Opinion: Jordan Peterson has always been a crank

[Moonbeam]

Pay them back that way for their attention seeking behavior? I would prefer never to see them again. For me, sexual relations are holy and a meaningful meeting of two souls. I would not engage in that activity out of spite or to teach someone a lesson.

I wouldn't either. I am, in my opinion even more capable of doing so than you because I know that I am a not just a person who holds sexuality as sacred, but I am also well aware that I am an animal built to want to fuck young healthy women but especially ones that already have children. It's innate promate behavior. My spiritual proclivities are built over a that much more ancient and primitive drive to spread my genes. I am not interested in guilt tripping myself over my it, sex drive. I just want to be the one in the drivers seat. Do you know the story of how we have three basic centers, the horse, the the carriage and the driver, the body, the heart and the mind, and a passenger who determines where the four will go. You won't get far crippling the horse.

I have mentioned, I am sure, that I died losing all my sacred beliefs. I simply no longer know what you do. Do unto others as you, did you not hate yourself, want done to you. Before you wish to claim spirituality make sure you are self-flagellation free. What do you think is the attraction to black lace, whips and chains. Punish me please!!!! And why do you suppose women just love bad boys and often have such bad taste in men.

I love Korean drama. So much nicer than the sexual garbage American TV produces. It would be therapeutic for you, I think. You can spend 20 hours watching two gorgeous specimens circle round each other before taking their first kiss. It's so sometimes even Puritan me wants to scream, do it you cowardly twits.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I love Korean drama. So much nicer than the sexual garbage American TV produces. It would be therapeutic for you, I think. You can spend 20 hours watching two gorgeous specimens circle round each other before taking their first kiss. It's so sometimes even Puritan me wants to scream, do it you cowardly twits.

I saw one (a movie, not a series) where the girl writes funny sex comics and it was so hilarious that I couldn't keep myself from chuckling out loud. And I never want to see another movie like that again. I think Korean anything plays with our emotions too much. Their directors are like precision emotional surgeons and they know how to hit the right spot with what intensity to deliver their intended impact. I do not want my emotions engineered like that.

But yes, I do enjoy good chick flicks. I once saw this lovely possibly indie movie where the guy and girl meet in the airport waiting lounge, board the flight, then have to stay at a hotel. They talk the whole night and goof around. At the end, They are sitting beside the swimming pool, their feet in the water. And the movie supposedly ends with a kiss though we are not shown that. We are just shown that both of them are picked up and we just see their feet being lifted out of the water. That movie filled me with bliss. Their chemistry was genuine and the girl looked amazingly wholesome. The kind you would want to marry and love for the rest of your life.

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well, then I honestly wish I had encountered those women you are referring to and not the ones I had to deal with. In my Dubai job, there was a woman who would show off too much cleavage but at least she didn't mind if you couldn't but steal glances because it was so in your face. She probably even enjoyed the furtive glances. Never had a problem with her. I think she disliked me more if I ignored her.

Maybe, maybe not. Dont overthink it, maintain eye contact, focus on work, and have hobbies outside of the workplace.

Holding a generalization about ~50% of the population is not healthy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Makeup?
Let me respond by redirecting.... can we not all agree... heels need to be banned from existence?

What u got against heels?!

 

[igor_kavinski]

What u got against heels?!

It's not safe for women, for their backs etc. It's a man's invention. That much is sure. Why would any woman with a brain willingly want to wear heels?

And if the women want a weapon in case of emergency, they can wear shoes with retractable heels or blades or whatever.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's not safe for women, for their backs etc. It's a man's invention. That much is sure. Why would any woman with a brain willingly want to wear heels?

And if the women want a weapon in case of emergency, they can wear shoes with retractable heels or blades or whatever.

Sooo…women wearing heels are brainless?

Personally, i think the negatives far outweigh the positives, but banning them is a silly proposition that will likely turn it into more of a “kink”

You might be surprised on their origins:

High-heeled shoe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Great way to bypass the issue I was referring to.

