Oregon bakery owners refuse to pay $135G in damages in gay wedding cake case

[senseamp]

Usually I'm an asshole when I say things like this, but this time I'm being sincere. You need therapy for your rage/anger mgmt issues. Kicking them out on the street isn't going to help your cause, it'll only make things worse.

Also, I never said they shouldn't pay, I just said that $500k is a legal defense fund and it should be used for that until they run out of appeals options (if they feel they need to continue seeking exoneration). That aside, it's time for the USSC to weigh in on matters of this type, but I'm going to guess that they'll tell them to pay it, regardless, since the damages awarded were partially due to them going after the people who are seeking legal action against them.

I need therapy for saying how the world works when you don't pay your judgments? OK. It's not rocket science, they didn't invent a workaround.
They have the ability to pay cash now, and keep their assets.
They are welcome to spend that donation money on appeals, but of course, if they lose, they shouldn't complain that they have no money left to pay and end up losing their business/house instead.

 

[WHAMPOM]

$135K for emotional damages does seem excessive. The only justification I can see in the size of the award is as message to other bakeries. When I was in college, I saw hazing on a scale far far far far worse than denying a gay cake. I know of people that committed suicide due to the cruel treatment of peers. All of this oppression resulted in not a penny for the beseiged.

You know nothing of this case and that is what your opinion is worth. If you saw worse harassment that even lead to suicides and did nothing you are the reason such evil acts flourish to this day.

 

[sm625]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

 

[alien42]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Don't be a bigoted, xenophobic, hateful business and simply treat all customers equally

ftfy, but i really want to know why you support such hatred.

 

[umbrella39]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

Don't discriminate against people and you can still live the American Dream. If you can't jive with that, a small business probably isn't the right move for you.

 

[CitizenKain]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

Funny, still seems to be a lot of small businesses making it.

However, if you run one that is based on breaking the law, don't expect it to last just because you think it should. I'm sure we as a species are missing out the business you would run.

 

[bshole]

The award was supposed to have been paid into escrow so that if they lost the appeal the award would be paid out and if they won the appeal it would be refunded.

The 135k was because the bakers published personal information about the gay couple which lead to them being harassed.

So if a party sues you or files a complaint against you, you can't publish information about the party attacking you?

I can see an award based on denying service or harassing the couple. An award based strictly on publishing true information about an action against yourself doesn't seem reasonable.

 

[OverVolt]

135k is a helluva cake.

 

[K1052]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

As part owner of a "small business" compliance with state public accommodation law is one of the simpler things we have to deal with. It's pretty straightforward. The business in question made a decision to willfully violate the law and publicized the information of the people who made the (entirely valid) complaint. That bakery can go fuck itself six ways to sunday.

You really don't sound like the kind of person to operate a small business though. You'd have a fatal heart attack before you got the incorporation paperwork filed.

 

[bshole]

As part owner of a "small business" compliance with state public accommodation law is one of the simpler things we have to deal with. It's pretty straightforward. The business in question made a decision to willfully violate the law and publicized the information of the people who made the (entirely valid) complaint. That bakery can go fuck itself six ways to sunday.

You really don't sound like the kind of person to operate a small business though. You'd have a fatal heart attack before you got the incorporation paperwork filed.

For my own information, are you a millioinaire? It is my understanding that most small business owners are significantly wealthier than mid-level professionals such as myself. I admire the courage and initiative of small business owners. I wish I could have been one.

 

[justoh]

Maybe the bakers wouldn't even have had their info were it not for their frivolous bullshit. Bakers harassed first.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a message to all small business. The message is clear: Shut down now. Your country is gone. Close your doors and get on welfare. Any thoughts I had of ever opening a business have been completely eliminated thanks to this disgusting loathesome government and these sick bastards. These disgusting fools cannot run out of other peoples money soon enough.

Yeah I'm sure you were just about to start up a small business until you realized you had to serve gay people.

Aren't you the guy who buys into fluoride conspiracies as well?

 

[OverVolt]

Yeah I'm sure you were just about to start up a small business until you realized you had to serve gay people.

Aren't you the guy who buys into fluoride conspiracies as well?

Oh dang gay people can just walk right in and buy my products and services?

 

[CitizenKain]

Maybe the bakers wouldn't even had had their info were it not for their frivolous bullshit. Bakers harassed first.

