Oregon bakery owners refuse to pay $135G in damages in gay wedding cake case

[fskimospy]

LoL, that information is right there in the lawsuit at the top of the document XXXXX vs YYYYYY. Anybody reporting on the lawsuit knows that information immediately. Good gawd dude, how long have you lived in the United States anyways? Do you EVER watch the news? In every single lawsuit ever reported in the news that I have seen, they name the litigants. I don't believe I have ever heard of damages collected because litigant names were published. I could be wrong about that (I am quite ignorant).

You are quite ignorant, haha.

Remember that case Roe v. Wade? The woman's name isn't actually Jane Roe.

Dumbass.

 

[bshole]

You are quite ignorant, haha.

Remember that case Roe v. Wade? The woman's name isn't actually Jane Roe.

Dumbass.

There is your recipe for riches folks. Sue to force your local school district to include Creation Science in their curriculum. When they publish your name in the news, sue them for publishing your name..... double bonus baby!!




That secrecy knife cuts in ALL directions.... and is an affront to freedom in my opinion. Works well in authoritarian states though.

 

[fskimospy]

There is your recipe for riches folks. Sue to force your local school district to include Creation Science in their curriculum. When they publish your name in the news, sue them for publishing your name..... double bonus baby!!

That secrecy knife cuts in ALL directions.... and is an affront to freedom in my opinion. Works well in authoritarian states though.

Yeah, if there's one hallmark of authoritarian states it's responsive court systems for individuals.

wut.

 

[WackyDan]

I suggest you all read the following article. It was written about Kim Davis but specifically mentions the cake case. I think the article defines pretty well why the cake business owners deserve an appeal.

http://www.cato.org/blog/kim-davis-no-martyr-barronelle-stutzman

 

[CitizenKain]

You disagree? How would they have obtained this info? Thought so...

So people wrote to a bakery to complain, bakery publishes their complaint in public with their contact info, knowing that the rightwingers would jump all over it.

There is your recipe for riches folks. Sue to force your local school district to include Creation Science in their curriculum. When they publish your name in the news, sue them for publishing your name..... double bonus baby!!


That secrecy knife cuts in ALL directions.... and is an affront to freedom in my opinion. Works well in authoritarian states though.

Maybe you should spend time actually reading things then trying to understand them, then post.

 

[feralkid]

a cake.

 

[umbrella39]

It's important to note they were not fined for the publishing of the home address and personal info as was circulating around the Net... They violated state law, the commissioner found, and that unlawful action caused real harm to their victims.

“Within Oregon’s public accommodations law is the basic principle of human decency that every person, regardless of their sexual orientation, has the freedom to fully participate in society,” the commissioner ruled. “The ability to enter public places, to shop, to dine, to move about unfettered by bigotry.”

“The damages are outlined in the order and directly relate to the couple’s suffering as a result of the denial of service and unlawful discrimination,” Burr said. “No damages were awarded as a result of any media coverage.”

That should clear it up.

 

[feralkid]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

Good thing you didn't have to resort to hyperbole to make your point.



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[brycejones]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

This is your brain on drugs.

 

[Vic]

fuck them. they are nothing more then scam artist. they get fined and get people to donate and they get 500k.

and now refuse to pay? they just scammed the people who donated out of money

This. Which IMO was the Kleins intentions from the beginning.

 

[Darwin333]

Their own financial situation notwithstanding, they have been given over half a million dollars. If they, at the time of the court order, have the ability to pay and then after the court order spend all the money on hookers and blow isn't that some sort of fraud?

BTW, where is everyone that usually calls people who don't pay their debts deadbeats? If you die in jail because you couldn't afford to pay a single traffic ticket in the hundreds of dollars, a fine that was set by the courts, that's "personal responsibility". If the courts fine you a hundred grand, that we know for a fact you have the means to pay with other peoples money, yet you refuse to and you get to continue running your business from home?

 

[Darwin333]

I agree with this. If a cake costs 500 bucks that means they'd have to serve 270 gay couples in their store. They'd be up to their eyeballs in gays. Would be perfect.

Hell no.

Poor folk are thrown in jail every few minutes (if not more) because they couldn't afford to pay an absurd fine the state imposed on them. Throw these fuckers in jail too and hopefully give them the gayest (yet not rapey, I don't wish that on anyone) cellmate they can find.

 

[justoh]

Hell no.

Poor folk are thrown in jail every few minutes (if not more) because they couldn't afford to pay an absurd fine the state imposed on them. Throw these fuckers in jail too and hopefully give them the gayest (yet not rapey, I don't wish that on anyone) cellmate they can find.

How about nobody gets thrown in jail over absurd fines. How about no absurd fines?

 

[Cozarkian]

It is a really bad idea to award emotional distress damages for this kind of activity. Imagine the victim here was a thick-skinned, emotionally well-balanced individual who remained calm but decided to file a lawsuit to prevent this kind of treatment being repeated for other gay customers. Said person deserves just as much as a self-loathing crybaby but can't produce evidence of emotional distress.

Accommodation laws need a set fine.

 

[bozack]

Why should anyone suing a business have their personal information exposed to the public? What possible rationale is there for that?

