Hardly. I think they are in it for the money and I don't believe we can trust their numbers. I wonder what numbers Bush/Cheney were using in there "secret energy policy" meetings?
Hardly. I think they are in it for the money and I don't believe we can trust their numbers. I wonder what numbers Bush/Cheney were using in there "secret energy policy" meetings?
The Propagandist is considering addressing the nation to request people conserve energy usage.
Guess it's something that's too sensical to be part of a national energy plan.
Guess it's something that's too sensical to be part of a national energy plan.
Oh, oops. What was that that the VP said?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-05-07-wickham.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-05-07-wickham.htm
I would imagine that $4/gallon will do more for conservation than the president coming on TV asking everyone to conserve.
There is only so much the public can conserve. I doubt we can conserve so much that the price of gas goes to $3 or $2.
werd...and 0marTheZealot's comments are accurate, too.
Unless every SUV is parked and people ride bikes, take the bus/train, etc., nothing is going to bring the price of oil/gas down until the speculation and fear subsides.
I agree. The point is that it will take something drastic, like gasoline really becoming too expensive to waste before people stop wasting fuel.
The goal should be to reduce our dependance on oil by changing our lifestyles, not to get back to the point where we can waste again.
When it gets to the point that people can't afford to put the gas in the car, there won't be any choice. You either find another way to get back and forth to work or stay at home and lose your job. Then it's REALLY going to be hard to put gas in the car.
Not neccessarily - the reason our prices are as high as they are now is due much more to the lack of refinery capacity to process the crude oil, not the availability of the crude oil itself. The price per barrel of oil is only a small factor in the price of gas (for the CURRENT situation). Two years ago, when Bush released oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the price per barrel dropped to the 20's per barrel. Gas dropped below $1.00/gallon. Last year, crude oil was around $45/barrel (double from the previous year) and gas was around $1.49 per gallon. At $60/barrel gas jumped to $1.99/gallon. From that point, the fluctuations we have seen (according to the petroleum companies themselves) have been directly related to the demand for processed (ie: refined) oil, which we do not thave the facilities to produce. There is no lack of crude oil itself, and OPEC is completely overjoyed that we greedy Americans are willing to pay so much for what they still have plenty of.
The whole concept of "If we don't use it, other countries will" is ludicrous. China does not have the refinery capacity either - why do you think they were trying to buy Unocal? to help the US? No, they needed Unocal's refineries to supply China with processed oil, which would have REALLY driven up prices here! Most of Europe is highly dependant on mass-transporation and high-efficiency autos (see Here) that get between 44 to 64 MPG (and that's for the sports-roadster models). How many cars are available here in the US that get more than 35MPG??? Very Few!!
Actually then you would hear the Oil & Gas Companies moan that they aren't making record profits anymore and they would raise prices even higher.
Here we were supposedly worrying about Saddam and his WMD taking out America and it will be the Oil Companies taking it down.
Poetic Justice at it's finest.
Reports of stations in west Ga. running out of gas. Macon to run out soon. N.C. stations rumored to be running out, too.
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This sucks :|
I live in Western North Carolina. Our gas stations are closing and sending the employees home, nothing to sell. Some still have premium, it's well over $3 a gallon.
They don't seem to know when deliveries will start again. Something about our gas comes from a pipeline that terminates in Spartanburg SC and it's offline. Not sure I quite understand, but it's causing a bit of a panic here.
Edit: Not a rumor about the NC stations Conjur. Glad I drive a 4 cylinder Toyota.
I live in Western North Carolina. Our gas stations are closing and sending the employees home, nothing to sell. Some still have premium, it's well over $3 a gallon.
They don't seem to know when deliveries will start again. Something about our gas comes from a pipeline that terminates in Spartanburg SC and it's offline. Not sure I quite understand, but it's causing a bit of a panic here.
Edit: Not a rumor about the NC stations Conjur. Glad I drive a 4 cylinder Toyota.
I'm in Athens, Ga and I know of a few places that have run out already. I ended up getting premium because the station was out of the other two. That, after passing a station selling regular for 3 bucks.
OK. Panic has struck. Now I'm hearing that paople are fighting for gas and even police are having to get involved at some stations here in Athens. Totally rediculous.
Kroger's here is running out of gas. Only premium is left. WAVE-3 TV to have video at 6pm of drivers "getting nasty" at a gas station.
After hearing all the noise about what gas prices might reach in the wake of Katrina...am I the only person who hopes it's true? I personally have plenty of disposable income, so it won't hurt me very much, but people who spend a larger portion of their money on gas could be hurt by it. In fact, I'm HOPING that happens. Not because I want to see anyone hurt, but because it will take a big shock to make us stop being so damn stupid when it comes to gas. We reap what we sow, and although I feel bad for the individuals hurt by it, as a society we need to see the consequences of our poor decision making skills.
No widespread shortages (yet) here in central Pennsylvania, but there are reports of scattered stations (those with the lowest prices) running out temporarily. Gov. Rendell says there's no shortage *at this time*, but advising everyone to conserve wherever possible so as to avoid causing a crisis situation.
Far as I've heard, nobody above $3.00 (yet) for unleaded regular, though most are teetering within 20 cents of it.
Far as I've heard, nobody above $3.00 (yet) for unleaded regular, though most are teetering within 20 cents of it.
While I understand what you're saying, the problem is that the ones that are least able to afford it are the ones that are going to be the worst off (people with Hummers and SUVs will probably bitch and moan, but pay it anyway and not think much more of it). You're really not hurting the ones that *need* to be hurt by it.
I just had a thought...are the oil companies TRYING to cause a panic? Surely they don't operate on the kind of buget where selling at a loss for a few days would hurt them in the long run, yet gas in my area has gone up $0.30 per gallon just today. That kind of rapid rise is exactly what causes people to panic, and it doesn't seem necessary for the prices to rise like that. Why do it?
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