Amazing how stupid people like you are.

 

[OverVolt]

Amazing how stupid people like you are.

Two weddings one cake

you never know.

:awe:

 

[justoh]

Amazing how stupid people like you are.

You disagree? How would they have obtained this info? Thought so...

 

[bozack]

They can take their house, or their business. Maybe these stupid rednecks would learn then.

What house? what Business?

Again like I said, if they run their "Business" now out of their apartment and its all cash, good luck getting anything out of them

As for the fact they posted public information, I really feel that if anyone decides to sue a company their information should be public (most likely it will be eventually), the amount is ridiculous, at most they should have gotten the cost of the cake.

 

[senseamp]

We have courts for a reason. If it's too high, appeal. But we are also a nation of laws, so if you lose, pay up. Or go to bankruptcy court and see what they can do for you.
In any case, these guys think they are very clever, OK, but there are legal procedures in place to handle folks who don't think they should pay their judgments. Otherwise no one would ever pay.

 

[bozack]

Bolded for truth.

The original complaint was done via smartphone and the disclaimer notifying them that their full name and address would be sent to the bakery owners was never seen – and Aaron Klein shared that information, along with the complaint, on his personal Facebook page.

After they shared the couple’s personal contact information – it led to death threats that nearly caused them to lose custody of their foster children.

They fucked up, pay up, then STFU.

This is BS, if the complaint was done via a smart phone and the couple didn't see a disclaimer then that is on them, or the system which they used to submit a complaint

Was there any responsibility of the owner to keep the complaint confidential?

 

[MagickMan]

I need therapy for saying how the world works when you don't pay your judgments? OK. It's not rocket science, they didn't invent a workaround.
They have the ability to pay cash now, and keep their assets.
They are welcome to spend that donation money on appeals, but of course, if they lose, they shouldn't complain that they have no money left to pay and end up losing their business/house instead.

Why should anyone pay before their appeals? That's why there are appeals.

 

[senseamp]

Why should anyone pay before their appeals? That's why there are appeals.

They can take advantage of whatever legal rights they have, I don't have a problem with it. But at the end if they lose, they lose.
If they are claiming financial hardship, the topic of their assets will come into question.

 

[Mike64]

Bankruptcy won't necessarily discharge all court judgments. Personally, given my feelings about them, their actions and this case, I'll just say that I hope they're getting their legal advice from Interwebs forums like this one...

 

[sactoking]

This is BS, if the complaint was done via a smart phone and the couple didn't see a disclaimer then that is on them, or the system which they used to submit a complaint

Was there any responsibility of the owner to keep the complaint confidential?

It actually doesn't really matter if the app disclosed that their personal information would be sent to the other party or not. The fact that the bakers disclosed the information with the intent to harass is the issue.

Why should anyone pay before their appeals? That's why there are appeals.

It's common for the appellant to post some sort of bond or security in an appeal. That ensures that there is money to pay the other party if the appeal should fail. Otherwise the funds tend to "disappear" when the appeal looks like its going bad.

 

[fskimospy]

What house? what Business?

Again like I said, if they run their "Business" now out of their apartment and its all cash, good luck getting anything out of them

As for the fact they posted public information, I really feel that if anyone decides to sue a company their information should be public (most likely it will be eventually), the amount is ridiculous, at most they should have gotten the cost of the cake.

Why should anyone suing a business have their personal information exposed to the public? What possible rationale is there for that?

Why should they only get the cost of a cake? That would mean that there was literally no downside to discriminating against someone and no one would ever sue to enforce those laws.

Unless your goal is to render these sort of laws useless these are all bad ideas. If your goal is to render these sort of laws useless, well that's pretty shitty.

 

[bshole]

Why should anyone suing a business have their personal information exposed to the public? What possible rationale is there for that?

LoL, that information is right there in the lawsuit at the top of the document XXXXX vs YYYYYY. Anybody reporting on the lawsuit knows that information immediately. Good gawd dude, how long have you lived in the United States anyways? Do you EVER watch the news? In every single lawsuit ever reported in the news that I have seen, they name the litigants. I don't believe I have ever heard of damages collected because litigant names were published. I could be wrong about that (I am quite ignorant).

There is your recipe for riches folks. Sue to force your local school district to include Creation Science in their curriculum. When they publish your name in the news, sue them for publishing your name..... double bonus baby!!