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Lifer
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Where would you deport him to?

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The land of the ‘free’: Criminal transportation to America - The History Press

Between 1718 and 1775, transportation saw over 52,000 convicts transported from the British Isles to America
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Sarah Wilson was among those who were transported to America. She may also have been one of those who fell into the hands of the soul-drivers.

Sarah was an impostor and a fraudster. Beginning in her late teens Sarah wandered alone all over England, living on her wits, inventing new identities for herself, often as an aristocrat’s daughter with great powers of patronage, embroidering her story to suit different audiences in order to fool people into providing her with food and shelter, money and expensive clothes. A Coventry J.P. who interviewed Sarah in 1766 described her as ‘The greatest Impostress of the present Age’.
After four or five years on the road one of her crimes caught up with her. In 1768 Sarah was sentenced to be transported. In America she escaped from her master and began a new set of adventures. In Virginia and the Carolinas she was passed from one plantation house to another as an honoured guest in the guise of Queen Charlotte’s sister. Sarah later moved north while still acting the part of a princess. She was in Boston when the Tea Party took place.
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I don't think it's a fair swap that we sent you Sarah Wilson and you send us Donald Trump. Sarah sounds a lot more fun.
 
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All of this should go down smoothly and with little loss of good people’s lives as most Democrats do not own guns.

In the rational world they imagined they live in, guns just put you at higher risk. You might accidentally shoot yourself. I always focused more on that than the fear of watching my loved ones being hauled away. Looks to me like it wasn’t just red necks that fucked themselves voting for a life without medical care. The Democrats found their own way to fuck everybody as door mats.
 
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Paramount to pay Trump 16M bribe to ok Skydance merger. Faces likely shareholder lawsuit over the payoff.

https://archive.ph/ZrKSW

Paramount said late Tuesday that it has agreed to pay President Trump $16 million to settle his lawsuit over the editing of an interview on the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” an extraordinary concession to a sitting president by a major media organization.
Paramount said its payment includes Mr. Trump’s legal fees and costs and that the money, minus the legal fees, will be paid to Mr. Trump’s future presidential library.
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Brainonska511

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brycejones said:
We need a domestic corrupt practices act.

But Trumpy's DOJ has already said they won't enforce the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
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More laws won't help when SCOTUS has decided the president is largely above the law and it's only bribery if people are like a fucking cartoon being "this is a bribe for you to do X".
K1052 said:
We need a new Supreme Court first.
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Yes.

Pens1566 said:
Agree. But that would require sizable congressional majorities.
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Just enough to override the wishy-washy ones in the caucus.
 
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Lower immigration starts to shave future GDP. The mass deportation scheme, if fully implemented, will probably generate a recession about 1.5x the 2008 GFC by most estimates.

https://archive.is/ReA3a


By the numbers: Net immigration started to fall last summer after the Biden administration took a harder line. This year, Trump's crackdown has been far more aggressive.
  • Net immigration — inflows of people minus outflows — is running at an annualized rate of 600,000, down about a third from where it was in the last three months of 2024, per the analysis by Oxford Economics, which looks at several sources of public data.
  • The decline is almost entirely due to a sharp drop in unauthorized immigration. Border crossings are stalled, and deportations are up.
What to watch: Yaros estimates in the long run, GDP will be 0.25% lower as a result.
  • That's a relatively modest macroeconomic effect, but there's a wild card. The "big, beautiful bill" that passed the Senate contains about $175 billion for even more immigration enforcement.
  • That could mean an even bigger decline going forward.
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K1052 said:
No. Simple majority. Toss out the filibuster.
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You'll always need more than that though because of the weaklings like Sinema/Manchin/Fetterman. Even though the first two are gone, you'll always have several around the edges that you'll need to account for.

And that probably needs even more for removing the filibuster.
 
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Pens1566 said:
You'll always need more than that though because of the weaklings like Sinema/Manchin/Fetterman. Even though the first two are gone, you'll always have several around the edges that you'll need to account for.

And that probably needs even more for removing the filibuster.
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After another three years of this escalating bullshit the mods who were opposed in 2021 (those that remain) are going to be vulnerable to pressures that could compel them. The court has made itself such a huge unavoidable problem that's much likely to get worse in the meantime.
 
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K1052 said:
After another three years of this escalating bullshit the mods who were opposed in 2021 (those that remain) are going to be vulnerable to pressures that could compel them. The court has made itself such a huge unavoidable problem that's much likely to get worse in the meantime.
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Maybe. But the court is really only a big issue to wonks, and not the gen pop. You didn't even really get a bounce from the overturning of Roe in the '24 elections. It's gonna be even harder to make that leap on less publicized decisions, as I can't fathom anything being a "bigger" decision than that. Other than SCOTUS declaring a Trump 3rd term as legal. But if that happens ... eh, none of it matters.

All said, those moderates are less worried about being voted out on court issues than about 10 other things that their constituents can actually understand/see.
 
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Pens1566 said:
Maybe. But the court is really only a big issue to wonks, and not the gen pop. You didn't even really get a bounce from the overturning of Roe in the '24 elections. It's gonna be even harder to make that leap on less publicized decisions, as I can't fathom anything being a "bigger" decision than that. Other than SCOTUS declaring a Trump 3rd term as legal. But if that happens ... eh, none of it matters.

All said, those moderates are less worried about being voted out on court issues than about 10 other things that their constituents can actually understand/see.
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Because the voters aren't really paying attention to the court is a reason to do it. If I pulled a dozen rando voters off the street could they tell me how many justices there are on the court? I doubt it. Just ram it through quickly with no debate. It might get hairy if Roberts tries some bullshit to stop it but in that case, were I the president, I would give him a live feed of the armed MQ-9 orbiting his house.
 
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K1052 said:
Because the voters aren't really paying attention to the court is a reason to do it. If I pulled a dozen rando voters off the street could they tell me how many justices there are on the court? I doubt it. Just ram it through quickly with no debate. It might get hairy if Roberts tries some bullshit to stop it but in that case, were I the president, I would give him a live feed of the armed MQ-9 orbiting his house.
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Yes, sometimes you do have to stop trying to run every policy issue by the median voter. We live in a Republic where we elect representatives to be a bit more expert on issues and government working than the median voter and work to enact policies that should benefit the constituents and the country.
 
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VRAMdemon said:
Holy Fuck! ... that presser and visit to DeSantis prison camps was BONKERS! let's see ...

Trump talks about arresting Mayorkas and Mamdani
Trump trashes "son of a bitch" Biden for wanting him "locked up"
Wants to use National Guard soldiers as immigration judges.
He’s open to importing crocodiles from other countries and placing them into the Rio Grande
Noem told some story about a detained illegal migrant who was allegedly a cannibal who tried eating himself after his arrest.

WTF! Welcome to Jackass, this is the "Let's All Wear Trucker Hats" Government Challenge. I'm surprised JD Vance wasn't there wearing a giant alligator costume.

I cannot believe that Noem told that cannibal story in front of a crowd with a straight face. Although all that Botox helps to keep it straight

When deportation isn't good enough, and you're giddy about the thought of humans being eaten by alligators, the problem really isn't with immigration. It’s hard to believe these fucking nut cases are in power. What's next? ...a moat filled with sharks with laser beams on their heads. We are now living in the stupidest of times. Donald Trump and the Neanderthal Era.

I wonder how our Founding Fathers thought about shoving people into prison camps because they weren't born here?

Oh ... And Biden was RIGHT! Trump is a convicted felon and should be locked up!
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As a GenX I know how to deal with crocs and swamps, rolling logs and snakes.
 
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