Osama Bin Laden is Dead. President to make a speech soon.

[nick1985]

Well, President clinton is now incorrect. He is not the one who has gotten closest to getting OBL. It took another Democrat to finish the job after republicans dropped the ball, got us bombed on 911 to let OBL escape from tora bora. Then to go and invade the wrong place.

Republicans are crackpots weak on terror and big on bullshit.

The pathetically incompetent dems make fools of reps and clean the messes up once again.

I gotta say big o just won a independent vote for 2012 sign me up this one.

lol wow...

 

[Steeplerot]

lol wow...

This is gonna be the spin just waiting for people to start linking former pres clintons interview on how bush screwed up OBL search.

Gonna be funny how the right wing bullshit merchants spin it for the sheep.

You righties dreamworld is getting hammered. But I am sure your cult like faith is strong.

 

[nick1985]

This is gonna be the spin just waiting for people to start linking former pres clintons interview on how bush screwed up OBL search.

Gonna be funny how the right wing bullshit merchants spin it for the sheep.

You righties dreamworld is getting hammered. But I assure tour faith is strong.

lol wow...

 

[xj0hnx]

This is gonna be the spin just waiting for people to start linking former pres clintons interview on how bush screwed up OBL search.

Gonna be funny how the right wing bullshit merchants spin it for the sheep.

You righties dreamworld is getting hammered. But I assure tour faith is strong.

The only people people spouting shit like you are either left or right partisan hacks, real people don't see it that way.

 

[spidey07]

I don't really understand the focus on GITMO here. Nothing I've seen in the news suggests the intelligence gathered required either the GITMO location or the controversial interrogation techniques synonymous with GITMO.

You haven't been paying attention then. Kalid Shake Mohammed (butchered spelling) is the one that gave up the courier's name that eventually lead to OBL. He gave it up under "enhanced interrogation techniques".

Face it. Gitmo and the CIA special prisons/interrogations are directly responsible for finding and killing OBL and are extremely effective tools in the war on terror. That's why Obama is keeping them.

Obama had his "oh shit, Bush was right" moment and you're seeing the results of these policies. It's the only logical conclusion from him continuing them.

 

[spidey07]

Damn, what a photo.

Body language of Hilary should tell you everything.

 

[Bowfinger]

You haven't been paying attention then. Kalid Shake Mohammed (butchered spelling) is the one that gave up the courier's name that eventually lead to OBL. He gave it up under "enhanced interrogation techniques".

Face it. Gitmo and the CIA special prisons are directly responsible for finding and killing OBL and are extremely effective tools in the war on terror. That's why Obama is keeping them. ...

Again, do you have a credible source to support this claim?


Here's an AP article, printed in the Houston Chronicle (from the first link I found on Google): One unwary phone call led US to bin Laden doorstep

Here are the relevant sections:

[ ... ]
In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.
[ ... ]
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic. ...

 

[Steeplerot]

The only people people spouting shit like you are either left or right partisan hacks, real people don't see it that way.

Why not? It was president clinton that started the pursuit of OBL. Reps contributed getting bombed and letting obl escape. And invading the wrong country. Squirm. You talk radio cultists wouldn't know what normal people think anymore a long time ago.

Your republican fake tea party scam is a big bowl of brown hot water that is swirling down to where it belongs. Down the toilet.

 

[Pocatello]

Well, President clinton is now incorrect. He is not the one who has gotten closest to getting OBL. It took another Democrat to finish the job after republicans dropped the ball, got us bombed on 911 to let OBL escape from tora bora. Then to go and invade the wrong place.

Republicans are crackpots weak on terror and big on bullshit.

The pathetically incompetent dems make fools of reps and clean the messes up once again.

I gotta say big o just won a independent vote for 2012 sign me up this one.

(The banksters still gotta go tho)

I have bad news for you dude, Lenin, Stalin, and Lenin are already dead. Fidel Castro can't run, neither can Chavez.

 

[spidey07]

Again, do you have a credible source to support this claim?


Here's an AP article, printed in the Houston Chronicle (from the first link I found on Google): One unwary phone call led US to bin Laden doorstep

Here are the relevant sections:

Way to nit-pick. He gave it up at a CIA special prison which is what lefties were all up in arms about among others.

You're nit-picking the difference between "standard interrogation" and "enhanced interrogation" in a "secret CIA prison". All of those things were what libtards were against, and they have proven extremely useful in killing OBL. If Obama had his way all of those tools would be gone, that's what he promised in his campaign right?

But yet he's still using them. Why is that? Logic says because they work and their effectiveness is proven with today's accomplishment. Thanks Bush! And Thanks Obama for continuing it!

 

[Steeplerot]

I have bad news for you dude, Lenin, Stalin, and Lenin are already dead. Fidel Castro can't run, neither can Chavez.

Its too easy, like taking candy from babies.

 

[xj0hnx]

Again, do you have a credible source to support this claim?


Here's an AP article, printed in the Houston Chronicle (from the first link I found on Google): One unwary phone call led US to bin Laden doorstep

Here are the relevant sections:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-abbottabad-hideout

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/02/wikileaks-gitmo-dump.html

Those took about two seconds of GoogleFu

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm very happy and proud of our effort to take him out. I feel that it is the end of an era, and a new era can now begin; an era that has a lot more understanding of who are enemy really is and how to combat him.

