Opinions on seatbelt/helmet laws?

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

funny, those people aren't such "big talkers" when that happens. suddenly the law isn't so much BS when they are catapulted through the air on impact.

Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

 

[BlancoNino]

Seatbelt laws are just another way of idiot-proofing the system so that we can invent a bigger idiot. *sigh* -- when will we ever make progress?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: moshquerade

funny, those people aren't such "big talkers" when that happens. suddenly the law isn't so much BS when they are catapulted through the air on impact.

Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

what made you think i was talking to you?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

what made you think i was talking to you?

I was also born with something they used to call "psychic powers", and I don't need someone to tell me what they're thinking.

And no.
Yes.
Stop it.

 

[Journer]

91TTZ: here is what is wrong with your thought procces...

A. as much as you think, the government is not out to get you and is not slowly trying to take over all the rights of citizens...what is your logic behind this? According to this logic, it would be overcontrolling of the government to arrest you for murder? if you cant stop someone from murder than what good is a government?
B. there is no set line of what the government should and should not be able to do. The whole purpose of politics and democracy is to further the way the government works in order to better suit the nation as a whole
c. not everyone is an idiot just because you say they are
d. your thinking is not as open-minded and great as you think it is. In fact, it is more one-sided than anything. Ex. you automatically assume since we people want laws to protect those who cannot protect themselves that we are a 'nanny-state' Communism is nanny state because the government decides everything based on the governments ideals and the people dont vote for the way the government is run...if you dont like how america is being run make sure you vote...if you dont win, then obviously more than half of the people think you are wrong...if your senators dont vote the way you wanted them to, vote for new ones
e. you are certinaly NOT thinking objectively...obviously proven because you are getting upset and name calling...on top of that you are extremely prideful...no ONE person can truely think objectively, it is natural for a human to think emotionally, mostly on the subconcious level...i am no brain doctor or scientists, but i've read many things about it and i'm sure a profesional in that matter could go WAY in depth. Therefore, the only TRUE way to be an objective thinker would be to be a LARGE group...where all the people check eachother and fight towards dismissing emotional thoughts...but then again, humans are emotional...we should think emotionally, just not too much or too little...

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: moshquerade

funny, those people aren't such "big talkers" when that happens. suddenly the law isn't so much BS when they are catapulted through the air on impact.

Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

LMFAOROFL!LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now lets hear this...how the hell do you determine who has common sense and what qualifies you to have it...i'm sure the people who dont wear it think they have loads of common sense...lol...you think your so god damn smart

also, if that is the TRUE case of what happened (which is definitly NOT the whole story) then the parrents wouldnt have won...unless of course there were people with 'common sense' such as your's on the jury

edit: this has happened before...there is some awards for biggest moron law suits won ...the #1 case being about cruise control and an RV...our system isnt perfect...but its better than most and is usually the most fair

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: NatePo717
Everyone should have to wear a seatbelt or a helmet no matter what. If you get caught not doing so by some type of law enforcement they should be allowed to take you down with lethal force. Seeing as how basically anything you hit will kill you anyway they are doing you a favor by giving you a faster and cleaner death where the body will be identifiable.

Actually that works too. I would be safe because I wear my seatbelt.

It seems that we all agree on one point. That is that you should wear your seatbelt, it could save your life in the event of an accident. Not a single person on either side of the argument has contested that.

I remember the videos I saw in driver's ed.

"There's room to live in there"

That was in reference to a wreck where there was still room to pass your hand between the door and the passenger's seat on the side of the impact. Obviously it was safer to be inside the car than skidding along the highway after you were ejected through the windshield.

All the idiots in the country who don't wear their seatbelts have probably seen similar videos but they think that it's not going to happen to them? When it does happen and they return to their previous habits I guess they think it's not going to happen again? The only way we can get these IDIOTS to wear their seatbelt is to introduce them to a penalty that is inexplicably more immediate that the prospect of their own deaths, that being a token fine or optional jail time?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Journer
A. as much as you think, the government is not out to get you and is not slowly trying to take over all the rights of citizens...what is your logic behind this? According to this logic, it would be overcontrolling of the government to arrest you for murder? if you cant stop someone from murder than what good is a government?

That's not even the close to being the same. In one example you're being punished because you might hurt yourself, and in the other example you're being punished for hurting someone else.

B. there is no set line of what the government should and should not be able to do. The whole purpose of politics and democracy is to further the way the government works in order to better suit the nation as a whole

There is a set line what the government should not be able to do. It's written in the Constitution.

c. not everyone is an idiot just because you say they are

Either they're idiots or I'm some super genius. I don't particularly think of myself as being exceptionally smart, so I guess that makes them idiots. Either way, I managed to consistently score better than 98% of them all throughout school. Your explanation is as good as mine.

e. you are certinaly NOT thinking objectively...obviously proven because you are getting upset and name calling...on top of that you are extremely prideful...no ONE person can truely think objectively, it is natural for a human to think emotionally, mostly on the subconcious level...i am no brain doctor or scientists, but i've read many things about it and i'm sure a profesional in that matter could go WAY in depth. Therefore, the only TRUE way to be an objective thinker would be to be a LARGE group...where all the people check eachother and fight towards dismissing emotional thoughts...but then again, humans are emotional...we should think emotionally, just not too much or too little...

