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Murloc

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Interesting that many places allow guns, but people lose their shit over something like knives. Knives are arms too, and the arbitrary restrictions on them are retarded.
it's probably because by default weapons are banned, but pistols (the most effective equalizer available or whatever) are legal for personal self-defense.
In Italy, where the laws regarding weapons are not even clear and unequivocal, you can ask a permit to carry (issued only if you're like a jeweler or someone in danger, not gas station employees though, which is kinda stupid) either:
1. a pistol
2. a carabine
3. a cane with concealed blade
but any other melee weapon is banned except for non-single-hand actionated folding knives under a certain length (i.e. utility/swiss army knife).

pretty funny that the swordstick is contemplated.

Anyway I heard a knife is not easy to use and someone can block you and stab you with it. So they wouldn't promote it for self-defense.
 
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shortylickens

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Knives are a horrible weapon unless you have assloads of training. Cops dont get that training. SWAT doesnt get that training. The vast majority of soldiers never get it.

As a rule a knife is more dangerous to the user than the opponent.
 

adairusmc

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Knives are a horrible weapon unless you have assloads of training. Cops dont get that training. SWAT doesnt get that training. The vast majority of soldiers never get it.

As a rule a knife is more dangerous to the user than the opponent.

When I was in the military they taught us that only two things happen in knife fight - one person bleeds to death and the other person almost bleeds to death.
 

phucheneh

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When I was in the military they taught us that only two things happen in knife fight - one person bleeds to death and the other person almost bleeds to death.

That's why you don't get in a knife fight.

But if it becomes a choice between using my fists and a knife, I'm going to slash, stab, then GTFO. 'Violence of action' and whatnot. If I'm pushed to that point, I'm not gonna be squaring off for some kind of 'fair fight.'
 

shortylickens

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That's why you don't get in a knife fight.

But if it becomes a choice between using my fists and a knife, I'm going to slash, stab, then GTFO. 'Violence of action' and whatnot. If I'm pushed to that point, I'm not gonna be squaring off for some kind of 'fair fight.'

Nope. A knife fight is guaranteed death.
Better solution is a knife attack. Those are quicker, easier, and more successful. Also there are some basic techniques for fending off a knife attack from an untrained assailant.
 

phucheneh

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Nope. A knife fight is guaranteed death.
Better solution is a knife attack. Those are quicker, easier, and more successful. Also there are some basic techniques for fending off a knife attack from an untrained assailant.

I am unsure if you read or comprehended a single word of my post.

edit: and even on their own, your posts make very little sense, with your second statement usually contradicting your first.

'No one is trained with knives! But if you try and defend yourself with a knife, the other person will take it and kill you with it.'

:hmm:
 

alkemyst

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Nope. A knife fight is guaranteed death.
Better solution is a knife attack. Those are quicker, easier, and more successful. Also there are some basic techniques for fending off a knife attack from an untrained assailant.

I am not sure where you are going with this, but a knife fight is just guaranteeing both you bleed if you are both equipped and smart.

Dumb people, I'd rather have a knife vs a gun face to face. Gun at a distance, fuck it run away...if you were a real commodity they'd already have killed you or taken it 9 times out of 10. Life is not James Bond.

Even untrained, someone with a knife will probably end up cutting you unless they are full out retard.

That said, I have survived just with my hands a long time. I have been stabbed, cut, shot, pretty much overall fucked.

I woke up the next day just fine with not so much wear.

I only recently carry and not really even much at 42 years old. I can still hold my ground.
 

irishScott

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It's funny because people say the same thing about guns.

A gun is a much more stable weapon than a knife. Only a very small circular radius directly in front of it can be affected at any given time. Due to ergonomics, it's also relatively difficulty to turn a gun on a person compared to turning a knife on them. In addition guns are typically used outside of the confusion of hand-to-hand combat.

Granted we're talking typical 3-4.5" folding knives. If someone's got a 6" KABAR or other serious fighting knife that can actually lop off limbs if it hits right, and the other guy is unarmed and untrained, KABAR wins.
 
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irishScott

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I am not sure where you are going with this, but a knife fight is just guaranteeing both you bleed if you are both equipped and smart.

Dumb people, I'd rather have a knife vs a gun face to face. Gun at a distance, fuck it run away...if you were a real commodity they'd already have killed you or taken it 9 times out of 10. Life is not James Bond.

Even untrained, someone with a knife will probably end up cutting you unless they are full out retard.

That said, I have survived just with my hands a long time. I have been stabbed, cut, shot, pretty much overall fucked.

I woke up the next day just fine with not so much wear.

I only recently carry and not really even much at 42 years old. I can still hold my ground.

Lol you were shot, stabbed and just woke up the next day "just fine"? Bullshit. Were you shot with a BB gun and stabbed with a tooth pick?
 

alkemyst

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Lol you were shot, stabbed and just woke up the next day "just fine"? Bullshit. Were you shot with a BB gun and stabbed with a tooth pick?

Not all at the same time.

Actually though one time through my hand was a BB gun (hi powered pellet rifle).

A lot of it I don't really remember the exact details.
 

alkemyst

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He can self heal. It's the Alkemyst way.

