Osama Bin Laden is Dead. President to make a speech soon.

[boomerang]

 

[werepossum]

Do you actually believe that I think other nations are entitled to money from America?

You've argued that pretty strenuously for North Korea and Pakistan on these boards.

 

[fskimospy]

You've argued that pretty strenuously for North Korea and Pakistan on these boards.

No I haven't. What is good US policy and what other nations are entitled to are two completely different things.

 

[totalnoob]

cool pics - http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/05/osama_bin_laden_killed.html

 

[werepossum]

No I haven't. What is good US policy and what other nations are entitled to are two completely different things.

And yet they have such great correlation . . .

 

[Rainsford]

You've proven that quite aptly in your complete denial of 10 years of sentiment.

If you are going to say with a straight face, that the unilateral action of invading a foreign country, and assassinating a man without trial or arrest, based on information that wouldn't have been obtained but for the existence of Guantanamo, doesn't fly in the face of every principal put forth by the left over the last 10 years, then you're a clueless dupe.

Good for you though, again, I'm glad you can so quickly change your mind about the ends justifying the means.

It really is all about preserving your bumper sticker view of the world no matter what, isn't it?

 

[werepossum]

It really is all about preserving your bumper sticker view of the world no matter what, isn't it?

He's completely accurate about the left in general, including Senator Obama and candidate Obama. Thank G-d President Obama is a more pragmatic creature. Either Obama never believed all that crap and regurgitated it only for political benefit, or he does believe it but was able to swallow his own druthers and do what had to be done. Either way, we win and Usama loses.

 

[Finalnight]

HP has gotta be loving this:

P050111PS-0210 by The White House, on Flickr

 

[xj0hnx]

He's completely accurate about the left in general, including Senator Obama and candidate Obama. Thank G-d President Obama is a more pragmatic creature. Either Obama never believed all that crap and regurgitated it only for political benefit, or he does believe it but was able to swallow his own druthers and do what had to be done. Either way, we win and Usama loses.

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, it makes a lot of sense now that he did an immediate about face on GITMO, and "made "catching" Osama a priority".

 

[HybridSquirrel]

cool pics - http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/05/osama_bin_laden_killed.html

explain this? I thought it was a pretty clean grab and go type deal, no losses on our side at all? does osama have military helicopterS?

 

[Rainsford]

He's completely accurate about the left in general, including Senator Obama and candidate Obama. Thank G-d President Obama is a more pragmatic creature. Either Obama never believed all that crap and regurgitated it only for political benefit, or he does believe it but was able to swallow his own druthers and do what had to be done. Either way, we win and Usama loses.

Have you considered the alternative explanation that your overly simplistic characterization of the left is just the product of lazy debating? After all, the strawman has a long history in politics, and it's much easier to suggest liberals are opposed to fighting terrorists in general than to think that maybe they just object to certain approaches to it.

That's what I meant when I said "preserving the bumper sticker view of the world". Stupid people have trouble with the idea that liberals and conservatives both want to bring people like Osama bin Laden to justice, it's MUCH more satisfying to believe that liberals, against all evidence to the contrary, want to give Osama nothing more than a radio show on NPR, and only true patriotic, American, conservatives, want to protect America.

 

[Rainsford]

explain this? I thought it was a pretty clean grab and go type deal, no losses on our side at all? does osama have military helicopterS?

A helicopter crashed with no American losses, then was blown up by special forces on the way out.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

A helicopter crashed with no American losses, then was blown up by special forces on the way out.

ahh ok, that doesn't look like a chinook wreck though...

 

[Rainsford]

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, it makes a lot of sense now that he did an immediate about face on GITMO, and "made "catching" Osama a priority".

I don't really understand the focus on GITMO here. Nothing I've seen in the news suggests the intelligence gathered required either the GITMO location or the controversial interrogation techniques synonymous with GITMO.

 

[Rainsford]

ahh ok, that doesn't look like a chinook wreck though...

I'm just repeating what I've heard in the news. I suspect a lot of details will remain under wraps for some time though

 

[colonel]

Black Hawk CH60, destroyed for the SEALS in the way out....

 

[HybridSquirrel]

I'm just repeating what I've heard in the news. I suspect a lot of details will remain under wraps for some time though

yeah I just saw a news report that said a 'chinook helicopter crashed during brown out conditions from the dust' that section doesn't really look like something from a chinook...thats all.

 

[colonel]

I'm just repeating what I've heard in the news. I suspect a lot of details will remain under wraps for some time though

can't be a chinnook, the make a Hell of noise, is a Black Hawk horse....

 

[HybridSquirrel]

can't be a chinnook, the make a Hell of noise, is a Black Hawk horse....

One official said that the stricken helicopter was a CH-47 Chinook and there was an unconfirmed report that the other was a modified MH-60.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...AL-team-killed-bin-Laden-in-his-compound.html


So it was either a Chinook or a Seahawk (essentially a blackhawk). It doesn't look like either to me, but I am no expert

 

[colonel]

my wife works for Sikorsky and I see them all the time in the open house, I m living just 10m from the Sikorsky, Sea Hawks are heavy and they carry a lot of fuel ( two tanks) the Black Hawks are the CH60 they are the one for the job in this case. Chinooks are heavy for this operation... let me ask the wife ...

 

[CLite]

by The White House, on Flickr

that is a really cool site.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

my wife works for Sikorsky and I see them all the time in the open house, I m living just 10m from the Sikorsky, Sea Hawks are heavy and they carry a lot of fuel ( two tanks) the Black Hawks are the CH60 they are the one for the job in this case. Chinooks are heavy for this operation... let me ask the wife ...

if you are right, then 50+ news stories are wrong. including ones directly citing "official reports".

 

[Bowfinger]

I thought I'd post this here too, since I see PJ and others claiming this was somehow due to intel we got at Guantanamo through waterboarding, or similar "aggressive interrogation" techniques. That doesn't appear to be correct based on what I've read. Can anyone cite a credible source supporting this? (I haven't read the whole thread, so if it's already here somewhere I'd appreciate a link.)


Here's an AP article, printed in the Houston Chronicle (from the first link I found on Google): One unwary phone call led US to bin Laden doorstep

Here are the relevant sections:

[ ... ]
In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.
[ ... ]
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic. ...

 

[yllus]

HP has gotta be loving this:

P050111PS-0210 by The White House, on Flickr

Damn, what a photo.

 

[Steeplerot]

Well, President clinton is now incorrect. He is not the one who has gotten closest to getting OBL. It took another Democrat to finish the job after republicans dropped the ball, got us bombed on 911 to let OBL escape from tora bora. Then to go and invade the wrong place.

Republicans are crackpots weak on terror and big on bullshit.

The pathetically incompetent dems make fools of reps and clean the messes up once again.

I gotta say big o just won a independent vote for 2012 sign me up this one.

(The banksters still gotta go tho)