Why should they only get the cost of a cake? That would mean that there was literally no downside to discriminating against someone and no one would ever sue to enforce those laws.

Unless your goal is to render these sort of laws useless these are all bad ideas. If your goal is to render these sort of laws useless, well that's pretty shitty.

Most civil suits are public record and very rarely does a court permit them to be filed under an alias, you need to be a minor or have some really exceptional circumstances.

So with that said, and the further clarification that the damages awarded had absolutely nothing to do with the facebook post or the fact they published the name this is all a moot point.

We see this happen all the time where business owners will call out poor reviewers on social media and conversely patrons will critique shop owners ....

The patron decided to sue the bakery instead of just buying a cake elsewhere so they took on the risk of public scrutiny by initiating this lawsuit, hence why they should at best get the cost of the cake back (heck they didn't even pay for a cake)

Regardless it doesn't matter, they are appealing the decision and chances are won't pay the judgement, it will probably get reduced to a far lesser amount anyway.

 

[DrDoug]

ha you absolutely can....there are thousands if not more of folks who do this every day with child services, yeah they might garnish your wages eventually if you work for a company but if you have your own cash business good luck, and whose to say they don't rent...can't put a lein on that....can't get blood from a stone.

Again, if I were them I wouldn't pay it either

It sounds like they own a house. I wonder how long they will have it if they keep refusing to pay? Lately it seems like a lot of christians seem to think their religion trumps the law.

It doesn't, get over it.

 

[bozack]

It sounds like they own a house. I wonder how long they will have it if they keep refusing to pay? Lately it seems like a lot of christians seem to think their religion trumps the law.

It doesn't, get over it.

This has nothing to do with "Christians and religious right" this has to do with ridiculous awards for the sake of making a statement....I agree with others that they should set a cap on these types of judgements...

And also are you going off that article where it says they bake from "home" or do you have some other source which shows they own property, I haven't looked so can't say for certain, but if I were them and faced with their situation you can bet I would have long sold any property I had, moved the proceeds into cash and started renting.

 

[Vic]

It sounds like they own a house. I wonder how long they will have it if they keep refusing to pay? Lately it seems like a lot of christians seem to think their religion trumps the law.

It doesn't, get over it.

Seems legit. The Bible says that charging interest is also an abomination so Christians shouldn't have to pay their mortgages, right?

 

[MagickMan]

They can take advantage of whatever legal rights they have, I don't have a problem with it. But at the end if they lose, they lose.
If they are claiming financial hardship, the topic of their assets will come into question.

Have they filed a claim stating financial hardship?

It's common for the appellant to post some sort of bond or security in an appeal. That ensures that there is money to pay the other party if the appeal should fail. Otherwise the funds tend to "disappear" when the appeal looks like its going bad.

That doesn't appear to be the case in their state.

 

[Meghan54]

nm

 

[woolfe9998]

LoL, that information is right there in the lawsuit at the top of the document XXXXX vs YYYYYY. Anybody reporting on the lawsuit knows that information immediately. Good gawd dude, how long have you lived in the United States anyways? Do you EVER watch the news? In every single lawsuit ever reported in the news that I have seen, they name the litigants. I don't believe I have ever heard of damages collected because litigant names were published. I could be wrong about that (I am quite ignorant).

There is your recipe for riches folks. Sue to force your local school district to include Creation Science in their curriculum. When they publish your name in the news, sue them for publishing your name..... double bonus baby!!

You're right, in this case, the publication of their names and likely press involvement was inevitable. The problem is that it became inevitable due to the defendants' unlawful conduct. If someone breaks the law, you have a right to sue, and any emotional distress you experience because of the lawsuit is going to be the defendants' responsibility, assuming you can prove they broke the law. That is why they were awarded damages for the publication of the information - quite simply, it would never have happened but for the defendants' unlawful discrimination. It's the exact same thing as when a losing defendant has to pay the plaintiff's court costs. Those costs were incurred because of a lawsuit the plaintiff filed because the defendant broke the law.

 

[NoStateofMind]

If you are forced to serve someone against your will isn't that slavery?

 

[justoh]

You're right, in this case, the publication of their names and likely press involvement was inevitable. The problem is that it became inevitable due to the defendants' unlawful conduct. If someone breaks the law, you have a right to sue, and any emotional distress you experience because of the lawsuit is going to be the defendants' responsibility, assuming you can prove they broke the law. That is why they were awarded damages for the publication of the information - quite simply, it would never have happened but for the defendants' unlawful discrimination. It's the exact same thing as when a losing defendant has to pay the plaintiff's court costs. Those costs were incurred because of a lawsuit the plaintiff filed because the defendant broke the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rwise-publicizing-the-complaint-against-them/

No, the Oregon bakers weren’t fined for publishing the complainant’s home address, or for otherwise publicizing the complaint against them

maybe not?

 

[feralkid]

If you are forced to serve someone against your will isn't that slavery?

You know nothing of slavery.

 

[NoStateofMind]

You know nothing of slavery.

Oh slavery doesn't include forcing others to do your bidding? Please explain for us what slavery is then oh wise one!