Openly Criticize Trump and Face Jail Time?

[shady28]

Proof or it didn't happen. Recording of her saying it would be ideal or at minimum sourced from multiple reports.

Back to OP, no that's not going to happen. No Trump can't just make it so.

Hey man check this out.

I like, highlighted part of what he said, right clicked it and selected Google what I selected, and I got this.

Cool huh?

 

[Double Trouble]

Yep. Let's not forget that Germany, a supposed leader of the first-world, is currently charging one of their own citizens with a crime for criticizing the leader of another nation.

Yes, i read that, it's nuts. Truly bizarre.

 

[Moonbeam]

What we are witnessing is Liberals turning to the Ghost Dance.

http://native-americans-online.com/native-american-ghost-dance.html

Their numbers will swell out of nowhere.......

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Proof or it didn't happen. Recording of her saying it would be ideal or at minimum sourced from multiple reports.

Back to OP, no that's not going to happen. No Trump can't just make it so.

You pretty much got owned.

 

[brycejones]

Yep. Let's not forget that Germany, a supposed leader of the first-world, is currently charging one of their own citizens with a crime for criticizing the leader of another nation.

That case was finally dismissed. The leader of Turkey reminds me of Trump though in that both are thin skinned in the extreme and lash out in any way possible when criticized.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You pretty much got owned.

Not really one is a fake news site (I think) and the others all feed off each other. I believe this is a story that has been taken out of context. I'm busy now but tomorrow morning I'll look and if I am wrong I'll apologize.

Well it only took a second from one of the displayed links:

“Obviously this is a country that is based on free speech,” Lynch told the audience at the Muslim Advocates dinner in Arlington, VA. “But when that edges towards violence…we will take action.”

I'll agree she said at least similar words, however those words were manipulated out of context by some sites.

 

[brycejones]

You pretty much got owned.

Bull shit, not even in the right wing nutter machine linked by shady28 does it say what rudder said it said. Just look at the first story in his results. Its pretty obvious she was referring to people trying to incite violence against Muslims. Not she was looking to prosecute anyone who criticized Muslims.

Edit: Fixed who said what stupid thing. Rudder made a claim, shady28 tried to support it with links that didn't support the claim.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yep. Let's not forget that Germany, a supposed leader of the first-world, is currently charging one of their own citizens with a crime for criticizing the leader of another nation.

Nope

From October:

"But on Tuesday, prosecutors in Mainz said “criminal actions could not be proven with the necessary certainty” and that the charges would be dropped. They said the poem was protected by so-called Kunstfreiheit, or artistic freedom."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...em-recep-tayyip-jan-bohmermann-turkey-germany

He might be still privately sued by Erdogan but I suspect not.

 

[shady28]

Bull shit, not even in the right wing nutter machine does it say what Shady said it said. Just look at the first story in his results. Its pretty obvious she was referring to people trying to incite violence against Muslims. Not she was looking to prosecute anyone who criticized Muslims.

How about you link to what "Shady said it said" - or fix your post?

And when you're done, here's another question. Where did Trump say he would jail anyone who criticized him, hm?

And when you (don't) find the link, why is this thread title - based on supposition - allowed to exist? I've seen much less abrasive thread titles changed.

It's called censorship and promoting fake news from the left, right here in P&N, staring you in your stupid face but you like most here are too much of a retard hack to notice it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Bull shit, not even in the right wing nutter machine does it say what Shady said it said. Just look at the first story in his results. Its pretty obvious she was referring to people trying to incite violence against Muslims. Not she was looking to prosecute anyone who criticized Muslims.

Nope, he asked for it, it was delivered and now he and you try to parse, move the goal posts and redefine, but what he asked for was delivered.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That case was finally dismissed. The leader of Turkey reminds me of Trump though in that both are thin skinned in the extreme and lash out in any way possible when criticized.

Nope

From October:

"But on Tuesday, prosecutors in Mainz said “criminal actions could not be proven with the necessary certainty” and that the charges would be dropped. They said the poem was protected by so-called Kunstfreiheit, or artistic freedom."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...em-recep-tayyip-jan-bohmermann-turkey-germany

He might be still privately sued by Erdogan but I suspect not.

My bad, I did a quick Google to see if there were any updates and mostly just saw stuff circa April 2016. Good to know.

 

[Victorian Gray]

My bad, I did a quick Google to see if there were any updates and mostly just saw stuff circa April 2016. Good to know.

I don't believe that there was ever any real chance that he would actually end up in court. I suspect that it will be determined that he's not open to civil suit either.

 

[HomerJS]

WTF?

Trump will still be limited by laws. Your premise is dumb.

Try this thought experiment. Who can stop you if you decide to start killing all puppies?

So righties were not paranoid that Obama would take away people's second amendment rights yet you claim it's dumb for the OP to worry about his 1st?

 

[brycejones]

How about you link to what "Shady said it said" - or fix your post?

And when you're done, here's another question. Where did Trump say he would jail anyone who criticized him, hm?

And when you (don't) find the link, why is this thread title - based on supposition - allowed to exist? I've seen much less abrasive thread titles changed.

It's called censorship and promoting fake news from the left, right here in P&N, staring you in your stupid face but you like most here are too much of a retard hack to notice it.

You're right Rudder said a stupid thing and then you just tried to support it with shit evidence. So you're both dishonest as hell.

 

[realibrad]

So righties were not paranoid that Obama would take away people's second amendment rights yet you claim it's dumb for the OP to worry about his 1st?

Righties were just as dumb when they thought Obama would take their guns.

