Opinion: Jordan Peterson has always been a crank

[igor_kavinski]

By the way, I don't know if this is a weird coincidence (though I prefer not to think of it as such due to past crap) but one middle of the night when I was going to my studio in the villa I live in, I open the main door and find an Arab girl of 20 something (could be Moroccan or Lebanese) sitting on the bottom rung of the stairs talking on the phone. I had probably never seen her before but figured she was living in the studio across my door since I've seen and said hello and only hello to her studio mate (a somewhat older woman) before. She looked at me strange like, who the heck is this? I just said hello and moved to my door, opened it and went inside. Two days later, a wireless camera gets installed above the stairs. And I've been living here for almost two years and a camera was never needed there before.

So did she feel "unsafe" when she saw me? Was it really necessary for her to call up the landlord (I assume she or maybe one of her friends did that), say something to the effect "strange men come here" and get the camera installed? This is the sort of thing women do to me. Either consider me a direct threat (just for even glancing at their faces) or look at me with disgust like they are annoyed that I'm not the sort of guy they prefer dealing with. Not often I meet a woman who is respectful and just nods her head with a smile when I say hello and never exhibits any weird behavior towards me.

This is very close to what I look like: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/the-ai-discussion-thread.2611025/post-41474023

Show it to your wife/girlfriend and get their opinion on what they would do if they saw me or if I look like a creep or a sex offender without having done anything at all.

 

[ch33zw1z]

By the way, I don't know if this is a weird coincidence (though I prefer not to think of it as such due to past crap) but one middle of the night when I was going to my studio in the villa I live in, I open the main door and find an Arab girl of 20 something (could be Moroccan or Lebanese) sitting on the bottom rung of the stairs talking on the phone. I had probably never seen her before but figured she was living in the studio across my door since I've seen and said hello and only hello to her studio mate (a somewhat older woman) before. She looked at me strange like, who the heck is this? I just said hello and moved to my door, opened it and went inside. Two days later, a wireless camera gets installed above the stairs. And I've been living here for almost two years and a camera was never needed there before.

So did she feel "unsafe" when she saw me? Was it really necessary for her to call up the landlord (I assume she or maybe one of her friends did that), say something to the effect "strange men come here" and get the camera installed? This is the sort of thing women do to me. Either consider me a direct threat (just for even glancing at their faces) or look at me with disgust like they are annoyed that I'm not the sort of guy they prefer dealing with. Not often I meet a woman who is respectful and just nods her head with a smile when I say hello and never exhibits any weird behavior towards me.

This is very close to what I look like: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/the-ai-discussion-thread.2611025/post-41474023

Show it to your wife/girlfriend and get their opinion on what they would do if they saw me or if I look like a creep or a sex offender without having done anything at all.

What evidence do you have to support your theory that the camera was installed because of that encounter?

You consistently present logical fallacies in this thread. I havent bothered pointing them out, yet this is another example of jumping to conclusions.

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[igor_kavinski]

What evidence do you have to support your theory that the camera was installed because of that encounter?

To get that evidence, I would need to call up the landlord to ask why he suddenly installed this camera and I doubt he will give me a straight answer. And knocking on the door of those ladies' studio to demand an answer is obviously out of the question. You will just have to trust me that this happens to me a lot. Since you or many others here have not been subjected to these weird women behaviors, I can totally understand why you are baffled at my insinuations.

 

[ch33zw1z]

To get that evidence, I would need to call up the landlord to ask why he suddenly installed this camera and I doubt he will give me a straight answer. And knocking on the door of those ladies' studio to demand an answer is obviously out of the question. You will just have to trust me that this happens to me a lot. Since you or many others here have not been subjected to these weird women behaviors, I can totally understand why you are baffled at my insinuations.

Without the evidence to support the conclusion, then the theory is unproven and you just “know” it. Living like that will let situations eat at your mental health, thus another unhealthy behavior. This mental health degradation will (and sounds line already is) affect your interactions with others.

You cant control others behavior, be concerned with what you can change and let the other stuff go.

You assume others havent been subject to these types of behaviors. Well, i can assure you that others have, and myself included. I think a big difference is how we react to others. I often diffuse tense situations with humor, my personality, and an easy way to get away from situations that can cause problems.

