OpEd: Conservatives Vow To Become 'Suicide Voters'

[Pabster]

Story here.

I agree 100% with the OP's summary. Conservatives will help Democrats elect either a woman or a black man POTUS, if McCain is nominated.

 

[Nebor]

It's too late for that. He's the nominee. So threats really don't matter anymore. And you'd pretty much be a fool to vote for HRC over McCain if you're a conservative. I'm hopeful that McCain can simply maintain the status quo.

 

[shiner]

If Hillary gets the Dem nomination, which it looks like she will, then the conservative Republicans will be more than energized and get out the vote against her. They may not like McCain, but they hate Hillary and will get out and vote for McCain.

It may be true that they would stay home if it were McCain v. Obama, but people are underestimating the hatred for Hillary that exists among conservative Republican voters.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's too late for that. He's the nominee. So threats really don't matter anymore. And you'd pretty much be a fool to vote for HRC over McCain if you're a conservative. I'm hopeful that McCain can simply maintain the status quo.

No, Nebor. Considering McCain and HRC are tied at the hip, sans a few policies, you're really getting the same in either candidate. So the reason to go with HRC in that scenario is to punish McCain and the fools who nominated him.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's too late for that. He's the nominee. So threats really don't matter anymore. And you'd pretty much be a fool to vote for HRC over McCain if you're a conservative. I'm hopeful that McCain can simply maintain the status quo.

No, Nebor. Considering McCain and HRC are tied at the hip, sans a few policies, you're really getting the same in either candidate. So the reason to go with HRC in that scenario is to punish McCain and the fools who nominated him.

Read Shinerburke's post. It's accurate. The feelings of hatred towards HRC are strong within me and many like me. I was warned once for saying exactly what I think of her, and what I hope happens to her. 😛

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's too late for that. He's the nominee. So threats really don't matter anymore. And you'd pretty much be a fool to vote for HRC over McCain if you're a conservative. I'm hopeful that McCain can simply maintain the status quo.

No, Nebor. Considering McCain and HRC are tied at the hip, sans a few policies, you're really getting the same in either candidate. So the reason to go with HRC in that scenario is to punish McCain and the fools who nominated him.

Republicans who think like you are who is ruining the party.

McCain is a conservative. Look at his voting record. Sure he is more moderate than other Republicans, but that is a good thing. The extremes of both parties are what is ushering this country straight down the toilet. We need someone in office who can work with both sides of the aisle. I see McCain as that person on the Republican side and Obama as that person on the Democrat side.

Hillary is too polarizing for the Dems and Huck/Romney have too much religious baggage for my tastes.

 

[Pabster]

No, shinerburke, I'm tired of being told to just live with the nominee because he can get independents and some from the other side. McCain is a liberal on most every critical issue of our time, save defense. He's for open borders, global warming taxes and regulations, and a host of other ideals espoused by Democrats, not Republicans.

You may think I'm alone, but rest assured, I'm not.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Pabster
No, shinerburke, I'm tired of being told to just live with the nominee because he can get independents and some from the other side. McCain is a liberal on most every critical issue of our time, save defense. He's for open borders, global warming taxes and regulations, and a host of other ideals espoused by Democrats, not Republicans.

You may think I'm alone, but rest assured, I'm not.

Haha! That's rich! You are complaining about "being told" who to vote for and it is exactly the far right dunderheads like Limbaugh and Hannity who are telling you who to vote for just because McCain doesn't fit their view of what a Republican should be. I've got news for you, they are holding an extreme view that does not fit well with what the Republican Party traditionally is.

 

[StageLeft]

It's all rubbish. As Nebor said, he's won, so stop whining about it (those who do) and next, nobody who wants somebody MORE conservative than mccain will vote for hillary or obama. Basically, they are forgotten in this election as they deserve to be and they will vote for him or not vote at all (not likely, since I'm sure they'd rather him than hillary). This threat of suicide voting is so desperate, just like what Ann Coulter said. It's SO BEAUTIFUL to see these people squirm and go crazy like this. I absolutely adore it. They have endorsed the last 8 years, which have been horrific for the course of this country and they revel in their stupidity.

