Orange stain second term results thread

[Brovane]

I'm 50 but funny enough I don't remember this thing you are so scared of.

Didn't live in Southern CA during the 1990's? This was before there was physical border walls in the built up areas of San Diego county in the 1990's. Illegal immigrants learned that if they got a large group of them together, like several hundred. They could rush the border and the border patrol agents could only stop and detain a handful because they would be overwhelmed. Later both the Bush and then Clinton Administrations started authorizing improved security fencing along the border.

 

[Brovane]

/facepalm

do you not see some the stuff i post..

Remember Rule#1 with Trump. How can you tell he is lying, his lips are moving.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You are claiming they don't work, so you must have some metric you have looked at to make that determination, right?

We wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration today if walls worked. we have had walls along the boarder for 3 decades.

It doesn't.


They came through incomplete sections that Biden Administration refused to fix.

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Are you old enough to remember the "Border Rushes" in the San Diego area in the 1990's?

Again, we have had boarder walls for 3 decades.. which includes during the 1990 "boarder rushes". they all have been breached in some form or another during that time. Trying to place Blame on Biden, or any president for the walls not working, or being comprimised, is comical at best.

 

[Brovane]

We wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration today if walls worked. we have had walls along the boarder for 3 decades.

Ah, the Perfect Solution Fallacy. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time, it doesn't work any of the time. 👍

 

[ivwshane]

Ah, the Perfect Solution Fallacy. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time, it doesn't work any of the time. 👍

Well then by all means show us any slow downs that have occurred because of the walls. Or is this more of your feels?

 

[Brovane]

Well then by all means show us any slow downs that have occurred because of the walls. Or is this more of your feels?

How would even know if a slow down was related to the border wall because of the number of variables?

 

[Brainonska511]

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3lwwvdy3hq22d

SCOTUS, Republicans, and the Trump Administration are cancer's new best friends, effectively splitting the lawsuit against the government for illegally freezing grants into two parts: a challenge to the directives under the Administrative Procedures Act and forcing plaintiffs to seek their monetary relief from the Federal Court of Claims, even though that court is a) not empowered to grant such statutory relief for these grants, and b) divorces the illegal action from the illegal outcome - creating a haphazard process that has the veneer of judicial review, but no ability to ever get real relief for when the government wrongs people.

As Justice Jackson said in her dissent, "This is Calvinball jurisprudence with a twist. Calvinball has only one rule: There are no fixed rules. We seem to have two: that one, and this Administration always wins."

 

[nakedfrog]

The fascism marches on.

Trump to sign order directing DOJ to criminally charge flag burning

Trump pledged to ban flag burning through constitutional amendment, if necessary, in 2024

www.independent.co.uk

 

[ivwshane]

How would even know if a slow down was related to the border wall because of the number of variables?

Oh man you are so close to getting it!!

 

[NWRMidnight]

Ah, the Perfect Solution Fallacy. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time, it doesn't work any of the time.

Who said that it doesn't work any of the time? Nobody. So where are you getting your basis for your fallacy, other than pulling it out of your ass?

The true fallacy is believing something works, or to be more specific, is a viable solution to a problem, when it fails to clearly show a positive change, costs outweigh the return, and negativaly effects other areas.

 

[Brovane]

Who said that it doesn't work any of the time? Nobody. So where are you getting your basis for your fallacy, other than pulling it out of your ass?

The true fallacy is believing something works, or to be more specific, is a viable solution to a problem, when it fails to clearly show a positive change, costs outweigh the return, and negativaly effects other areas.

You are the one that said that we wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration today if walls worked.

Securing the border with physical walls is just one part of a solution for illegal immigration. Along with reforms to the immigration system. Have we implemented reforms to the immigration system? No, so we still have a problem with illegal immigration because politicians would rather not solve the problem. Clear example of that is when Trump deliberately scuttled attempts last year to reform the system.

The question that I have, do you think the US should have no physical border wall/Fences/Barriers at all along the US border?

 

[ivwshane]

You are the one that said that we wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration today if walls worked.

Securing the border with physical walls is just one part of a solution for illegal immigration. Along with reforms to the immigration system. Have we implemented reforms to the immigration system? No, so we still have a problem with illegal immigration because politicians would rather not solve the problem. Clear example of that is when Trump deliberately scuttled attempts last year to reform the system.

The question that I have, do you think the US should have no physical border wall/Fences/Barriers at all along the US border?

Do we have one between us and Canada? You keep claiming a border wall is effective in some capacity but you have yet to quantify it. If you can’t quantify it then how do you know it’s effective?

 

[Brovane]

Do we have one between us and Canada? You keep claiming a border wall is effective in some capacity but you have yet to quantify it. If you can’t quantify it then how do you know it’s effective?

So you are thinking the US should have no physical physical border wall/Fences/Barriers on the border between the US and Mexico? Yes or No?

I could tell how to quantify if a border wall is effective at stopping unauthorized immigration. I have feeling you would not like the source of the data.

The Border Wall System is Deployed, Effective, and Disrupting Criminals and Smugglers

 

[ivwshane]

So you are thinking the US should have no physical physical border wall/Fences/Barriers on the border between the US and Mexico? Yes or No?

I could tell how to quantify if a border wall is effective at stopping unauthorized immigration. I have feeling you would not like the source of the data.

The Border Wall System is Deployed, Effective, and Disrupting Criminals and Smugglers

I’d believe the data if it wasn’t comparing 2019 to 20 fucking 20 when there was a pandemic! Or the fact that these claims were made when less than half the proposed length of wall had been constructed.