 

[mikeymikec]

Women don't just want a fucktoy. They want one they can control and sex is just an excuse as the first step. My issues in the workplace have been with women in totally non-sexual scenarios where they treated me like they were offended that there wasn't someone better to deal with, someone more handsome, someone younger and someone more willing to praise or charm them.

Please can you summarise the objective of all men like you believe you can summarise the objective of all women, or is this when you start trying to use cop-out wording like "well, not all...."?

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is another example of you using such stereotypically incel language that it's like you went out of your way to sound like one. Honestly, if you found yourself a gathering of incels and spouted the crap you've been spouting here, they would welcome you like one of their own.

Personally I think your problem is that you treat women like an alien species that you desperately want to fuck, it shows when you interact with them and therefore you get rejected, and each time the same old strategy doesn't work, it further radicalises you against them. For the sake of self-preservation, women have to recognise that many men just want to get into their pants, and for women that scenario carries many risks, and far worse risks than it does for men.

If you want my advice, stop listening to JP et al, they're only going to help further your radicalisation. It's no coincidence that this thread descended into repeated recitals of the narcissist's prayer and misogyny. I realise that's another word you're not going to like, but the fact of the matter is you're acting like the ~4 billion women on this planet got churned out from a factory with beliefs and catchphrases preinstalled, and you haven't figured out which button you need to press to initiate consensual sex. Keep going down this path and you'll start learning how to successfully target vulnerable women (probably thanks to "pickup artists"), and a bit further down the path is the sex offenders register.

Yarp, peterson is so popular with certain demographics for a reason. Those who feel slighted by the “fairer sex” and dont think they need to change a thing are primary targets. Petersons views on sex, gender, and preferred roles are archaic. He dresses them up like their some novel new idea, but in the end its the same old misogynistic ideas from yesteryear. Fear based regressives, same ole same ole

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yarp, peterson is so popular with certain demographics for a reason. Those who feel slighted by the “fairer sex” and dont think they need to change a thing are primary targets. Petersons views on sex, gender, and preferred roles are archaic. He dresses them up like their some novel new idea, but in the end its the same old misogynistic ideas from yesteryear. Fear based regressives, same ole same ole

What is your solution to this "slighted" demographic since they number in the tens of millions if not more throughout the world? Why are women off the hook for not behaving better with this demographic?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Please can you summarise the objective of all men like you believe you can summarise the objective of all women, or is this when you start trying to use cop-out wording like "well, not all...."?

Obviously not all women are like what I described with my fucktoy comment. There are plenty of genuinely nice women looking for honest, serious relationships where sex is not the primary objective. But in the context of JP's views, it is the troublesome women that are the subject of this thread and they are becoming increasingly common in the workplace.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What is your solution to this "slighted" demographic since they number in the tens of millions if not more throughout the world? Why are women off the hook for not behaving better with this demographic?

My solution has been presented. Your problem is apparent, stop blaming others and fix yourself.

Shit man, “women not behaving better with this demographic “….do you hear yourself and consider this a rational thought?

Personal growth my friend, you need some.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You assume others havent been subject to these types of behaviors. Well, i can assure you that others have, and myself included. I think a big difference is how we react to others. I often diffuse tense situations with humor, my personality, and an easy way to get away from situations that can cause problems.

What if there's a whole army of men who have no idea on how to do that and wouldn't really get better even with training because maybe it's a mental handicap of sorts? Can these men be recognized by women so they don't behave unfairly, if women indeed are interested in equal treatment of the sexes or are they just looking for best treatment for themselves and getting simps on their side whenever it suits their purposes?

That Will Smith incident? It was his woman's fault since he is such a pathetic simp for her.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Obviously not all women are like what I described with my fucktoy comment. There are plenty of genuinely nice women looking for honest, serious relationships where sex is not the primary objective. But in the context of JP's views, it is the troublesome women that are the subject of this thread and they are becoming increasingly common in the workplace.

You feel quite comfortable generaling “most women as tools of satan”, why cant you do the same thing for men?

 

[ch33zw1z]

What if there's a whole army of men who have no idea on how to do that and wouldn't really get better even with training because maybe it's a mental handicap of sorts? Can these men be recognized by women so they don't behave unfairly, if women indeed are interested in equal treatment of the sexes or are they just looking for best treatment for themselves and getting simps on their side whenever it suits their purposes?