Let's try again.

Nice women end up causing strife in the workplace due to males trying to compete for their affection or attention.

Bitchy/entitled women end up making some males feel inferior or angry when they purposely leave them out of the "fun" interactions they openly have with other males in the workplace.

Bossy Karens end up filling the workplace with sissy sycophants and simps who are not allowed to disagree or speak the truth.

It is a rare workplace where the men and women treat each other with the respect they each deserve and it is more the responsibility of the women to act in a dignified manner and navigate male interactions with a heightened sense of emotional intelligence to avoid turning the workplace into a warzone because men are just grown up children, most of them.

Women are also supposed to be mature enough to understand that the loss of a job is not a simple matter and their actions should not lead to such an outcome for a male they dislike or disapprove of for any reason unless the male is actively engaged in sexual harrassment towards them. It is much easier these days for a male to get fired because of a woman than a woman getting fired because of a man. This is all thanks to the sissy feminists among us.

Sounds like you would be better off moving some place where women aren't allowed in the workplace. I like most of the people I work with, a few I don't. it never has to do with whether they are a man or a woman, or black, or hispanic, or gay, or jewish, or arab, or trans. It always has to do with whether they are good people to work with. I worked with a trans woman who sucked as an employee. Was it because she was trans? No, it's because she was a fucking jerk who couldn't focus on work. She found a job elsewhere. If you find that nice women suck to work with and not-nice women also suck to work with, you really need to find a place that doesn't employ women, because you clearly can't work with women.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Someone let me know when Jordan Peterson starts exclusively wearing practical gray jumpsuits and stops grooming because how you specifically dress and groom yourself also has a bearing on how you project yourself sexually among men and women. I might take him seriously about women wearing makeup then.

 

[igor_kavinski]

because you clearly can't work with women.

I work fine with them in my current job but I have to stay the hell away from them and keep my interactions to a minimum because you never know when one of them decides to throw a tantrum and cause a drama to bring attention to herself.

This actually happened. Two girls were sitting side by side. One of them was on the phone and the other wanted to ask her something so tried to interrupt her. Girl on the phone taps the other girl on her hand, maybe sharply, signalling that she is busy and let her finish the call. Other girl reports the girl on phone for workplace violence. Girl on phone is called into Head HR's office (also a woman). Head HR threatens to call the police unless girl on phone signs a statement saying that she DID commit an act of violence against the other girl. Girl on phone got scared shitless upon hearing about police because once you get entered into police records here, your job prospects become almost zero. So she signs the statement. Then she resigns because obviously she doesn't feel safe from the other girl anymore. The other girl also resigns (maybe feeling sorry after realizing the extent of the damage she did?).

Two girls out. Two more brought in. One of them is like a cow. Keeps to herself. Won't cause any trouble for anyone. Other just got the job because she was bored at home. Her husband drives a Mercedes. She's the one who dislikes me because I got offended when she tried to make light of a complaint I had and I gave her my piece of mind. Do not expect anything good out of her.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I work fine with them in my current job but I have to stay the hell away from them and keep my interactions to a minimum because you never know when one of them decides to throw a tantrum and cause a drama to bring attention to herself.

This actually happened. Two girls were sitting side by side. One of them was on the phone and the other wanted to ask her something so tried to interrupt her. Girl on the phone taps the other girl on her hand, maybe sharply, signalling that she is busy and let her finish the call. Other girl reports the girl on phone for workplace violence. Girl on phone is called into Head HR's office (also a woman). Head HR threatens to call the police unless girl on phone signs a statement saying that she DID commit an act of violence against the other girl. Girl on phone got scared shitless upon hearing about police because once you get entered into police records here, your job prospects become almost zero. So she signs the statement. Then she resigns because obviously she doesn't feel safe from the other girl anymore. The other girl also resigns (maybe feeling sorry after realizing the extent of the damage she did?).

