Oprah: "there are generations that...just have to die"

rudeguy

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http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die/

“There are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it — in that prejudice and racism — and they just have to die!”

A few other gems are her blaming people criticizing Obama not because off all of his lies and failures...nope...they are doing it because he is black. WHAT?

This is the definition of racism. She is being racist, saying generation of people have to die and being flat out ignorant. But its ok because...because why? If Bill O'Reilly said anything close to that he would already have been fired and probably brought up on federal hate crime charges. But its ok for her?
 

IronWing

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She isn't calling on these folks to be exterminated, just that we have to wait them out and she is right. There are many social issues, attitudes, and debates that will only be resolved when the generations wrapped up in them die off. For example, a rational historic look back at the Vietnam War and anti-war movement is probably impossible while the baby boomers still walk the earth. Does this mean we should off the boomers? Of course not. We just have to wait them out. Likewise, there are folks out there still very bitter about the civil rights movement and we have to wait them out as well.
 

Texashiker

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http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die/

A few other gems are her blaming people criticizing Obama not because off all of his lies and failures...nope...they are doing it because he is black. WHAT?

According to some of the people here obama has done nothing wrong. Everything he has done has been perfect.

To say otherwise, you are either wrong, or you are racist. The fact is obama is a failure of a president.

There are going to be people out there that try to place the blame on anything besides their own shortcomings.

From the linked article,

Racism Will End When All the Old White People Die

Racism will end when all races take responsibility for their actions.

Not just blacks, not just whites, not just asians. When each race takes the moral high ground to improve society as a whole, then and only then will racism end.
 
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EagleKeeper

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This is the definition of racism. She is being racist, saying generation of people have to die and being flat out ignorant. But its ok because...because why? If Bill O'Reilly said anything close to that he would already have been fired and probably brought up on federal hate crime charges. But its ok for her?

Two simple reasons

1) Celebrity
2) Color

And she supports Obama


However, she is correct;
For the white side of the house; until those that were raised that blacks were inferior have vanished; that type of racism will still be around.

The other problem that she does ignore; is that as long as people (White, black, purple) use racism as an excuse/example; those that such statements are targeted to, will perpetuate it for their benefit. Look at the "civil rights" leaders of today vs yesterday.

So while the white on black racism dies out; the black on white racism will still grow.
 

rudeguy

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She isn't calling on these folks to be exterminated, just that we have to wait them out and she is right. There are many social issues, attitudes, and debates that will only be resolved when the generations wrapped up in them die off. For example, a rational historic look back at the Vietnam War and anti-war movement is probably impossible while the baby boomers still walk the earth. Does this mean we should off the boomers? Of course not. We just have to wait them out. Likewise, there are folks out there still very bitter about the civil rights movement and we have to wait them out as well.

so since she is being racist, its ok if I say she has to die?
 

Texashiker

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However, she is correct;
For the white side of the house; until those that were raised that blacks were inferior have vanished; that type of racism will still be around.

It is not just how people were raised, there are the facts.

Blacks make up a higher percentage of the prison population than whites and all other races.

Changing those statics will help end racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Race

In 2010 black non-Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 4,347 inmates per 100,000.

White males were incarcerated at the rate of 678 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents.
 
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The real problem is the new generation of racists. The "race brigaiders"...

The people who want diversity in the name of equality.
 
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K1052

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Maybe people that still hold on to archaic social views don't like the reality of that pointed out to them so bluntly (yet accurately). Lots issues fail to resolve until there is some generational turnover.
 

HumblePie

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It is not just how people were raised, there are the facts.

Blacks make up a higher percentage of the prison population than whites and all other races.

Changing those statics will help end racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Race

In 2010 black non-Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 4,347 inmates per 100,000.

White males were incarcerated at the rate of 678 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents.

The argument is that is because blacks are more or less targeted for arrest more often than white which is why there is a higher percentage of blacks in prison than whites.

There is a good basis for part of that. When it comes to drug use, the usage of drugs has statistically been equal percentages of use by whites and blacks. Meaning about the same percentage of the population for either whites or blacks use drugs according to most law enforcement studies and many 3rd party studies. The difference is there are far more drug users that go to prison that are black than there are white. Even those that face a trial, more often the white drug user comes out with only a fine or community service and the black person gets jail time.

Part of this goes back to the ability to afford good legal representation. More often white people in court have better legal representation due to them being able to afford it.

Which is really the greater disparity as I see if for the imbalance in the justice system due to race. That being poverty and the ability to get adequate legal representation.

Now if one wants to further study and expand upon why black people tend to be more likely to be poor versus white people, one can look at school records. In a mostly merit based society, those with better education and skills to offer tend to get better jobs. Better jobs means better pay. Those with jobs are less likely to commit crimes, and if they are committing a crime, they are likely to pay for better legal representation to get them lesser sentences for their crimes.

So people will argue that education is a problem. It pretty much is, but it's a complex problem. One is that blacks are more likely to get inferior education, due to many living in poor black communities in highly urban areas. The other flip side is many black children do not strive, for various reasons, to want to have a good education. Which ends up as a vicious cycle in a way.