So you want special treatment due to a disability? Well, get a diagnosis and seek professional help. Stop blaming others.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You feel quite comfortable generaling “most women as tools of satan”, why cant you do the same thing for men?

I'm not uncomfortable saying that for most men too. I'm not some defender of all men. Men like me, yes, I'm a defender of.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm not uncomfortable saying that for most men too. I'm not some defender of all men. Men like me, yes, I'm a defender of.

So most men are a tool of satan?

You seem to be a defender of people who refuse to grow.

 

[igor_kavinski]

So most men are a tool of satan?

Duh. Wars and war crimes == men

You seem to be a defender of people who refuse to grow.

The world is messed up beyond repair if I need to upgrade my social skills just to survive in the workplace thanks to modernized women being insensitive and entitled.

 

[brycejones]

Cold biological truth:

If you are unable to figure out the mating dance to attract a mate your genetic material will be culled from the species.

This applies to bison, birds, fish, and even humans. Humans just like to talk about it more and there are people who make money telling those humans who fail at it that the dance is the problem not their inability to perform it.

 

[brycejones]

The world is messed up beyond repair if I need to upgrade my social skills just to survive in the workplace thanks to modernized women being insensitive and entitled.

Well that’s some self serving bullshit.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Duh. Wars and war crimes == men


The world is messed up beyond repair if I need to upgrade my social skills just to survive in the workplace thanks to modernized women being insensitive and entitled.

So wars equal tools of satan? What else do you think a mythical being is responsible for? What evidence can you provide to support the claim?

So refusing to grow, along with other men that would prefer to blame someone else and desire legacy norms where 50% of the population is treated as lesser than again.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Cold biological truth:

If you are unable to figure out the mating dance to attract a mate your genetic material will be culled from the species.

This applies to bison, birds, fish, and even humans. Humans just like to talk about it more and there are people who make money telling those humans who fail at it that the dance is the problem not their inability to perform it.

Very true and I don't deny that.

But the thing being ignored here is that animals don't have as high developed brains as humans do. We are supposed to be better than animals.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Very true and I don't deny that.

But the thing being ignored here is that animals don't have as high developed brains as humans do. We are supposed to be better than animals.

Thats funny, cuz biology is the reasoning behind petersons discussion on make up.

 

[igor_kavinski]

desire legacy norms where 50% of the population is treated as lesser than again.

Not what I'm advocating. Women just need to do better and there needs to be societal pressure on them before they will start doing that. Right now, they are enjoying their trip on the "playing the victim and crocodile tears" train.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not what I'm advocating. Women just need to do better and there needs to be societal pressure on them before they will start doing that. Right now, they are enjoying their trip on the victim and crocodile tears train.

Lol, my guy, youre the one claiming victimhood and crying about it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

“women just need to do better”, smfh

 

[igor_kavinski]

Lol, my guy, youre the one claiming victimhood and crying about it.

Because I genuinely am the victim on the men's side but ironically the feminism leaning readers of this thread are siding with the women and obviously most women will take a stance against me too. I know at least four women on Youtube who talk about the toxic behavior of modern women towards men and they are absolute angels for talking against their kind.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Because I genuinely am the victim on the men's side but ironically the feminism leaning readers of this thread are siding with the women and obviously most women will take a stance against me too. I know at least four women on Youtube who talk about the toxic behavior of modern women towards men and they are absolute angels for talking against their kind.

You’ve convinced yourself that others are the problem and that you lack agency. On top of that, you looking for information that supports your perspective, which is called cognitive bias.

look dude, people can be toxic, this is irrelevant of sex/gender. Easiest solution is to not be around those people.

You have a choice, stop pretending like you dont and some mythical creature is behind things. You have agency, use it.

Edit: to add to this, sometimes you’re the toxic person others dont want to be around. It doesnt matter if you think you are, if others perceive you that way. Best thing you can do is introspect, identify what part of your character is causing that response, and decide if you want to change it. I dont think everyone has this ability, but if you do then i encourage you to use it, even if that means seeking the help of a professional to assist with that growth