Two girls out. Two more brought in. One of them is like a cow. Keeps to herself. Won't cause any trouble for anyone. Other just got the job because she was bored at home. Her husband drives a Mercedes. She's the one who dislikes me because I got offended when she tried to make light of a complaint I had and I gave her my piece of mind. Do not expect anything good out of her.

Protecting yourself is natural, happens everywhere.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

I work fine with them in my current job

I really don't think you do. In the quote I was replying to you say that both nice women and not-nice women cause problems at work and literally control the behavior of the men. Apparently the men are incapable of controlling themselves and women bear the far greater responsibilities for maintaining workplace harmony than men. If all women cause problems and men either lack the power to control themselves or have to live in fear, you really shouldn't work with women. It's obviously unhealthy for you.

 

[igor_kavinski]

you really shouldn't work with women. It's obviously unhealthy for you.

Not an option thanks to feminists.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not an option thanks to feminists.

I guess that leaves you with personal growth as the next step. Welcome aboard my friend

 

[brycejones]

Not an option thanks to feminists.

Maybe try growing up. JFC, you sound like some weird MRA kook. The women in your workplace are a you problem not a them problem learn to be a professional, or maybe you can jump under your desk and curl up for safety when they are nearby.

 

[Jaskalas]

What u got against heels?!

It hobbles the user, which is the opposite of functional footwear.
To say nothing of the long term damage to the foot.

Men clearly made women wear heels so they would be rendered helpless in a way.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It hobbles the user, which is the opposite of functional footwear.
To say nothing of the long term damage to the foot.

Men clearly made women wear heels so they would be rendered helpless in a way.

I dont know the motivations really, but the wiki has more information. Interesting stuff

Either way, banning is not a good method to prevention

 

[nakedfrog]

Great way to bypass the issue I was referring to.

Let's try again.

Nice women end up causing strife in the workplace due to males trying to compete for their affection or attention.

Bitchy/entitled women end up making some males feel inferior or angry when they purposely leave them out of the "fun" interactions they openly have with other males in the workplace.

Bossy Karens end up filling the workplace with sissy sycophants and simps who are not allowed to disagree or speak the truth.

It is a rare workplace where the men and women treat each other with the respect they each deserve and it is more the responsibility of the women to act in a dignified manner and navigate male interactions with a heightened sense of emotional intelligence to avoid turning the workplace into a warzone because men are just grown up children, most of them.

Women are also supposed to be mature enough to understand that the loss of a job is not a simple matter and their actions should not lead to such an outcome for a male they dislike or disapprove of for any reason unless the male is actively engaged in sexual harrassment towards them. It is much easier these days for a male to get fired because of a woman than a woman getting fired because of a man. This is all thanks to the sissy feminists among us.

Of course, men lack agency, this is all the fault of women. Burqas for the lot of them, it's only fair to the men that they shouldn't be tempted by those harlots!
They also mustn't speak, lest their dulcet tones engorge the passions of men, as is only natural, since we all know the only reason women are on this earth is for men to stick their dicks in. It's self-evident.

 

[igor_kavinski]

maybe you can jump under your desk and curl up for safety when they are nearby.

Easy for you to say. You haven't been the victim of discrimination.

There's a private lift that we were allowed to use since 2015. Last year it was restricted with a keypad. There's this woman in the building (some lawyer) who took offense with me when the elevator door opened, I saw her alone in it and stepped aside because I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable. She apparently took that as an offense, probably thinking I was displaying arrogance and decided not to enter the elevator with her due to that. I had been using the private elevator for years and many executives saw me using it and didn't complain.

One day, I enter the private elevator and just before the door was closing, she and an executive come inside. My stop was just one floor down so I stepped out and behind me, I heard her joking with the executive, he could've used the stairs. I felt angry at her remark but couldn't do anything because she belonged to the investment group that had bought out the company I work in so they look at us like we are their slaves. Within less than a month, the electronic keypad was installed and I was no longer able to use it to go down.