You may think I'm alone, but rest assured, I'm not.

Nonetheless, if you skip your obama love and want to vote for a republican, you will. Voting for hillary would be acting like a child who asks for two cookies, is given only one, and in disgust throws it on the ground. It's illogical. McCain remains the only chance the republicans have of winning in 08, even against Hillary. The country is more tired of the Bush kind of crap we've had in recent times. McCain is the ONLY effective weapon against Obama, and possibly against Hillary (who is hated, I grant you that, I think she'd be a mistake as a nominee).

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Pabster
No, shinerburke, I'm tired of being told to just live with the nominee because he can get independents and some from the other side. McCain is a liberal on most every critical issue of our time, save defense. He's for open borders, global warming taxes and regulations, and a host of other ideals espoused by Democrats, not Republicans.

You may think I'm alone, but rest assured, I'm not.

You're not alone; Hannity and Rush have been saying the same shit for the past few weeks, trying to push the average Republicans more towards Romney. Espousing him as the next Reagan or some shit. I'm not buying it. Romney is a weasel who flip-flops, and frankly I just don't trust him. And then there is Huck who just makes the mistake of throwing god into every other sentence, no thank you. Even Mark Levin was doing the same on the radio last night; McCain winning big, but Levin starts talking "you wait and see" & "it's not over", then he puts on Romney's speech and praised it.

So you're not alone. You've got the same poiint as all the right wing heads on our radio everyday. And normally I agree with alot you have to say Pabster, but I am not going to be pushed by radio hosts pulling hit jobs into voting for someone I don't trust in the least (Romney).



So I voted for McCain yesterday. Fuck the talking heads, that votes for them.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Pabster
No, shinerburke, I'm tired of being told to just live with the nominee because he can get independents and some from the other side. McCain is a liberal on most every critical issue of our time, save defense. He's for open borders, global warming taxes and regulations, and a host of other ideals espoused by Democrats, not Republicans.

You may think I'm alone, but rest assured, I'm not.

Haha! That's rich! You are complaining about "being told" who to vote for and it is exactly the far right dunderheads like Limbaugh and Hannity who are telling you who to vote for just because McCain doesn't fit their view of what a Republican should be. I've got news for you, they are holding an extreme view that does not fit well with what the Republican Party traditionally is.

Hahaha, McCain is anything but traditional, man you're deluded.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
You're not alone; Hannity and Rush have been saying the same shit for the past few weeks, trying to push the average Republicans more towards Romney. Espousing him as the next Reagan or some shit. I'm not buying it. Romney is a weasel who flip-flops, and frankly I just don't trust him. And then there is Huck who just makes the mistake of throwing god into every other sentence, no thank you. Even Mark Levin was doing the same on the radio last night; McCain winning big, but Levin starts talking "you wait and see" & "it's not over", then he puts on Romney's speech and praised it.

Well, I really don't pay any attention to the talking heads. I've heard about Rush's distaste for McCain but it really has no bearing on mine. I've never cared for McCain. And I'll never cast a vote for him.

So you're not alone. You've got the same poiint as all the right wing heads on our radio everyday. And normally I agree with alot you have to say Pabster, but I am not going to be pushed by radio hosts pulling hit jobs into voting for someone I don't trust in the least (Romney).

I despise Romney as well. Though I do find him more palatable than McCain, if only barely.

So I voted for McCain yesterday. Fuck the talking heads, that votes for them.

I will be voting for Obama. Fuck the establishment. I'm not going to take McCain simply because "they" have decided he is their best chance at victory.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Pabster
No, shinerburke, I'm tired of being told to just live with the nominee because he can get independents and some from the other side. McCain is a liberal on most every critical issue of our time, save defense. He's for open borders, global warming taxes and regulations, and a host of other ideals espoused by Democrats, not Republicans.