I'm not getting upset, in fact I enjoy this. Maybe my writing style seems too serious. In addition, while you're not a professional, I'm a rocket surgeon so you should listen to my views on politics and take them as fact.

 

[oogabooga]

There are a ton of road laws that apply for the safety of everyone else on the road. And yet one of the few whose main purpose is to protect you is the one you're complaining about?

Driving is a privilage, The govt' made a law to cover what I do anyway. Fine by me.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Journer

Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

LMFAOROFL!LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now lets hear this...how the hell do you determine who has common sense and what qualifies you to have it...i'm sure the people who dont wear it think they have loads of common sense...lol...you think your so god damn smart

also, if that is the TRUE case of what happened (which is definitly NOT the whole story) then the parrents wouldnt have won...unless of course there were people with 'common sense' such as your's on the jury

edit: this has happened before...there is some awards for biggest moron law suits won ...the #1 case being about cruise control and an RV...our system isnt perfect...but its better than most and is usually the most fair[/quote]

Um...91TTZ made good points. Your response didn't make much sense at all...especially the middle paragraph.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

If you're that concerned, you could refuse to ride in the car unless all passengers are wearing a belt.

People should be forced to take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: moshquerade

funny, those people aren't such "big talkers" when that happens. suddenly the law isn't so much BS when they are catapulted through the air on impact.

Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

LMFAOROFL!LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now lets hear this...how the hell do you determine who has common sense and what qualifies you to have it..

With a specially modified mass spectrometer.

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Journer
A. as much as you think, the government is not out to get you and is not slowly trying to take over all the rights of citizens...what is your logic behind this? According to this logic, it would be overcontrolling of the government to arrest you for murder? if you cant stop someone from murder than what good is a government?

That's not even the close to being the same. In one example you're being punished because you might hurt yourself, and in the other example you're being punished for hurting someone else.

B. there is no set line of what the government should and should not be able to do. The whole purpose of politics and democracy is to further the way the government works in order to better suit the nation as a whole

There is a set line what the government should not be able to do. It's written in the Constitution.

c. not everyone is an idiot just because you say they are

Either they're idiots or I'm some super genius. I don't particularly think of myself as being exceptionally smart, so I guess that makes them idiots. Either way, I managed to consistently score better than 98% of them all throughout school. Your explanation is as good as mine.

e. you are certinaly NOT thinking objectively...obviously proven because you are getting upset and name calling...on top of that you are extremely prideful...no ONE person can truely think objectively, it is natural for a human to think emotionally, mostly on the subconcious level...i am no brain doctor or scientists, but i've read many things about it and i'm sure a profesional in that matter could go WAY in depth. Therefore, the only TRUE way to be an objective thinker would be to be a LARGE group...where all the people check eachother and fight towards dismissing emotional thoughts...but then again, humans are emotional...we should think emotionally, just not too much or too little...

I'm not getting upset, in fact I enjoy this. Maybe my writing style seems too serious. In addition, while you're not a professional, I'm a rocket surgeon so you should listen to my views on politics and take them as fact.

A. it is because if you dont wear your seatbelt there is a possibility you will hurt someone else
b. the constitution has had how many revisions? law is ALWAYS changing
c. did you ever think of the middle? there is more than morons and super geniouses...maybe you are moderatly smart? School doesnt awlays reflect life...i know plenty of straight A students/high SAT/ACT/LSAT, etc. people that SUCK at life...cant control themselves, too much pressure, no 'common sense', the list goes on. Fact being, just because your scores are better doesnt mean you are smarter person in general. there is no set standard and never will be.
d. as well as i. The only way man-kind can truely progress is by reason and debate over that reason. I meant i was not a brain/psyche professional...i'm not exactly sure what a rocket surgeon is, but wtf does that have ANYTHING to do with politicol views? This is just like those dumbass celebs. that think their politicol views on everything is sooooo damned important because of their job...i hope you were joking

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Journer

Funny, I'd be wearing my seatbelt whether the law was in place or not. I was born with something they used to call "common sense", and I don't need government legislation to make me wear one.

I'm out of touch with these new kids, whose parents sue because there was no sign instructing them not to jump off the 8th story of a parking garage.