Anyhow, the problem is not one of race really, but of bad socio-economic issues due to several "vicious cycle" factors involved. People tend to commit crimes because they are poor. They are poor because they have little opportunities for good jobs that pay well. They have little opportunity because they have poor education. They have poor education in part because they start poor, and there is a perceived notion that education is not "cool" to do when young. It's a rebellious response of the Aesop sour grapes fable. Scorn that which you don't think you can have fully for whatever reason. Which makes those trying to help less likely to help due to the scorn.

To blame the whole thing on race though IS racism. I assure you that the problems facing the black minorities in this country are not based upon their race. It's a complex problem that has many factors that feed off each other making smaller problems into bigger problems.
 

PokerGuy

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She is simple racist scum, one of the dear leaders biggest followers. The only reason she can get away with such blatant racist statements is because of the media liberal bent (which of course according to some idiots doesn't exist). If it had been anyone on the other side of the political spectrum who had made similar statements the left wing media would have crucified them.
 

desy

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It takes 3 generations to effect cultural change IE about 60 yrs, 20 yrs per gen roughly
people who are 80 think diff than 60 then 40 than 20 do
 

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We have 4 billion years of evolution that says it won't die out any time soon. It's just changing it's tune, and has gone underground. But it's still very much alive and thriving across all races.
 

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Racism is a subset of self hate. It is one of the things that can cause it. Self hate is caused by putting children down with violence and words to mold them into a conformist state. It is the identification of the ego in childhood with the absurd glory of whatever that conformity consists of, the delusional belief that ones self worth comes from it rather than one real potential, that is the source of all human bigotry. It is the source of all isms and clubs and groups and divisions that creates interpersonal competition. The sub branch of bigotry of racism will exist so long as we feel an identity with one. There is only the human race and we are all the same.

So there is a way to end racism and its really quite simple. Racism ends when you love yourself. It ends for you. But who will love himself or herself unless he or she knows the depth to which self hate runs? You will know you know nothing of this if you look for the solution out there. If you do not love yourself and will not see you self hate you will create and put that hate on the other. In this way you will indulge your feelings of worthlessness by living in a state of perpetual offense, being constantly slighted by the racism of others because you will not see it's what you feel you deserve.
 

Jaskalas

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Her words are very poorly chosen, even if they are somewhat true. I say somewhat because it really IS true - but it's also not enough. Racism isn't harbored by the older generations alone. We've still got people of all races fueling it today, and they shall be around long after she has gone.

What's really necessary is for us to drop leaders of specific colors. To drop movements of specific colors. For us to truly become color blind. We aren't even close to achieving that, sadly.
 

HumblePie

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Racism is a subset of self hate. It is one of the things that can cause it. Self hate is caused by putting children down with violence and words to mold them into a conformist state. It is the identification of the ego in childhood with the absurd glory of whatever that conformity consists of, the delusional belief that ones self worth comes from it rather than one real potential, that is the source of all human bigotry. It is the source of all isms and clubs and groups and divisions that creates interpersonal competition. The sub branch of bigotry of racism will exist so long as we feel an identity with one. There is only the human race and we are all the same.

So there is a way to end racism and its really quite simple. Racism ends when you love yourself. It ends for you. But who will love himself or herself unless he or she knows the depth to which self hate runs? You will know you know nothing of this if you look for the solution out there. If you do not love yourself and will not see you self hate you will create and put that hate on the other. In this way you will indulge your feelings of worthlessness by living in a state of perpetual offense, being constantly slighted by the racism of others because you will not see it's what you feel you deserve.

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HomerJS

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It is not just how people were raised, there are the facts.

Blacks make up a higher percentage of the prison population than whites and all other races.

Changing those statics will help end racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Race

In 2010 black non-Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 4,347 inmates per 100,000.

White males were incarcerated at the rate of 678 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents.

So that means what??
 

HomerJS

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She isn't calling on these folks to be exterminated, just that we have to wait them out and she is right. There are many social issues, attitudes, and debates that will only be resolved when the generations wrapped up in them die off. For example, a rational historic look back at the Vietnam War and anti-war movement is probably impossible while the baby boomers still walk the earth. Does this mean we should off the boomers? Of course not. We just have to wait them out. Likewise, there are folks out there still very bitter about the civil rights movement and we have to wait them out as well.

Forgive him. Reading comprehension is learned skill not something you are born with.
 

HumblePie

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So that means what??

It was a badly alluded to reference on his part that the color of your skin shows a propensity to being someone more willing to commit a crime. With high level data from a certain view that conclusion can be drawn. It would be the wrong conclusion though as the data is being viewed from the wrong angle and a badly malformed solution to the data is being assigned without verification to the solution.
 

werepossum

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Her words are very poorly chosen, even if they are somewhat true. I say somewhat because it really IS true - but it's also not enough. Racism isn't harbored by the older generations alone. We've still got people of all races fueling it today, and they shall be around long after she has gone.

What's really necessary is for us to drop leaders of specific colors. To drop movements of specific colors. For us to truly become color blind. We aren't even close to achieving that, sadly.
It's amazing that Oprah can be so amazingly successful and still see so much racism. Her own "crash moment" was when a store that was closed and doing inventory refused to open up and allow her and her entourage to shop at their leisure. Like they routinely do for whites, of course. At this point she's so disconnected from Americans she's become a joke.