You may think I'm alone, but rest assured, I'm not.

Haha! That's rich! You are complaining about "being told" who to vote for and it is exactly the far right dunderheads like Limbaugh and Hannity who are telling you who to vote for just because McCain doesn't fit their view of what a Republican should be. I've got news for you, they are holding an extreme view that does not fit well with what the Republican Party traditionally is.

Hahaha, McCain is anything but traditional, man you're deluded.

I didn't say he was. What I'm saying is that he is conservative, he just isn't conservative enough for the far righties. Which tells me he is exactly the right guy for the nomination.

The extreme right, made up mostly of borderline Christian Taliban, is less in touch with the tradition of the Republican party than a conservative with some moderate tendencies like McCain is.

 

[Lemon law]

Spin how you want, but I think the republican suicide voter analysis is correct but not for the reasons given.

I am guessing Limbaugh and friends want the dems to win the Presidency in 08, because they know GWB has the country so screwed up, and if the democrats win, even sound policy can't fix anything for at least eight years. With the first four years being especially bad. So let the democrats try and fail, and then the repubs can come back in 2012, and hope some improvements will buoy their new President.

Its basically what happened after Reagan left office, except they made the mistake of having a Republican GHB, who quite predictably paid the price for Reagan's past poison economic pills. And a Democratic Bill Clinton repeated all the benefits of four years fiscal sanity. Then all Clinton had to do to sustain it was to continue fiscal sanity.

So the prudent course is let the Dems have the mess the repubs made. And when the dems
quite predictably fail, the Repubs have a chance again in 2012. But if a Repub wins the Presidency in 2008, their guy will flop worse, and the GOP will have no future chance for the foreseeable future.

 

[jjzelinski]

Oh dear jesus is it my birthday? I can't believe fate has strung up the entire right wing in the wind to blow around like a bunch of aimless fools. That's what you get for so badly screwing up the country, shit, the WORLD, for the last 7 years.

In fact when you think of it, the ONLY way JOHN MCCAIN, a black man and a white woman would be the only three in contention for President of the United States of America is if the conservatives were to govern so badly that they repelled the vast majority of the voting population. So congratulations cons, you may now sleep in the bed you made 🙂 Enjoy the next 25 years of marginalization!

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Spin how you want, but I think the republican suicide voter analysis is correct but not for the reasons given.

I am guessing Limbaugh and friends want the dems to win the Presidency in 08, because they know GWB has the country so screwed up, and if the democrats win, even sound policy can't fix anything for at least eight years. With the first four years being especially bad. So let the democrats try and fail, and then the repubs can come back in 2012, and hope some improvements will buoy their new President.

Its basically what happened after Reagan left office, except they made the mistake of having a Republican GHB, who quite predictably paid the price for Reagan's past poison economic pills. And a Democratic Bill Clinton repeated all the benefits of four years fiscal sanity. Then all Clinton had to do to sustain it was to continue fiscal sanity.

So the prudent course is let the Dems have the mess the repubs made. And when the dems
quite predictably fail, the Repubs have a chance again in 2012. But if a Repub wins the Presidency in 2008, their guy will flop worse, and the GOP will have no future chance for the foreseeable future.

Btw lemon I totally agree with you, been expecting this response since the repugnicans lost the house and senate in '06. Thing is, the sheer egregiousness of the errors made since 2001 won't fade from memory soon enough for the pugs to rebound in 2012 because the entire world will be continuously be reminded of the failures in the form of a collapsing middle east, unstable global economy, and looming energy crisis. As China and Russia start to exploit their economic leverages, these consequences I've mentioned ill only be exacerbated; it's just a matter of how much. So, I reiterate to our retarded former-stewards; Enjoy the next 25 years of marginalization!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
If Hillary gets the Dem nomination, which it looks like she will, then the conservative Republicans will be more than energized and get out the vote against her. They may not like McCain, but they hate Hillary and will get out and vote for McCain.

