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opinions on the 4870 x2
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apoppin
Lifer
i see you posted another link to when X2 did not scale in Crysis
- old drivers .. look at 4870 equal to the X2!
try again 😛
maybe 3rd time
🙂
i am benching with Cat 8.9 and X2 wipes the floor with 280 in Crysis at very high at 16x10 and 19x12
4870x2 -16x10
34.25/22/50
GTX280 - 16x10
26.45/19/34
4870x2 -19x12
29.8/19/41
GTX280 - 19x12
21.78/16/28
nobody bothers to update anything .. i am fixing this issue by always benching with the latest drivers and altering my conclusions as needed
- old drivers .. look at 4870 equal to the X2!
try again 😛
maybe 3rd time
🙂
i am benching with Cat 8.9 and X2 wipes the floor with 280 in Crysis at very high at 16x10 and 19x12
4870x2 -16x10
34.25/22/50
GTX280 - 16x10
26.45/19/34
4870x2 -19x12
29.8/19/41
GTX280 - 19x12
21.78/16/28
nobody bothers to update anything .. i am fixing this issue by always benching with the latest drivers and altering my conclusions as needed
Amd PhenoM
Member
impressive numbers!! =)
badnewcastle
Golden Member
Poppin I'm trying to figure out if I want to spend the extra $100 for a GTX 280 or just get the 4870 1gb or 512, at the the 16x10.
Do you think there is future proof in the 512 mem bit rate on the 280?
What would you do? I can find the money but I don't want if I don't have to so would you even upgrade from where I'm at in my sig...? Keeping everything the same and only replacing the gpu.
Do you think there is future proof in the 512 mem bit rate on the 280?
What would you do? I can find the money but I don't want if I don't have to so would you even upgrade from where I'm at in my sig...? Keeping everything the same and only replacing the gpu.
apoppin
Lifer
i dunno; but i would upgrade your GPU - the 4870/280 class is a solid upgrade from 8800GT
however, perhaps i am not the most practical person to ask 😛
Your CPU certainly is sufficient for what you are looking at.
i would say it depends on what level of detail you demand and if you play Crysis.
Also, how long you intend to keep it is a factor.
Since i don't have the 1GB 4870, i cannot comment. i would choose GTX280 over my 512MB 4870 if this was my choice
- there are some situations where the 1GB version seems smoother than the 512; especially at 19x12, but also at 16x10 if you like details and filtering near maximum
256 vs 512bit is a design choice where AMD compensated by having GDDR-5 and they balanced it pretty well
you also should consider if you consider PhysX important for Geforce GPUs or prefer to go with DX10.1 features
just a few random thoughts as i head off to bed
:moon:
badnewcastle
Golden Member
Thanks Apoppin, you have left me with a few more questions but thanks for the response. Nite.:beer:
SlowSpyder
Lifer
For 16x10 I'm going with a 4870 512, it should suit me just fine. Personally, I don't *need* AA. I wouldn't mind it, but it's not a make or break factor for me. I'd get a 1GB if I found an incredible deal. Also, I typically upgrade my video cards, I'd guess every ~18 months or so. I'm sure a 4870 will suit me fine for that amount of time. If you want to keep your card for 3 years, you'll probably want something more.
cusideabelincoln
Diamond Member
Andtech's recent review of the HD4870 1GB:
@ 16x10
4870: 35.6
4870 1GB: 39.8
4870 X2: 40.2
280: 42.1
@19x12:
4870: 29.7
4870 1GB: 33.3
4870 X2: 39.8
280: 35.8
The most economical solution would be the HD4870 1GB, according to Anandtech's results. Of course, in other games with good CF support then the 4870 X2 will be much faster than the 280 or 4870 1GB even at 16x10. The X2, in some of the games in Anandtech's reviews, is up to 60% faster than the GTX 280 at 16x10.
@ 16x10
4870: 35.6
4870 1GB: 39.8
4870 X2: 40.2
280: 42.1
@19x12:
4870: 29.7
4870 1GB: 33.3
4870 X2: 39.8
280: 35.8
The most economical solution would be the HD4870 1GB, according to Anandtech's results. Of course, in other games with good CF support then the 4870 X2 will be much faster than the 280 or 4870 1GB even at 16x10. The X2, in some of the games in Anandtech's reviews, is up to 60% faster than the GTX 280 at 16x10.
