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Orange stain second term results thread

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HomerJS said:
Trump fires 17 IGs wne the law requires 30 days notice and all Lindsay Graham can come up with he only "technically violated the law"? Of that's right white Trumpers don't have to follow no stinkin' laws.

www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump just "technically" violated the law—Lindsey Graham

The GOP senator said Trump "technically" broke the law by firing several inspectors general, but "has the authority to do it."
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So what? Didn't the courts ruled that as president he "can't" break any laws, commit any crimes, be charged for any wrong doings?
The Empire Has No Laws.
 
RalphTheCow said:
He didn’t get a mandate. He won by the narrowest popular vote ever. He did manage to flip a lot of stupid people.
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Given that his margin in the popular vote was less than that Hilary got when she _lost_ in 2016, if he got a 'mandate', presumably Hilary got an even larger one?
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Neither is ignoring court order. Why is Trump the only one who gets to ignore the law?
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Because he believes no one will punish him. At this point the only one who can punish him would be congress and the chances of them impeaching him is like 0. Hell they won't even reject is obviously corrupt unqualified cabinet members.
 
If the executive won't obey the courts and just does whatever he wants the compact between the government and its people is basically void. The ramifications of this will eventually become apparent and not in ways that people are going to like. The right assumes they will reap all the benefits here without any cost. I suspect that is a severe miscalculation.
 
K1052 said:
If the executive won't obey the courts and just does whatever he wants the compact between the government and its people is basically void. The ramifications of this will eventually become apparent and not in ways that people are going to like. The right assumes they will reap all the benefits here without any cost. I suspect that is a severe miscalculation.
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I suspect we're already there, and it's just not been widely acknowledged yet.
 
K1052 said:
If the executive won't obey the courts and just does whatever he wants the compact between the government and its people is basically void. The ramifications of this will eventually become apparent and not in ways that people are going to like. The right assumes they will reap all the benefits here without any cost. I suspect that is a severe miscalculation.
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I doubt they have miscalculated anything thus far. Look how far they've gotten in a mere two weeks.

The problem is that the executive also controls the military and likely has majority support of law enforcement all the way down to the local level. Is it 100%? Of course not, but a majority. More than enough to put down any unrest.

And something like th Insurrection Act is a legal, lawful order that the military would have to obey.
 
gothuevos said:
I doubt they have miscalculated anything thus far. Look how far they've gotten in a mere two weeks.
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Once they take down or break something people actually care about shit gets real. They have some early 20-something recoding the Treasury's COBOL based payment system. The risks they are running all over the place basically assures something eventually big blows up very publicly and people get super pissed.

gothuevos said:
The problem is that the executive also controls the military and likely has majority support of law enforcement all the way down to the local level. Is it 100%? Of course not, but a majority. More than enough to put down any unrest.
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There is not sufficient US military manpower to basically put the whole country under martial law. It's also not a foregone conclusion that everybody is going to obey those orders either. And again the country has almost more guns than people floating around it.


gothuevos said:
And something like th Insurrection Act is a legal, lawful order that the military would have to obey.
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If the president starts telling the military to shoot Americans he doesn't like in the near future a lot of them are probably not just going to do that no questions asked. State governments could also move to seize military installations in their own states which would considerably complicate things.
 
gothuevos said:
I doubt they have miscalculated anything thus far. Look how far they've gotten in a mere two weeks.

The problem is that the executive also controls the military and likely has majority support of law enforcement all the way down to the local level. Is it 100%? Of course not, but a majority. More than enough to put down any unrest.

And something like th Insurrection Act is a legal, lawful order that the military would have to obey.
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We'll find out the level of public support when ICE starts rounding up US citizens to send to El Salvador.
 
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