

Chief Diplomat
Makes foreign policy
Represents U.S. in foreign relations
Makes treaties with the approval of 2/3 of Senate
appoints ambassadors, ministers, and consuls

Chief Executive
Appoints several thousand officials
Supervises administration of executive department
Takes care that laws are faithfully executed

Miscellaneous Powers
Appoints federal judges
Grants reprieves and pardons

Do you need flash cards?

You're an idiot. You just made those up. Or do you really think the president has the power to declare war? Even so, you forgot to make up ANY duty which would have any chance of encompassing a visit to Arizona to give a motivational speech after a shooting event.

 

[Tab]

He didn't come give a speech when people in my family died and I didn't complain then either.

Well, were your family members prominent members of the government during a stresful time? Where they murdered or maimed senslessely?

Now, you didn't answer previous questions. Is 9/11 speechworthy? What about the Challanger disaster? Should GWB and Reagen stayed home that day?

 

[jackstar7]

Cyclo, if you're going to hold this position, it's reasonable to ask you what the threshold is when it becomes reasonable for the President to personally react. Can you spell out the nature of an incident at its smallest level, and perhaps even what is on the other side of that line?

If you are to be arbiter of tragedy, I'd like to understand the scope and scale of what constitutes an actual tragedy that warrants the President to fly somewhere and offer comfort.