What motherboard are you using for these set of results? These results seem lower than what I've seen on AT's site.Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you posted another link to when X2 did not scale in Crysis
- old drivers .. look at 4870 equal to the X2!
try again 😛
maybe 3rd time
🙂
i am benching with Cat 8.9 and X2 wipes the floor with 280 in Crysis at very high at 16x10 and 19x12
4870x2 -16x10
34.25/22/50
GTX280 - 16x10
26.45/19/34
4870x2 -19x12
29.8/19/41
GTX280 - 19x12
21.78/16/28
nobody bothers to update anything .. i am fixing this issue by always benching with the latest drivers and altering my conclusions as needed
Originally posted by: Amd PhenoM
Originally posted by: apoppin
why disgust ?
you are the same .. mirror images of each other
i like both of you
and the X2 is generally Overkill for 16x10 .. but great for crysis at that resolution ... so if you are looking at future games, it is just "expensive"
but heck, i got one 😛
.. and a GTX280 ...
a single 4870 is insufficient for 19x12 imo; that would make it barely sufficient for 16x10 if you like ultra details and filtering. GTX280 just gives that 'extra' for 19x12 .. but still, for some games, i find i like X2 instead ..
- it kinda makes it tough ..
. . . decisions .. decision . ,, , what GPU shall i play on today?
😕
:laugh:
i think of it like this
ATi are hot girls
nVIDIA anre saggy biker grandmas
idk bout you but id take ATi
After reading this post and your sig, I think im starting to like having you around :laugh:
Amd PhenoM
Member
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Amd PhenoM
Originally posted by: apoppin
why disgust ?
you are the same .. mirror images of each other
i like both of you
and the X2 is generally Overkill for 16x10 .. but great for crysis at that resolution ... so if you are looking at future games, it is just "expensive"
but heck, i got one 😛
.. and a GTX280 ...
a single 4870 is insufficient for 19x12 imo; that would make it barely sufficient for 16x10 if you like ultra details and filtering. GTX280 just gives that 'extra' for 19x12 .. but still, for some games, i find i like X2 instead ..
- it kinda makes it tough ..
. . . decisions .. decision . ,, , what GPU shall i play on today?
😕
:laugh:
i think of it like this
ATi are hot girls
nVIDIA anre saggy biker grandmas
idk bout you but id take ATi
After reading this post and your sig, I think im starting to like having you around :laugh:
looooooool i enjoy your posts =) i think we get along just fine 🙂
SSChevy2001
Senior member
Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you posted another link to when X2 did not scale in Crysis
- old drivers .. look at 4870 equal to the X2!
try again 😛
maybe 3rd time
🙂
i am benching with Cat 8.9 and X2 wipes the floor with 280 in Crysis at very high at 16x10 and 19x12
4870x2 -16x10
34.25/22/50
GTX280 - 16x10
26.45/19/34
4870x2 -19x12
29.8/19/41
GTX280 - 19x12
21.78/16/28
nobody bothers to update anything .. i am fixing this issue by always benching with the latest drivers and altering my conclusions as needed
Here's my 4870 1GB scores
Very High
4870 1GB - 16x10
27.33/20.81/32.14
4870 1GB - 19x12
22.61/16.9/26.31
Tempered81
Diamond Member
How's it do with 4xAA?
SSChevy2001
Senior member
How about 8xAA
High ( Very High Shaders ) 8xAA
4870 1GB - 16x10
39.24/25.73/48.63
4870 1GB - 19x12
33.21/25.06/39.7
Tempered81
Diamond Member
damn that is a fast card
Amd PhenoM
Member
ATi > nShitia duhhhhhhh
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
Andtech's recent review of the HD4870 1GB:
@ 16x10
4870: 35.6
4870 1GB: 39.8
4870 X2: 40.2
280: 42.1
@19x12:
4870: 29.7
4870 1GB: 33.3
4870 X2: 39.8
280: 35.8
The most economical solution would be the HD4870 1GB, according to Anandtech's results. Of course, in other games with good CF support then the 4870 X2 will be much faster than the 280 or 4870 1GB even at 16x10. The X2, in some of the games in Anandtech's reviews, is up to 60% faster than the GTX 280 at 16x10.
What motherboard are you using for these set of results? These results seem lower than what I've seen on AT's site.Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you posted another link to when X2 did not scale in Crysis
- old drivers .. look at 4870 equal to the X2!
try again 😛
maybe 3rd time
🙂
i am benching with Cat 8.9 and X2 wipes the floor with 280 in Crysis at very high at 16x10 and 19x12
4870x2 -16x10
34.25/22/50
GTX280 - 16x10
26.45/19/34
4870x2 -19x12
29.8/19/41
GTX280 - 19x12
21.78/16/28
nobody bothers to update anything .. i am fixing this issue by always benching with the latest drivers and altering my conclusions as needed
Gigabyte P35 MB ..