But it gets better! I was still able to use it from my floor to go up to the COO's office which I needed to do several times a day. They had cheaped out and decided not to install the keypad on my floor. So they saw me using the elevator again and guess what happened next? On my floor, they put up a metallic sign saying that employees of my company are not allowed to use this private elevator. And guess what? Other employees are still using it. There are cameras installed so they know it is being used. But since I am not using it anymore due to that sign, they are happy. However, they still feel incredibly indignant when they see me around so they hatched a new plan. They are forcing our office out of the building, out of the city to a nearby city almost one hour away which is going to force me to consider leaving this company.

So my life disturbed and upended by a malicious woman but of course, none of you are concerned about my plight or my inconvenience. You feminists are fine with whatever happens to me. It's that malicious woman you would like to see protected every single time.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Of course, men lack agency, this is all the fault of women. Burqas for the lot of them, it's only fair to the men that they shouldn't be tempted by those harlots!
They also mustn't speak, lest their dulcet tones engorge the passions of men, as is only natural, since we all know the only reason women are on this earth is for men to stick their dicks in. It's self-evident.

Now you are going off the rails. For women to not be a nuisance, they need to be mature and not cause trouble in the workplace. My first workplace was pretty strict. It was deathly quiet there and almost no one ever mingled there so women weren't a problem. My 2nd workplace was also pretty professional and women were civilized and mature, mostly coz their jobs paid well and they weren't going to jeopardize anything with drama.

My current job, I don't know if something changed since 2008 but all I've seen is women causing trouble one way or the other. Getting into workplace relationships with guys, preferring some males over others and being downright rude to ones they don't like. It's like they have the freedom to be bad actors and no one does anything. The people with the authority to do something against them ignore their actions because obviously they also don't want to get caught in some trap where these women start claiming to be victims. It's like the men have had their balls cut off and they just let the women do whatever they want.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Now you are going off the rails. For women to not be a nuisance, they need to be mature and not cause trouble in the workplace. My first workplace was pretty strict. It was deathly quiet there and almost no one ever mingled there so women weren't a problem. My 2nd workplace was also pretty professional and women were civilized and mature, mostly coz their jobs paid well and they weren't going to jeopardize anything with drama.

My current job, I don't know if something changed since 2008 but all I've seen is women causing trouble one way or the other. Getting into workplace relationships with guys, preferring some males over others and being downright rude to ones they don't like. It's like they have the freedom to be bad actors and no one does anything. The people with the authority to do something against them ignore their actions because obviously they also don't want to get caught in some trap where these women start claiming to be victims. It's like the men have had their balls cut off and they just let the women do whatever they want.

Youre describing a managment issue. How you go from that to writing off most women as tools of satan is a concern, for you.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Easy for you to say. You haven't been the victim of discrimination.

There's a private lift that we were allowed to use since 2015. Last year it was restricted with a keypad. There's this woman in the building (some lawyer) who took offense with me when the elevator door opened, I saw her alone in it and stepped aside because I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable. She apparently took that as an offense, probably thinking I was displaying arrogance and decided not to enter the elevator with her due to that. I had been using the private elevator for years and many executives saw me using it and didn't complain.

One day, I enter the private elevator and just before the door was closing, she and an executive come inside. My stop was just one floor down so I stepped out and behind me, I heard her joking with the executive, he could've used the stairs. I felt angry at her remark but couldn't do anything because she belonged to the investment group that had bought out the company I work in so they look at us like we are their slaves. Within less than a month, the electronic keypad was installed and I was no longer able to use it to go down.

But it gets better! I was still able to use it from my floor to go up to the COO's office which I needed to do several times a day. They had cheaped out and decided not to install the keypad on my floor. So they saw me using the elevator again and guess what happened next? On my floor, they put up a metallic sign saying that employees of my company are not allowed to use this private elevator. And guess what? Other employees are still using it. There are cameras installed so they know it is being used. But since I am not using it anymore due to that sign, they are happy. However, they still feel incredibly indignant when they see me around so they hatched a new plan. They are forcing our office out of the building, out of the city to a nearby city almost one hour away which is going to force me to consider leaving this company.