No I just wear full body armor like yourself when I want to get a slurpee on the corner.

Hang tough bro...hang tough

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kage69

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Knife fighting is easy, the best technique involving just your feet moving at a high rate speed. Anyone can do it.


Within their range, knives are more lethal than firearms. They never jam, run out of ammo, misfire, are usually pretty accurate, and are way more concealable. The kind of wound channel you can open up with one is just incredible. Small surface area means tons of force per square inch, big equalizer. I've never met a smart gun nut who disparaged blades, and have educated two nonbelievers myself using an empty Sprite bottle and a few friendly stand offs. FBI says if you are within 30feet of a "determined assailant" armed with an edged weapon you will be cut before you can place an accurate shot on your attacker. Seems about right.

Had a teacher once that, when I asked if he was serious about something, replied "yep, like a knife fight in the dark." That chilling scenario sticks in my mind for some reason. Can you imagine? Sheeeyit.
 

irishScott

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Knife fighting is easy, the best technique involving just your feet moving at a high rate speed. Anyone can do it.


Within their range, knives are more lethal than firearms. They never jam, run out of ammo, misfire, are usually pretty accurate, and are way more concealable. The kind of wound channel you can open up with one is just incredible. Small surface area means tons of force per square inch, big equalizer. I've never met a smart gun nut who disparaged blades, and have educated two nonbelievers myself using an empty Sprite bottle and a few friendly stand offs. FBI says if you are within 30feet of a "determined assailant" armed with an edged weapon you will be cut before you can place an accurate shot on your attacker. Seems about right.

Had a teacher once that, when I asked if he was serious about something, replied "yep, like a knife fight in the dark." That chilling scenario sticks in my mind for some reason. Can you imagine? Sheeeyit.

Define "accurate shot". Will I have time to align the sights and nail him between the eyes? Probably not. Will I be able to put at least 3 bullets into his torso? Most likely.
 

phucheneh

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Wounds are also not about size. A decent handgun round inflicts a lot more trauma, and can go through bones and other tough stuff...you're confusing real life with movies. People don't fall over dead when stabbed. They go AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHDHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSDBNFIHSDBFGS JESUS CHRIST YOU STABBED ME ARRRRRGGHGHHHHSJSJDSKLNFSDPFPNWE

...or something like that. Not to mention that stabbing an opponent who is fighting back is probably not the easiest task. Hence the design of stuff like that Spyderco I posted above, which is specifically made for self-defense, and also specifically made not to stab. It's for ripping across someone's body without getting caught in clothing or other obstructions, while inflicting the wound most likely to make your attacker recoil in horror while you get away.
 

JulesMaximus

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Wounds are also not about size. A decent handgun round inflicts a lot more trauma, and can go through bones and other tough stuff...you're confusing real life with movies. People don't fall over dead when stabbed. They go AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHDHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSDBNFIHSDBFGS JESUS CHRIST YOU STABBED ME ARRRRRGGHGHHHHSJSJDSKLNFSDPFPNWE

...or something like that. Not to mention that stabbing an opponent who is fighting back is probably not the easiest task. Hence the design of stuff like that Spyderco I posted above, which is specifically made for self-defense, and also specifically made not to stab. It's for ripping across someone's body without getting caught in clothing or other obstructions, while inflicting the wound most likely to make your attacker recoil in horror while you get away.

Unless you're alkemyst, cause he's really the shit. He just laugh it off, go to bed and wake up the next morning, ready to hit the tanning salon, fuck everyone's mom, and squeeze three at your cherry m3.
 

natto fire

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Skimming over this thread, not sure what you dispshits are arguing about now, but I saw a chain of the same posters.

I carry my SOG Trident Tanto everywhere with me. Feels weird not to have it clipped in my pocket, but I have flown since getting it. My first ever Gerber knife was lifted by the TSA in this fashion. The knife became such a part of my routine, I forgot how "dangerous" it was when mixing back in with the sheeple, and it was traded to a TSA goon for the privilege of flying back to Ohio. Here's the kicker : Ohio sucked just as much as it always does, I would have still had a knife and better scenery had I stayed in Nevada.
 

MagickMan

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Only ignorant people.


Truth. My regular carry is a SS P229 DAK in .357SIG (hollow points and/or glasers) and in personal defense it's orders of magnitude more safe than walking around with a knife. Frankly, I carry a knife, a little 3" Emerson, and it's great for utility, but only a moron carries one for protection.
 

Scotteq

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Define "accurate shot". Will I have time to align the sights and nail him between the eyes? Probably not. Will I be able to put at least 3 bullets into his torso? Most likely.

At 30 feet, I'd say you have a chance to make - one - shot unless you had already drawn and were covering the target.

Mythbusters did an episode on this exact scene. Watch it sometime. :)
 

cmdrdredd

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At 30 feet, I'd say you have a chance to make - one - shot unless you had already drawn and were covering the target.

Mythbusters did an episode on this exact scene. Watch it sometime. :)

A shot at 30feet is not going to be clear self defense in many cases anyhow. Most defensive shots are within 10 feet. Maybe less.

With good training you can draw and make an accurate shot very quickly but with someone charging you, you probably will be too late.
 
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