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If Trump didn't make people loathe you or all Americans you're living with a tin foil hat and blinders.

But I want them to loathe us for being progressive and correct compared to us being retards.
 
@disappoint: the people being referred to as "conservaterrorists" have been ruining this country since Reagan if not before. Hell yes I want them to "loathe" the next president; it means we did something right. Our national politics is a memetic Superfund site; it's time to start decontaminating it.
 
Pick2 said:
I have been told I have a very Different Point of View (DPV) . That is a very polite way of stating what people ACTUALLY say about ME 🙂
My DPV is that there were ~16 politicos running against Trump. Trump was selected because he was Not a politico. Then he beat Hillary , and she still does not understand that.

All that noise about "Giving Trump the Big Red Nuclear Button ? Are you crazy , he will start WW III ! and IV if there is anything left !! " ( OK , I exaggerated that last bit 🙂 )
Hillary was the one blaming the Russians for her e-mail fiasco and hacking the DNC and altering the Vote so she lost the election ... who would be more likely to start a war ? Trump SEEMS to be trying to make peace with another 800 lb. gorilla on the planet. I think he could do better with China , but still ... only time will tell.

I Think of the Presidency like a rocket. First stage you elect one ... Second stage he holds office ... toward the end is when you finally find out: Is it another Dog in Orbit ? A Man on the Moon ! Or a MIRV 😛
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Nice story.
 
BoomerD said:
fixed for accuracy. It doesn't matter how much the (R)'s hate the left...and they will, no matter what is done...but it DOES matter how much the American people hate the Dems...keep offering them liberals who border on socialism, and the only votes you'll get will be from minimum wage working millennials who believe the government owes them a living wage for flipping burgers.

I'm a Democrat...have been a Democrat for almost 50 years...and it sickens me that the party thinks so little of its working-class members that it keeps giving us candidates like Bernie, Pocahontas, McGovern, Dukakis....and several others.
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We ran a center left candidate last time, and lost to the worst candidate the GOP has nominated in...ever. Which doesn't necessarily mean it was because she is a moderate. There were other reasons. Still, there is reason to consider running someone further left next time. Moderates do not excite the base and dems have a turnout problem.

I don't personally think Warren is the right candidate, but I'm ready for a good candidate with views that are further left, especially in terms of taxation, economics and political reform. We could ease off on the identity politics next time.
 
As little as I think about Trump, if it came down to him and Warren, I'd vote Trump. I couldn't get myself to vote for him over Hillary (I voted for my wife instead), but I damn sure don't want president faux-a-hauntas either.
 
woolfe9998 said:
We ran a center left candidate last time, and lost to the worst candidate the GOP has nominated in...ever. Which doesn't necessarily mean it was because she is a moderate. There were other reasons. Still, there is reason to consider running someone further left next time. Moderates do not excite the base and dems have a turnout problem.

I don't personally think Warren is the right candidate, but I'm ready for a good candidate with views that are further left, especially in terms of taxation, economics and political reform. We could ease off on the identity politics next time.
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People want socialism at the cost of the billionaires.
 
Indus said:
People want socialism at the cost of the billionaires.
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People want a chance at the opportunity and money that the top quintile and top percent have bled from the economy to enrich themselves. Whether that means socialism or better regulated capitalism is less important to a lot of them. Heck, some of them just want more policies to damage the poors because they're dead certain it's actually taxes and those people taking all the opportunity and money.

woolfe9998 said:
We ran a center left candidate last time, and lost to the worst candidate the GOP has nominated in...ever.
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I'm actually going to say that I don't think he's the worst candidate. Certainly the worst person, and definitely the worst administrator, but he wasn't a particularly bad candidate. He dragged it down to an open referendum on whether enough of white America is on board with naked racism and blatant lies, and that's still a winning bet.
 
xthetenth said:
I'm actually going to say that I don't think he's the worst candidate. Certainly the worst person, and definitely the worst administrator, but he wasn't a particularly bad candidate. He dragged it down to an open referendum on whether enough of white America is on board with naked racism and blatant lies, and that's still a winning bet.
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Do you actually believe this nonsense?
 
Indus said:
Fuck off.

I want someone left of Sanders so all the conservaterrorists loathe us even more.
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Great, and all the Independents like me will also wind up loathing y'all. I sure hope the Dems can come up with someone with broad appeal, because the Pubs are losing their minds (or selling their souls to the devil, which ever comes first).
 
I'm sorry to say the Democrats probably won't be the solution even if they win. That party needs an enema hot and heavy enough to blast out the last 45 years of class-treason and false populism. If it doesn't get it, even a Dem win won't fix things.
 
Ajay said:
Great, and all the Independents like me will also wind up loathing y'all. I sure hope the Dems can come up with someone with broad appeal, because the Pubs are losing their minds (or selling their souls to the devil, which ever comes first).
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If you want conservaterrorists in office, just say so, no point being vague.
 
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Azuma Hazuki said:
I'm sorry to say the Democrats probably won't be the solution even if they win. That party needs an enema hot and heavy enough to blast out the last 45 years of class-treason and false populism. If it doesn't get it, even a Dem win won't fix things.
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How right you are.

Dems are currently corporate democrats and that is a cancer that has to be removed.

Less worrying about billionaires and donors and more about the working poor since we really don't have a middle class anymore.
 
woolfe9998 said:
We ran a center left candidate last time, and lost to the worst candidate the GOP has nominated in...ever. Which doesn't necessarily mean it was because she is a moderate. There were other reasons. Still, there is reason to consider running someone further left next time. Moderates do not excite the base and dems have a turnout problem.