-John

 

[Bowfinger]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-abbottabad-hideout

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/02/wikileaks-gitmo-dump.html

Those took about two seconds of GoogleFu

Interesting, though the second link shows we got a lead about the town, but not about the courier that actually led us to OBL. The first link has that same WikiLeaks citation. It also quotes Bush administration officials as stating we got important information via Gitmo, but that's an old quote. It appears the Guardian is inferring that old quote applies to yesterday's raid.

Close, but neither contradicts the AP article, and neither shows waterboarding produced intel used yesterday. But thanks, that's more than Spidey has.

 

[fskimospy]

And yet they have such great correlation . . .

Huh? They have a correlation of exactly zero. Just admit it, you once again made up a position for someone to hold.

 

[fskimospy]

You haven't been paying attention then. Kalid Shake Mohammed (butchered spelling) is the one that gave up the courier's name that eventually lead to OBL. He gave it up under "enhanced interrogation techniques".

Face it. Gitmo and the CIA special prisons/interrogations are directly responsible for finding and killing OBL and are extremely effective tools in the war on terror. That's why Obama is keeping them.

Obama had his "oh shit, Bush was right" moment and you're seeing the results of these policies. It's the only logical conclusion from him continuing them.

You know you can just admit you're wrong instead of trying to invent some special situation.

The article says they were given up under standard interrogation techniques. In order to justify the use of torture and those special prisons, you have to show that they gave up that information under torture and that they would have been unlikely to do so without either the special prisons or torture.

Of course you can't do that, because you're spidey. You think that raving like a lunatic is a good substitute for an actual argument.

 

[spidey07]

You know you can just admit you're wrong instead of trying to invent some special situation.

The article says they were given up under standard interrogation techniques. In order to justify the use of torture and those special prisons, you have to show that they gave up that information under torture and that they would have been unlikely to do so without either the special prisons or torture.

Of course you can't do that, because you're spidey. You think that raving like a lunatic is a good substitute for an actual argument.

Lulz, I love the libtard back peddle.

Gitmo BAD!
Secret CIA prisons BAD!
enhanced interrogations BAD!
"Oh, only one of 3 is bad. Yeah Obama!"

You and other libtards are focusing on one single aspect, STILL you guys won't let it go...STILL, really? while you were denouncing the entire toolset. And now when Obama used the same intelligence techniques you deflect back to water boarding.

The hypocrisy is amusing and shameful at the same time. I'm happy nobama made the right choice for once of continuing Bush policies. Tis a great victory indeed. I don't care who is in office, this is a good victory. And may the fuck be upon Obama.

 

[Nebor]

if you are right, then 50+ news stories are wrong. including ones directly citing "official reports".

He's right. MH-60s were used.

 

[fskimospy]

Lulz, I love the libtard back peddle.

Gitmo BAD!
Secret CIA prisons BAD!
enhanced interrogations BAD!
"Oh, only one of 3 is bad. Yeah Obama!"

You and other libtards are focusing on one single aspect, STILL you guys won't let it go...STILL, really? while you were denouncing the entire toolset. And now when Obama used the same intelligence techniques you deflect back to water boarding.

The hypocrisy is amusing and shameful at the same time. I'm happy nobama made the right choice for once of continuing Bush policies. Tis a great victory indeed. I don't care who is in office, this is a good victory. And may the fuck be upon Obama.

Oh spidey, you try so hard. I just want to pat you on the head sometimes.

 

[colonel]

He's right. MH-60s were used.

is a Black Hawk , no a Chinook for God sake !!

 

[nick1985]

I thought they were using Huey's?

 

[wuliheron]

It was Huey, Louie, and Dewey. I know they look alike. Everyone gets them confused.

 

[werepossum]

Have you considered the alternative explanation that your overly simplistic characterization of the left is just the product of lazy debating? After all, the strawman has a long history in politics, and it's much easier to suggest liberals are opposed to fighting terrorists in general than to think that maybe they just object to certain approaches to it.

That's what I meant when I said "preserving the bumper sticker view of the world". Stupid people have trouble with the idea that liberals and conservatives both want to bring people like Osama bin Laden to justice, it's MUCH more satisfying to believe that liberals, against all evidence to the contrary, want to give Osama nothing more than a radio show on NPR, and only true patriotic, American, conservatives, want to protect America.

I'm sure that the lefties were as full of nuance as ever. However, his point was what they were saying, not the motivations behind those sayings. For the record, I have no problem whatsoever believing that the left (most of it) wanted Bin Laden brought to justice. However, it is undeniably true that the left has also been railing against unilateral actions, invading sovereign foreign countries, assassination without trial or arrest, rendition, and the very existence of Guantanamo and other secret CIA interrogation prisons - in short, against many of the very things that President Obama used to kill Usama Bin Laden.

 

[Zorkorist]

But the fact is that we as a nation have grown to understand the threat that these fanatics pose. We have learned new ways to attack that threat, rather than invading countries, torturing prisoners, etc.

We can only hope that Osama's death closes this dark era.

-John

 

[davmat787]

ahh ok, that doesn't look like a chinook wreck though...

Right, because it is the carcass of a Blackhawk after being intentionally blown up by US Forces. Chinooks don't have tail booms as seen in the pic, they are the copters with two rotors on top rotating in opposite directions.