It may be true that they would stay home if it were McCain v. Obama, but people are underestimating the hatred for Hillary that exists among conservative Republican voters.

Yes, sad but true - the only thing fueling today's conservatives is hate.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: shinerburke
If Hillary gets the Dem nomination, which it looks like she will, then the conservative Republicans will be more than energized and get out the vote against her. They may not like McCain, but they hate Hillary and will get out and vote for McCain.

It may be true that they would stay home if it were McCain v. Obama, but people are underestimating the hatred for Hillary that exists among conservative Republican voters.

Yes, sad but true - the only thing fueling today's conservatives is hate.

like today's conservatives are conservatives in any sense of the word.

 

[Lemon law]

To jjelinski,

As much as I would like to agree with you, I never underestimate the stupidity or long term memory of the American voter.

The GOP was supposed to be dead when they nominated Goldwater, Nixon should have killed them dead, and after eight excellent economic years of Clinton, the American stupid Sheeple were ready to embrace the one person who was most unlike Bill Clinton in terms of policy. And as you still see on these boards, there are still some idiots who think GWB is the best thing since sex and sliced bread.

After mortgaging our futures, the futures of our children and grandchildren, we still stand ready to mortgage the futures of our great grandchildren. The allure of a free lunch always sells and the prospect of paying past debts never sells. And the merry go round will only stop when other countries quit loaning us money.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm hopeful that McCain can simply maintain the status quo.

Yes, things are really shaping up splendidly, I pray every night for the country to maintain the status quo.

WTF are you even talking about man? What positive trends are hoping for a continuation of?

 

[nageov3t]

at some point, these so-called conservatives need to realize that they can't just abandon the center of their party if they want to have any say in how this country is governed.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: shinerburke
If Hillary gets the Dem nomination, which it looks like she will, then the conservative Republicans will be more than energized and get out the vote against her. They may not like McCain, but they hate Hillary and will get out and vote for McCain.

It may be true that they would stay home if it were McCain v. Obama, but people are underestimating the hatred for Hillary that exists among conservative Republican voters.

Yes, sad but true - the only thing fueling today's conservatives is hate.

You mean "hate" as in how you liberals "hate" Bush?



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To the OP, I agree to an extent. However, if "Maverick" picks a solid Conservative for a running mate, I will not sit on my hands. But if he picks another wishywashy "moderate" Republican then I will just not vote for a President this time around.
To some others in this thread: Yes, McCain is a "Republican" but that doesn't mean he holds the same Conservative views that the Republican base does. No, I'm not talking about the religious right - I'm talking BASE. McCain has done some things to piss us off. Immigration, tax-cuts, McCain-Feingold. Those are not traditional Conservative Republican stances that he took and he's now paying the price for that from the "base".


That all being said, I'd rather see McCain in the WH than anyone else currently in the race. (puke) But I still won't vote for him unless he picks an old school Conservative as a running mate.


PS - don't delude yourself libbies - your side has approx the same issues. There is a huge part of the Liberal base that does not like hillary and may just sit this one out because they can't/won't vote for her.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: loki8481
at some point, these so-called conservatives need to realize that they can't just abandon the center of their party if they want to have any say in how this country is governed.

And at some point us Conservatives have to stop letting the wishywashy "center" take over the mantle of "Conservatism" when they don't hold true to the ideals... 😉 ...especially after Bush...

 

[hellokeith]

I think you guys are underestimating the default position.. which is to just sit at home and not vote for anyone. I was already uneasy thinking I might vote for Romney, and now that he's pretty much out of it, I'm even more uneasy with McCain.

With no good choices, most people won't make a choice.. just stay at home and watch the results.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
With no good choices, most people won't make a choice.. just stay at home and watch the results.

Which will, undoubtedly, give the Democrats a victory.

And the GOP will deserve it.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Which will, undoubtedly, give the Democrats a victory.

And the GOP will deserve it.

I don't agree it's a shoe-in regarding your first point, but I agree 100% with your second point.