But No problem i JUST upgraded this weekend to X48 ASUS P5e .. and i am getting to X2 benches as soon as i finish with 4870 .. i will probably have results for you tonight
- was Anand using "very high" for all settings? i am but i do not use AA or AF because it is slow as it is
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You got to realize .. and it is nothing personal, but i got tired of having you as a little sister; tagging along and always trying to spoil my posting fun here.
- and now that i also really like and post good things about Nvidia, i see you are completely confused
:brokenheart:
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Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you posted another link to when X2 did not scale in Crysis
- old drivers .. look at 4870 equal to the X2!
try again 😛
maybe 3rd time
🙂
i am benching with Cat 8.9 and X2 wipes the floor with 280 in Crysis at very high at 16x10 and 19x12
4870x2 -16x10
34.25/22/50
GTX280 - 16x10
26.45/19/34
4870x2 -19x12
29.8/19/41
GTX280 - 19x12
21.78/16/28
nobody bothers to update anything .. i am fixing this issue by always benching with the latest drivers and altering my conclusions as needed
Here's my 4870 1GB scores
Very High
4870 1GB - 16x10
27.33/20.81/32.14
4870 1GB - 19x12
22.61/16.9/26.31
Cool .. here are my 512MB 4870 results
Very High
4870 512MB - 16x10
24.23/19/30
4870 512MB - 19x12
20.04/16/25
they are pretty close but i can sure tell when 512MB is not enough memory for Crysis .. i guess i need to upgrade to 1GB 😛
for "funs" here is CF X-3 with a e8600@4Ghz on a p35 MB [using a 512MB 4870 in the 2nd 4xPCIe slot paired with a X2 in the 16x primary slot]
Very High
4870 CF-x3 - 16x10
24.05/13/39
4870 CF-x3 - 19x12
24.05/12/36
reverse scaling in Crysis .. generally there was a slight increase in FPS with mismatched CF and i think i can see the VRAM being cut in half on the X2 as being a major factor in the slowdown over X2. i look forward to seeing what the full 16x + 16x performance difference is.
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Not so good. 16xAF tends to have a pretty small performance hit - less than 280GTX, i believe. But enabling AA slows the gaming experience too much for me
- it is fine at 11x8
SSChevy2001
Senior member
@apoppin
Thanks. It's nice to see that even at 16x10 crysis uses more than 512mb.
Does the X3 reverse scale with your X48 or is it the vram that's causing it?
Thanks. It's nice to see that even at 16x10 crysis uses more than 512mb.
Does the X3 reverse scale with your X48 or is it the vram that's causing it?
postmortemIA
Diamond Member
if you have 22" LCD, better step up for a nice non-TN monitor than a graphics card...
sourthings
Member
I agree with this, when you are looking to spend extra, and you're a gamer, your first consideration should be your monitor. And usually look at it as a long-term purchase if you're buying a nice one, it will probably be the most expensive part you buy, if you go for a high quality monitor, and imo, makes the biggest difference in your gaming experience.
Yes you need a nice to card to power it all, but these days you can buy a 4870 1gb for $300 that handles every game at resolutions up to 2560x1600 on max settings short of Crysis and a couple other titles you'll have to dial down.
I bought one of the nice LG 24" panels before they went to all TNs for $700 or so, and have not regretted it. Ever since I bought an X2 and have found that the card is just too much for my screen, I've wanted a 30". The biggest thing holding me back on blowing the cash is the thought that if I'd just bought it from the outset it would only be $800 more than what I already spent, rather than now being another $1500 plus taxes for it :/ Thant and I have no real use for the 24" if I buy the 30" apart from giving it to my gf for her pc and I doubt she'd really care for it one way or the other.
In short, monitor should be where you spend your most money, followed by vid card.
cusideabelincoln
Diamond Member
Ah, that's the answer. Anand likes to only use very high shaders in Crysis, while leaving the other settings on just high. If you're using all very high settings, then I can see why the GTX 280 takes a pretty big dropoff compared to the HD4870 when comparing your results to AT's.
apoppin
Lifer
i don't know yet for sure
i am just getting to X2/X3 testing on my x48 mb today
- these tests should answer a few questions about limiting 4870x2 to 512MB VRAM
it is a matter of personal preference. i *play* Crysis for myself on Very High [@16x10] .. with only "shadows" settings set to "high"
- when i test, i just set *everything* to Very High, so it is an easy reference [and i think a "goal" to play Crysis fully on "very high"]
- in Warhead, i do not compromise at all .. 19x12; all "enthusiast"
FalseChristian
Diamond Member
I don't know why people insist that they have to play Crysis at 1600x1200 or higher with 8x AA and then complain that you're getting shitty frame-rates. I play Crysis at 1280x1024 with 4xAA with everything on high and it is smooth as butter and looks great!😕
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