Weird that I should need to say that though. Obama should not need to be brought up.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nope, he asked for it, it was delivered and now he and you try to parse, move the goal posts and redefine, but what he asked for was delivered.

I used her exact quote, that is not Parsing. I'll accept the analyzing part but that's just using your brain.

1. a : to resolve (as a sentence) into component parts of speech and describe them grammaticallyb : to describe grammatically by stating the part of speech and explaining the inflection and syntactical relationships
   
   
2. 2: to examine in a minute way : analyze critically <having trouble parsing … explanations for dwindling market shares — R. S. Anson>
   

Below are Rudders exact words:

You mean the same way Loretta Lynch would said she would have the DoJ go after on anyone who said anyhting anti-muslim?

Loretta Lynch's exact words:

“Obviously this is a country that is based on free speech,” Lynch told the audience at the Muslim Advocates dinner in Arlington, VA. “But when that edges towards violence…we will take action.”

***Lynch's quote was taken from one of Shady's link.***

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Robert Reich made a cogent argument the other day; Jeffrey Lord's apologist responses dismissing the problem of Trump's tweet about Chuck Jones was just more sycophant clap-trap.

Jones was getting death threats after the exchange began with his criticism of Trump.

It was despicable that Trump would stoop to this sort of intimidation. Reich argued that Trump will have CIA, FBI, IRS and other federal agencies at his disposal.

So where are we with this? One would have to anticipate some path toward usurpation of power to do the things people here insinuate. A step in this direction would involve some crisis, perhaps leading to a declaration of martial law. That's just my guess.

But this sort of thing had happened before when Nixon was Prez. If you had been associated with a young coed with activist membership in SDS, and you looked toward a career in law-enforcement, you might have found it impossible to get an entry-level position at FBI.

Then there was Nixon's "Enemies List." Before Nixon, I lived across the street from a journalist whose career had begun in DC and took him back to DC from Illinois. He was targeted because he had criticized the Vietnam War.

We could all worry about our taxes, or social security checks and other things we depend on that reduce the risk of our circumstances.

If it amounted to locking up a journalist or something of that nature, I'd say bring it on. It might precipitate a massive wave of resistance.

What bothers me about the Chuck Jones affair so far is this. Not only was Jones targeted by the tweet resulting in threats, but it shows Trump for what he is.

He was never more interested in the Carrier "deal" for anything more than his self-promotion. He always exaggerates the numbers. In so doing, he gave false hope to the some 400+ employees, who -- assuming their jobs were safe for the time being -- went forward with holiday spending plans. It proves that Trump didn't really care about those employees at all. And that's just another symptom of his toxic personality.

 

[brycejones]

Nope, he asked for it, it was delivered and now he and you try to parse, move the goal posts and redefine, but what he asked for was delivered.

No goal post moving, no parsing. Rudder said she said a thing, she said no such thing. You're just being intellectually dishonest to even attempt to argue otherwise. You were wrong, you should own it and move on.

 

[WHAMPOM]

In answer to your question, no. Then no, yes, no and no. Wow, that was tough.

Do you forget what happened to dissenters during Lincoln's term of office?

 

[sandorski]

He can't, but if he could, he seems someone who would. That in itself is unsettling.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Don't worry mai72, this is the United States, we're protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, it's not as if we're some 3rd world shithole like Canada.

You are so ignorant of this country's history starting with the treatment of loyalists back in 1776.

 

[agent00f]

In answer to your question, no. Then no, yes, no and no. Wow, that was tough.

And people make fun of conservatives...

Sheesh.

One of the most stupid posts of all time. This is exactly how fake news start and hysteria over nothing. Good job being part of the problem.

Always hilarious when even his own followers openly admit he's a lying degenerate.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You are so ignorant of this country's history starting with the treatment of loyalists back in 1776.

The 1st Amendment wasn't ratified until December 15, 1791.

 

[Mai72]

Original Post is a serious exaggeration.

What Trump can do and does do with criticism is cause reactions. Boeing lightly criticized Trump's views on trade, Trump tweets about Air Force 1 and Boeing making too much money and Boeing's stocks go down. Carrier union president criticizes Trump's manipulation of the job numbers, Trump tweets about him and now he is getting death threats. This pattern will continue itself as words do matter, and why most presidents used restraint when speaking about all matters, to avoid situations like this. The POTUS is the most influential position in the world perhaps, but Trump loves his go at it alone Twitter method of communicating, and of targeting anyone who criticizes him, due to his very thin skin.

Exactly. The POTUS is the most powerful position given to any man. Trump is going to be able to negatively or even positively affect world events just by simply tweeting his thoughts. It's a very scary situation.

I live in South NJ. I'm only 45m from Atlantic City. When Trump was in AC he was constantly in the local news. He did a lot of good things in AC but he also did some very nasty and bad things. He has thin skin and has to always be right.

One incident that sticks out is when Trump was buying property so he could expand his casino. There was one lone holdout. An elderly old lady I believe. What does Trump do? He builds right around this lady. On top of that he starts bad-mouthing her in the press. It was an ugly scene.

 

[Mai72]

If OP was conservative instead of liberal he'd be one of those conservatives that votes Trump out of fear of Hillary confiscating his private property and awarding it to the state.

I'm not liberal or conservative. I'll vote both parties. When I do vote it is typically Democrat but I'm hardly a liberal. I'm more fiscally conservative but when it comes to social issues like gay rights I guess I'm liberal. TBH, I just don't care if 2 guys or 2 women want to have sex or get married.

I have much more to worry about.