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[DHT]Osiris

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I thought most of those were prosecuted by state court... at least i hope that was the case. Hum seems 6 in federal and 7 in state.
I'm waiting for the first Trump pardon of a state crime that subsequently gets upheld by the SC.
 

RalphTheCow

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Just read a very good “man bites dog” story in WaPo from George F. Will titled:

Opinion
The Trump administration is pure progressivism in action

Here are the nine core components of progressivism. Trump nails every one, like presidents before.

I won’t link since Apple News must use special selective paywall bypasses or something. Not sure if googling it will get past the paywall.

But anyhoo, George makes the excellent point that Trump is no conservative, so the Rs are just an echo of the Ds, George says using statism to achieve their goals. I don’t agree with that, but I do agree that both increase the deficit.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Just read a very good “man bites dog” story in WaPo from George F. Will titled:

Opinion
The Trump administration is pure progressivism in action

Here are the nine core components of progressivism. Trump nails every one, like presidents before.

I won’t link since Apple News must use special selective paywall bypasses or something. Not sure if googling it will get past the paywall.

But anyhoo, George makes the excellent point that Trump is no conservative, so the Rs are just an echo of the Ds, George says using statism to achieve their goals. I don’t agree with that, but I do agree that both increase the deficit.
I guess if you just make up your own definition for "progressivism" as Will has done here, sure, why not?
1. Combating the citizenry’s false consciousness by permeating society, including cultural institutions, with government, which is politics.
2. Confidence in government’s ability to anticipate and control the consequences of broad interventions in modern society’s complexities.
3. Using industrial policy to pick economic winners and losers because the future is transparent, so government can know which enterprises should prosper.
4. Central planning of the evolution of the nation’s regions and the economy’s sectors, especially manufacturing.
5. Melding governing and party-building by constructing coalitions of government-dependent factions, as Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal did with the elderly (Social Security, 1935), labor (the 1935 National Labor Relations Act favoring unions) and farmers (the 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act).
6. Rejecting conservative growth-oriented tax simplification — lowering rates by eliminating preferences — to use taxes (including tariffs) as tools of social engineering. Bypassing the appropriations process, the tax code can transfer wealth to favored constituencies.
7. Limitless borrowing from future Americans to fund today’s Americans’ consumption of government goods and services.
8. Presidential supremacy ensured by using executive orders to marginalize Congress.
9. Unfettered majoritarianism, hence opposition to the Senate filibuster.
 

fskimospy

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I guess if you just make up your own definition for "progressivism" as Will has done here, sure, why not?
While George Will is somewhat more honest than most conservative commentators this is just nonsense and is predictable. 'Conservatives' have been doing similar things to his list for his entire career, most of which he spent supporting them.

It's a common refrain that when conservatives do bad things they find ways to convince themselves it was secretly liberal or something.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Just read a very good “man bites dog” story in WaPo from George F. Will titled:

Opinion
The Trump administration is pure progressivism in action

Here are the nine core components of progressivism. Trump nails every one, like presidents before.

I won’t link since Apple News must use special selective paywall bypasses or something. Not sure if googling it will get past the paywall.

But anyhoo, George makes the excellent point that Trump is no conservative, so the Rs are just an echo of the Ds, George says using statism to achieve their goals. I don’t agree with that, but I do agree that both increase the deficit.
LMAO

Will is correct, Trump is no conservative. He doesn't care about ideologies in general except for what benefits him.

Will is also full of shit. Trump is no progressive either. See above for the only thing Trump truly believes in. (Except maybe being a racist POS, because that is only other common theme in Trump's life)

Also George Will has exactly fuck all for influence anymore among conservatives so this piece is worthless.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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While George Will is somewhat more honest than most conservative commentators this is just nonsense and is predictable. 'Conservatives' have been doing similar things to his list for his entire career, most of which he spent supporting them.

It's a common refrain that when conservatives do bad things they find ways to convince themselves it was secretly liberal or something.
He must have felt unnoticed and had to reclaim his relevance.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Criminals rejoice, the laws and ethics of America no longer apply. So says the so called American Government.
Totally not related to Trump directly and publicly taking $1million bribes for pardons, among his smorgasbord of crimes.

Pam Bondi Locks Bar Association Out Of Vetting Trump’s Judicial Nominees

America's main legal organization “no longer functions as a fair arbiter of nominees’ qualifications,” said Trump's attorney general.
 

pmv

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I don't think anyone is really a "conservative" as the whole "philosophy" is self-contradictory and incoherent. That's why self-identified "conservatives" tend to go mad and embrace all kinds of crackpottery (like the Qanon stuff).

There might have been a time, centuries ago, when "conservatism" had some genuine meaning (perhaps when it represented the old land-owning/farming classes in opposition to the industrialist class), but it's long-since been rendered nonsensical by changes in social structures and the economy.

What is it "conservatives" are actually trying to conserve at this point?
 
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fskimospy

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Criminals rejoice, the laws and ethics of America no longer apply. So says the so called American Government.
Totally not related to Trump directly and publicly taking $1million bribes for pardons, among his smorgasbord of crimes.

Pam Bondi Locks Bar Association Out Of Vetting Trump’s Judicial Nominees

America's main legal organization “no longer functions as a fair arbiter of nominees’ qualifications,” said Trump's attorney general.
The ABA never really mattered as Republicans would confirm judges deemed unqualified anyway.
 
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Add another one to the "no one cares about security" pile. People should be demanding proof that they are receiving legitimate orders and direction.
 

fskimospy

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Add another one to the "no one cares about security" pile. People should be demanding proof that they are receiving legitimate orders and direction.
I'm not sure about that. All major US media outlets reported on the security concerns related to a private email server ad nauseum for months. I suspect they have tons of stories queued up about all the massive security lapses from 2017-2021 and this year they just can't find the space to devote to it.
 

Indus

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Well they are all criminals so they won't use government secure phones which keep logs of what they do. They want to go commando.

Well her phone got cooties.. anyone surprised??
 
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ivwshane

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I don't think anyone is really a "conservative" as the whole "philosophy" is self-contradictory and incoherent. That's why self-identified "conservatives" tend to go mad and embrace all kinds of crackpottery (like the Qanon stuff).

There might have been a time, centuries ago, when "conservatism" had some genuine meaning (perhaps when it represented the old land-owning/farming classes in opposition to the industrialist class), but it's long-since been rendered nonsensical by changes in social structures and the economy.

What is it "conservatives" are actually trying to conserve at this point?

White power?
 

K1052

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See, when people say they are afraid of Vance because he's like Trump but smarter things like this make me question that.

This isn't some big secret, this is just a very stupid person cosplaying as someone who is smart.

Do I think he knows this is bullshit? Probably. Though he's cooked his brain so much with right wing online bile that it sorta doesn't matter because he agrees philosophically with it. He also is unable to modulate his output depending on who he is in front of like her regularly steps in it with foreign audiences who are not corresponding with Adolf884eva on Twitter or whoever.
 
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I'm not sure about that. All major US media outlets reported on the security concerns related to a private email server ad nauseum for months. I suspect they have tons of stories queued up about all the massive security lapses from 2017-2021 and this year they just can't find the space to devote to it.
Sorry, those stories are all stuck behind the "Biden was old" and "Dems in Disarray" stories that need to go out first.