So my life disturbed and upended by a malicious woman but of course, none of you are concerned about my plight or my inconvenience. You feminists are fine with whatever happens to me. It's that malicious woman you would like to see protected every single time.

I think the logical fallacy you toss in the end there is part of the problem.

 

[nakedfrog]

Now you are going off the rails. For women to not be a nuisance, they need to be mature and not cause trouble in the workplace. My first workplace was pretty strict. It was deathly quiet there and almost no one ever mingled there so women weren't a problem. My 2nd workplace was also pretty professional and women were civilized and mature, mostly coz their jobs paid well and they weren't going to jeopardize anything with drama.

My current job, I don't know if something changed since 2008 but all I've seen is women causing trouble one way or the other. Getting into workplace relationships with guys, preferring some males over others and being downright rude to ones they don't like. It's like they have the freedom to be bad actors and no one does anything. The people with the authority to do something against them ignore their actions because obviously they also don't want to get caught in some trap where these women start claiming to be victims. It's like the men have had their balls cut off and they just let the women do whatever they want.

No, I'm simply pointing out how you view this as 100% the responsibility of women, and none of it is borne by the men, and following it to the logical conclusion which already manifests itself in some places on Earth.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Youre describing a managment issue. How you go from that to writing off most women as tools of satan is a concern, for you.

Management issue where they don't care what the women do. Meaning the women are off the hook. Which allows them to show their true colors. Give them free reign and you get what I've described in my posts. Didn't you read what Marissa did to Yahoo! and how men were treated there?

 

[brycejones]

Easy for you to say. You haven't been the victim of discrimination.

There's a private lift that we were allowed to use since 2015. Last year it was restricted with a keypad. There's this woman in the building (some lawyer) who took offense with me when the elevator door opened, I saw her alone in it and stepped aside because I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable. She apparently took that as an offense, probably thinking I was displaying arrogance and decided not to enter the elevator with her due to that. I had been using the private elevator for years and many executives saw me using it and didn't complain.

One day, I enter the private elevator and just before the door was closing, she and an executive come inside. My stop was just one floor down so I stepped out and behind me, I heard her joking with the executive, he could've used the stairs. I felt angry at her remark but couldn't do anything because she belonged to the investment group that had bought out the company I work in so they look at us like we are their slaves. Within less than a month, the electronic keypad was installed and I was no longer able to use it to go down.

But it gets better! I was still able to use it from my floor to go up to the COO's office which I needed to do several times a day. They had cheaped out and decided not to install the keypad on my floor. So they saw me using the elevator again and guess what happened next? On my floor, they put up a metallic sign saying that employees of my company are not allowed to use this private elevator. And guess what? Other employees are still using it. There are cameras installed so they know it is being used. But since I am not using it anymore due to that sign, they are happy. However, they still feel incredibly indignant when they see me around so they hatched a new plan. They are forcing our office out of the building, out of the city to a nearby city almost one hour away which is going to force me to consider leaving this company.

So my life disturbed and upended by a malicious woman but of course, none of you are concerned about my plight or my inconvenience. You feminists are fine with whatever happens to me. It's that malicious woman you would like to see protected every single time.

Yep weird MRA vibes confirmed. Depending on the building it’s kinda conserved weird to use the elevator if you’re just going one floor up or down. Is there a physical issue preventing you from using the stairs? If you feel this persecuted at your employer go find a new job. That shit ain’t worth it. But nothing you have told us (and this is the first I am hearing this story) has evidence that particular woman is out to get you personally and get you because you are a man. If you find evidence of that then you might have a sex discrimination claim. But I don’t see it from what you have shared here.