LMFAOROFL!LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now lets hear this...how the hell do you determine who has common sense and what qualifies you to have it...i'm sure the people who dont wear it think they have loads of common sense...lol...you think your so god damn smart

also, if that is the TRUE case of what happened (which is definitly NOT the whole story) then the parrents wouldnt have won...unless of course there were people with 'common sense' such as your's on the jury

edit: this has happened before...there is some awards for biggest moron law suits won ...the #1 case being about cruise control and an RV...our system isnt perfect...but its better than most and is usually the most fair

Um...91TTZ made good points. Your response didn't make much sense at all...especially the middle paragraph.[/quote]


it was an examplatory response to what he said...it made sense to me...maybe i should re-write it and be more thorough?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Journer
i'm not exactly sure what a rocket surgeon is, but wtf does that have ANYTHING to do with politicol views? This is just like those dumbass celebs. that think their politicol views on everything is sooooo damned important because of their job...i hope you were joking

lol

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Journer

A. it is because if you dont wear your seatbelt there is a possibility you will hurt someone else

I'm still trying to figure out why this is true. I suppose that my body flying through the windshield of my car might be seen as a projectile weapon, but the unlikeliness of this ocurrence would seem to deny the mandate of any law.

b. the constitution has had how many revisions? law is ALWAYS changing

Yes and for the better we hope...

c. did you ever think of the middle? there is more than morons and super geniouses...maybe you are moderatly smart? School doesnt awlays reflect life...i know plenty of straight A students/high SAT/ACT/LSAT, etc. people that SUCK at life...cant control themselves, too much pressure, no 'common sense', the list goes on. Fact being, just because your scores are better doesnt mean you are smarter person in general. there is no set standard and never will be.

I agree here. I won't comment on spelling. Oh wait nvm...

d. as well as i. The only way man-kind can truely progress is by reason and debate over that reason. I meant i was not a brain/psyche professional...i'm not exactly sure what a rocket surgeon is, but wtf does that have ANYTHING to do with politicol views? This is just like those dumbass celebs. that think their politicol views on everything is sooooo damned important because of their job...i hope you were joking

pretty sure he was.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
http://healthresearch.georgetown.edu/Erica/helmetlaws.htm

Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If you're too dumb to wear a helmet by choice, you need the government to protect you, not just for your sake, but the sake of your family, friends, employer, other insurance customers, etc.
Insurance companies can't refuse payout to riders not wearing helmets because that insurance is required by the state if you don't wear a helmet.
Plus helmet laws save money.

Many additional studies address the increased cost to taxpayers resulting from the increase in injury rates when helmet laws were repealed (14-17). NHTSA estimates that motorcycle helmet use saved $13.2 billion between 1984 and 1999 (1). The United States General Accounting Office estimates that a surviving patient with a critical head injury incurs an average of $171,000 in medical and rehabilitation costs in the first year following the injury (18). Most insurance plans do not cover the complete costs of hospitalization or long-term rehabilitation for motorcycle crash victims, and approximately 22% of the costs of inpatient care alone are paid with public funds (19).

helmet laws are also responsible for our current lack of organ donors. ironic that the law designed to protect people ends up hurting others.

personally, let the stupid people die. it is not the job of the government to interupt the process of natural selection.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Only children should be required by law to wear a seatbelt.

why? because it's ok for children to survive while their parents die in an accident rendering them parent-less?

Is it ok for adults to smoke their way to lung cancer?

Someone that dumb shouldn't be having kids in the first place.

I almost feel sorry for anyone stupid enough not to wear a seatbelt.

Almost.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You gotta love the non-thinkers here. Their reasoning is that if I don't support a sealbelt law, then I must be one of those guys who never wears his seatbelt, all the while ignoring the fact that I've repeatedly said that I always wear mine.

it's a reasonable assumption to make that if someone thinks the seatbelt law is total BS that they probably aren't wearing one.

Blasphemy.

I always wear mine, even when driving across the fvcking parking lot.

I just think nanny state laws are ridiculous.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

If you're that concerned, you could refuse to ride in the car unless all passengers are wearing a belt.

People should be forced to take responsibility for their own actions.

I totally agree with you. However, this does not work AT ALL if those people are still allowed to file lawsuits if some accident happens. This is the critical point that a lot of people simply do not seem to realize.

 

[CFster]

Ah, the paranoia is strong in this thread...

Nooo, the nanny government is telling me what to do!

 

[Xonoahbin]

I disagree with seatbelt and helmet laws. It's not right to FORCE safety on citizens, just like making attempts at suicide a crime. When the government forces safety, they can put televisions in your living room to protect you from possible terrorists. 1984 anyone? Same with curfew laws. I should be able to be on the streets past 10:00 if I want, this is America.

 

[momsmad]

you could always learn from idiots mistakes....like he slteeler quaterback

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You gotta love the non-thinkers here. Their reasoning is that if I don't support a sealbelt law, then I must be one of those guys who never wears his seatbelt, all the while ignoring the fact that I've repeatedly said that I always wear mine.

it's a reasonable assumption to make that if someone thinks the seatbelt law is total BS that they probably aren't wearing one.

Blasphemy.

I always wear mine, even when driving across the fvcking parking lot.

I just think nanny state laws are ridiculous.

i didn't claim my assumption was an absolute.

 

[skace]

Seat belt laws motivate parents to get their children to buckle up when they normally wouldn't. Not every parent requires this motivation, just those who most likely don't wear seat belts themselves or are generally lazy.