I don't personally think Warren is the right candidate, but I'm ready for a good candidate with views that are further left, especially in terms of taxation, economics and political reform. We could ease off on the identity politics next time.
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The problem with Hillary wasn't that she was left-center, it was that she was Hillary Clinton. Hated by the right more than almost any candidate in the past 20 years...even more than Bill during his elections.
While I agree that in many years, the Dems don't do a good job getting people out to vote, I think lots of people stayed home because they just couldn't fathom the idea that Trump could actually win...especially since the media kept projecting a Clinton landslide.
However, candidates who are farther to the left will only ensure that folks on the right get out to vote...against the "socialist" candidate...even when that candidate is far superior to the one being offered by the right. One thing about the Republicans...they're damned good at "selling" their candidate.
 
It's interesting to see how the parties sort of mirror in each other in various ways over the years. For a long time, the Republicans were stuck focusing on social conservatism (anti abortion, Christian "values" and so forth). Religious conservatism was a cancer within the party. Now the democrats seem to be stuck in identity politics rather than focusing on just having an overall sane candidate to easily beat someone like Trump. They are too focused on bullshit ism-combat and political correctness and pushing for illegal aliens, they have lost sight of what the party is actually supposed to stand for.

If they stop catering to the "I majored in gender studies, down with the patriarchy, we need safe spaces from whites!" crowd and bring a rational candidate I'd gladly support that candidate over the likes of Trump.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
One issue is the obstacle? If true I hope you enjoy Trump.

Admittedly it's early and I know little of the guy but he's the right type.
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One issue? All he proved is that he is just as deep in the pockets of big pharma as any Republican. Unlike Hillary who everyone claims was in corporate pockets but she actually voted against them. Unfortunately, muppet Americans are not capable of evaluating candidates on really complex metrics like voting records.
 
dank69 said:
One issue? All he proved is that he is just as deep in the pockets of big pharma as any Republican. Unlike Hillary who everyone claims was in corporate pockets but she actually voted against them. Unfortunately, muppet Americans are not capable of evaluating candidates on really complex metrics like voting records.
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Just pointing out it's not reasonable to expect a Politician to make the right decision all the time and always support causes that are important to you. Right now if you had a magic want that could deem either Booker or Trump President to 2020 who would you pick, remember it's one or the other.
It's too early to decide who is going to run so I don't want to make this into that. I am tired of particularly us Democrats bitching about this one is better or I'll hold my nose, excetera. Support a goal and work toward that goal don't expect perfection expect progress.
 
buckshot24 said:
Do you actually believe this nonsense?
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Whether I believe it or not is utterly irrelevant. It happened. There is no negotiating with things that have happened, no special pleading that will unmake them. We all need to confront the truth that Donald J Trump ran a campaign doused in naked racism, founded on the prejudices of scared whites, and what did it get him? A place to stand in the Oval Office and be humiliated by the metaphors of noted philosopher George W Bush. That electoral majority was delivered on the back of utterly disproportionate support from white voters. In order to vote for Trump, those voters had to either endorse or excuse all of the naked prejudice. And goddamn if they didn't live up to the challenge.

Every single person who cast a vote for Donald Trump does not consider naked, overt racism to be a disqualification from being the president of the United States of America, and a significant and well positioned enough minority of Americans cast those votes.

Double Trouble said:
If they stop catering to the "I majored in gender studies, down with the patriarchy, we need safe spaces from whites!" crowd and bring a rational candidate I'd gladly support that candidate over the likes of Trump.
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People's lives hang in the balance. You have no ground to stand on when you demand that the policy leave the most vulnerable Americans out in the cold just so you can be more comfortable. However you are probably right. Acknowledging the legitimacy of those claims is a titanic ask of a lot of Americans, and they'd much rather pretend they're political correctness gone mad or some other thought terminating cliché than have to confront what this society is.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Just pointing out it's not reasonable to expect a Politician to make the right decision all the time and always support causes that are important to you. Right now if you had a magic want that could deem either Booker or Trump President to 2020 who would you pick, remember it's one or the other.
It's too early to decide who is going to run so I don't want to make this into that. I am tired of particularly us Democrats bitching about this one is better or I'll hold my nose, excetera. Support a goal and work toward that goal don't expect perfection expect progress.
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Trump, because fuck you America.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
It's too early to decide who is going to run so I don't want to make this into that. I am tired of particularly us Democrats bitching about this one is better or I'll hold my nose, excetera. Support a goal and work toward that goal don't expect perfection expect progress.
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I think the issue is if the candidate is bought and paid for by Wall Street and has no intention of making real progress. Are we going to win an election and watch someone fight tooth and nail over $15 min wage, and call it a day? This country's workers will still be critically hurting. A big portion of Trump's appeal was in claiming to have an economic solution. The answer to trickle down is to counter with our own New Deal. We need to push a nation wide agenda that wants Medicare For All and Universal Basic Income.

That means lifting up Sanders as the gold standard, and working from there. Someone like Booker should be viewed as a compromise of being defeated, not as our ultimate goal. And make no mistake, the United States President is essentially powerless in this regard. It takes nothing short of a sweeping national movement. A bold campaign promising to upend the status quo to earn enough seats in enough places to make a difference.

We need more than a President. We need a political party built on the grass roots of economic revolution. With each passing year automation draws closer, our people need to hear a message that we have solutions to help them through the turbulent times. That they don't need to rely on the fantasies of right wing politics. That we will lead them from the Reagan era into a new era.
 
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