But you didn’t bother doing any critical thinking about it and instead decided to trust the Trump admin despite claiming earlier that you don’t trust Trump.

I appreciate the link though, at least you’ve got something you can refer to (of which I’m almost 100% positive you’ve never looked into before).

 

[Brovane]

I’d believe the data if it wasn’t comparing 2019 to 20 fucking 20 when there was a pandemic! Or the fact that these claims were made when less than half the proposed length of wall had been constructed.

But you didn’t bother doing any critical thinking about it and instead decided to trust the Trump admin despite claiming earlier that you don’t trust Trump.

I appreciate the link though, at least you’ve got something you can refer to (of which I’m almost 100% positive you’ve never looked into before).

They looked at the sectors that the border wall was constructed in. So much for your critical thinking skills.

So you are thinking the US should have no physical physical border wall/Fences/Barriers on the border between the US and Mexico? Yes or No?

 

[IronWing]

They looked at the sectors that the border wall was constructed in. So much for your critical thinking skills.

So you are thinking the US should have no physical physical border wall/Fences/Barriers on the border between the US and Mexico? Yes or No?

We got by just fine for 150+ years with nothing but a cattle fence so I'm going with "no". Remember: the only "border crisis" is a political hysteria fabricated by fascists and racists.

 

[ivwshane]

They looked at the sectors that the border wall was constructed in. So much for your critical thinking skills.

So you are thinking the US should have no physical physical border wall/Fences/Barriers on the border between the US and Mexico? Yes or No?

I like how you dodged the point I made about Covid. That’s ok though, I’m sure it’s normal for you to ignore uncomfortable truths. As for your question about a wall between Mexico and the US, I haven’t seen any data to persuade me one way or another. I do know that a wall only addresses symptoms and not the root cause of the issue (why people are fleeing their home country in the first place) nor does it address the largest reason for immigrants to be in this country illegally (that would be visa overstays). So in your black and white world I’m sure you think the answer is a simple yes or no, but it isn’t.

Building border walls and barriers: What the research says

Are border walls effective at deterring migrants? Do they harm wildlife? How are indigenous groups impacted? We explain the research.

journalistsresource.org

 

[igor_kavinski]

Bankruptcies in 2025 have reached their highest level for any seven-month period since 2010. S&P Global Market Intelligence found that 71 large companies filed for bankruptcy last month — the highest monthly total since July 2020.

Spoiler: Triumphant trump

 

[you2]

Spoiler: Triumphant trump

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It would be interesting to find information on how many of these are small companies run by republicans or in republican states.

 

[JD50]

Aren't Trump and Republicans currently bragging about ending the border crisis immediately after Trump took office, yet we still have no border wall?

 

[brycejones]

Aren't Trump and Republicans currently bragging about ending the border crisis immediately after Trump took office, yet we still have no border wall?

shh....

Don't ruin the narrative.

 

[JD50]

They looked at the sectors that the border wall was constructed in. So much for your critical thinking skills.

So you are thinking the US should have no physical physical border wall/Fences/Barriers on the border between the US and Mexico? Yes or No?

Has anyone actually argued that we don't need any form of barrier anywhere across the border? The pushback is mostly to a border wall stretching the entire southern border, over thousands of miles of empty desert. Sure some sort of wall, barrier, or fence makes sense in cities and heavily trafficked areas, which I believe we mostly already have and no one had a problem with. There's a reason all of the pictures that conservatives post to support the "border crisis" and "open borders" are migrants stacked up at checkpoints and legal crossings. I mean those stupid fucking caravans conservatives always cried about would pass miles and miles of open border to go to legal checkpoints.

If we had real immigration reform and an easier path to citizenship, seasonal work permits, etc... we wouldn't even need the walls and barriers we do have.

 

[Brainonska511]

Has anyone actually argued that we don't need any form of barrier anywhere across the border? The pushback is mostly to a border wall stretching the entire southern border, over thousands of miles of empty desert. Sure some sort of wall, barrier, or fence makes sense in cities and heavily trafficked areas, which I believe we mostly already have and no one had a problem with. There's a reason all of the pictures that conservatives post to support the "border crisis" and "open borders" are migrants stacked up at checkpoints and legal crossings. I mean those stupid fucking caravans conservatives always cried about would pass miles and miles of open border to go to legal checkpoints.

There are probably a literal handful of people that have argued for absolutely no wall. It's effectively a straw man argument. I don't think anyone has an issue with a fencing of some kind where you also have border checkpoints and whatnot on both sides of the border.

A border wall stretching through uninhabited desert is a huge waste of money and resources and is horribly damaging to migratory species and the environment (like when they rip up saguoro that are 100+ years old [they only tend to get their first "arm" around 75-100 years of age]). It's also especially stupid when most people are coming through legal crossings.

It wouldn't be such an issue if we didn't have a horribly broken-by-Republicans immigration system that requires people fill out huge amounts of paperwork and wait years for resolutions. We should be making it easier for people to immigrate here - both those that want to stay after being educated here, and those that simply want to make a better life for themselves. I welcome people that have the want to enrich my country culturally and economically, and I also think it's a moral imperative that we try and help those fleeing economic, social, and political persecution.

 

[KMFJD]

FBI searches home of John Bolton - live updates

Photos show police vehicles and personnel in the area near Bolton's home in the Washington DC suburb of Bethesda, Maryland.

www.bbc.com

i thought he died from a prolonged erection when the US bombed Iran earlier this year....

 

[ivwshane]

It would be interesting to find information on how many of these are small companies run by republicans or in republican states.

Why? So we’d have an idea when the next PPP type of “loans” will be doled out and paid for by the average tax payer while grifters continuing grifting?