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God, what a love-in

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Love in a cold climate: Putin romances Trump in Alaska with talk of rigged elections and a trip to Moscow

For those who feared the summit on Ukraine might resemble Chamberlain’s appeasement of Hitler in 1938, the reality was worse
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Curiously, given that the US was hosting, Putin was allowed to speak first, which gave him the opportunity to frame the narrative. More curiously still, the deferential Trump spoke for less time than his counterpart, though he did slip in a compliment: “I’ve always had a fantastic relationship with President Putin – with Vladimir.”
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The president revealed: “Vladimir Putin said something – one of the most interesting things. He said: ‘Your election was rigged because you have mail-in voting … No country has mail-in voting. It’s impossible to have mail-in voting and have honest elections.’

“And he said that to me because we talked about 2020. He said: ‘You won that election by so much and that’s how we got here.’ He said: ‘And if you would have won, we wouldn’t have had a war. You’d have all these millions of people alive now instead of dead. And he said: ‘You lost it because of mail-in voting. It was a rigged election.’”
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Ugh. It's laughably-easy to tell him what he wants to hear. Whatever Psyops department it is that advises Putin on such matters must, at some level, be feeling slightly-frustrated at the lack of challenge. Bet they are thinking "I spent years in graduate level spy school to manipulate someone with the developmental level of a toddler?"
 
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pmv said:
God, what a love-in

www.theguardian.com

Love in a cold climate: Putin romances Trump in Alaska with talk of rigged elections and a trip to Moscow

For those who feared the summit on Ukraine might resemble Chamberlain’s appeasement of Hitler in 1938, the reality was worse
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com





Ugh. It's laughably-easy to tell him what he wants to hear. Whatever Psyops department it is that advises Putin on such matters must, at some level, be feeling slightly-frustrated at the lack of challenge. Bet they are thinking "I spent years in graduate level spy school to manipulate someone with the developmental level of a toddler?"
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Putin doesn't need any help from.a psyops dept, he can easily handle trump himself.
 
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RalphTheCow said:
I wonder how Musk is doing trying to make his not say that he basically a POS. :)
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The girls took down Musk handily and with much thoroughness before the election:

That shitty guy, Elon Musk on Youtube

Um, looks like Youtube yanked all the "That Shitty Guy" videos, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's just a giant BLACK HOLE for them, a serious loss! They took down a lot of crap people.
 
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Lifer
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That's rich. Any AI that lies isn't worth a shit. :p I mean, AI is about fact checking, right? Lying is anathema to the m.o.
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They all lie. It's in the nature of the thing. They just regurgitate everything they've been fed with, including lies. They even invent new lies by means of mangling together different sources.

HAL was clearly derived from current AI.

"I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you."
 
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Vlad got a ride in diaper Don's limo. That conversation probably sounded exactly like the one Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman had when Charlie Babbitt was driving his dad's car.
 
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Lifer
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pmv said:
They all lie. It's in the nature of the thing. They just regurgitate everything they've been fed with, including lies. They even invent new lies by means of mangling together different sources.

HAL was clearly derived from current AI.

"I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you."
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Not my favorite Kubrick film. It bores me. Favorite by far is Dr. Strangelove.

Bullshit detection is obligatory feature of any AI worth a shit. That goes for people too.
 
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Muse said:
Not my favorite Kubrick film. It bores me. Favorite by far is Dr. Strangelove.

Bullshit detection is obligatory feature of any AI worth a shit. That goes for people too.
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Philistine!

(Though, admittedly, the _first_ time I saw 2001, in an actual cinema, with no idea what to expect - it had just been re-released, on the back of the popularity of Star Wars - I found it amazing...but the _second_ time I saw it, decades later, on TV, I did, I admit, find it boring. So, um, I dunno, really.)

Anyway, depends what you mean by "AI". The current tech that goes by that name (i.e. those large language models) clearly has next-to-nil capacity for "bullshit detection". You could, of course, just say that therefore it's not really A.I.
 
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Anyway, depends what you mean by "AI". The current tech that goes by that name (i.e. those large language models) clearly has next-to-nil capacity for "bullshit detection". You could, of course, just say that therefore it's not really A.I.
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I think the problem is that they are designed or trained to be "too polite". If it is asked a stupid question or forced to agree with the user's prompt, it should straight out firmly say, "You are very mistaken. That is not how things are supposed to be". Instead, the stupid LLM says sorry a lot or "I understand that you are frustrated" and crap like that. Stop treating the user as a master. Treat the user as an ignorant piece of crap and respond sarcastically and rudely, much like a teacher will if you push him to give the answer you are looking for and that agrees with your bias rather than what is objectively true.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
I think the problem is that they are designed or trained to be "too polite". If it is asked a stupid question or forced to agree with the user's prompt, it should straight out firmly say, "You are very mistaken. That is not how things are supposed to be". Instead, the stupid LLM says sorry a lot or "I understand that you are frustrated" and crap like that. Stop treating the user as a master. Treat the user as an ignorant piece of crap and respond sarcastically and rudely, much like a teacher will if you push him to give the answer you are looking for and that agrees with your bias rather than what is objectively true.
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I know it's straying from the thread topic, but my browser just suggested this article, which seems very relevant for this issue.



[Edit] - had a letter "s" missing from the end of the link address!
 
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igor_kavinski said:
The link isn't working but I found this: https://www.businessinsider.com/cha...ined-examples-by-psychiatrist-patients-2025-8



That is the real problem.
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Thanks, corrected the original link.

I guess with anyone prone to going that way, AI's tendency to tell them what they want to hear just makes it worse? Which is pretty close to the thread topic after all, as something similar probably applies to Trump supporters and their preferred media sources, even without AI.
 
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pmv said:
Philistine!

(Though, admittedly, the _first_ time I saw 2001, in an actual cinema, with no idea what to expect - it had just been re-released, on the back of the popularity of Star Wars - I found it amazing...but the _second_ time I saw it, decades later, on TV, I did, I admit, find it boring. So, um, I dunno, really.)

Anyway, depends what you mean by "AI". The current tech that goes by that name (i.e. those large language models) clearly has next-to-nil capacity for "bullshit detection". You could, of course, just say that therefore it's not really A.I.
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Ho ho ho, I read the A.C. Clarke novel before seeing the movie, you moron.
 
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Muse said:
Ho ho ho, I read the A.C. Clarke novel before seeing the movie, you moron.
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It wasn't a novel, it was a short story, no? Moron right back at you.

(Though, come to think of it, he subsequently wrote a novelisation of the movie, I think? Was really into SF as a child, but not so much later in life)
 
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