LOL. The only person that is screwed is you and your pansy liberal arts classes. Good luck finding a job.
Math is an EXTREMELY broad subject. Computer science is a very broad field of work. So is almost any other field of study. Even the definition of "high-level math" isn't exactly set.
If you guys are going to argue "my major is better than your major", it's not going to get anywhere. At least argue about specific professions. A web-site programmer is a very different profession than a 3D movie animator, yet both are in the computer science field.
Schools are also very different. Computer science degrees and their quality are different at every school, much like any major. And just because a person is capable of performing tasks that may fall outside of their major, does not mean they are equivalent to someone who specialized in that major. Every major firm I've worked for had both engineers and business-type people. Obviously there is a use for them, otherwise they wouldn't get hired.
Saying a MBA is redundant to get if you have your bachelors in business is ignorant. That's like saying a doctor getting his PHd is redundant if he has his undergraduate degree. An engineering degree and an MBA is also a very useful combination, as a business-minded engineer is a useful asset to any company.
And lets have a little insight into the individual. There are people who wouldn't succeed no matter what there major, and there are people who succeed without even a high-school diploma.
Isnt' all of this common-sense?
If you guys are going to argue "my major is better than your major", it's not going to get anywhere. At least argue about specific professions. A web-site programmer is a very different profession than a 3D movie animator, yet both are in the computer science field.
Schools are also very different. Computer science degrees and their quality are different at every school, much like any major. And just because a person is capable of performing tasks that may fall outside of their major, does not mean they are equivalent to someone who specialized in that major. Every major firm I've worked for had both engineers and business-type people. Obviously there is a use for them, otherwise they wouldn't get hired.
Saying a MBA is redundant to get if you have your bachelors in business is ignorant. That's like saying a doctor getting his PHd is redundant if he has his undergraduate degree. An engineering degree and an MBA is also a very useful combination, as a business-minded engineer is a useful asset to any company.
And lets have a little insight into the individual. There are people who wouldn't succeed no matter what there major, and there are people who succeed without even a high-school diploma.
Isnt' all of this common-sense?
Siddhartha
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Originally posted by: Maetryx
To summarize, engineers are the coolest and best people on earth.
:beer:
either would most of the cs majors I have seen. Speaking from only personal experience, when I went to school, all the "smarter" programmer types majored in EECS (elec. engineering & cs) and took very different courses from those in just CS (which was in the school of L&S).
EECS people took the same math as all the other engineers (I was an IE), but CS majors took "joke" math classes like intro to discrete math.
Why would a business major want to build a 3D engine? They would mostly likely come up with the idea for the game, get funding, hire and manage staff and the budget, and make sure the programmers that he hired put together something decent. It's like having a computer geek give a presentation to a board of directors, for most it probably just isnt one of their skills.
Originally posted by: yllus
Right, modelling those 3D environments onto a 2D screen is a snap. Hell, I'm going to go write a 3D engine RIGHT NOW.
Uhmm ... linear algebra typically isn't considered "high level math" ... high school stuff really.
clamum
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I know, I was replying to HappyCracker that said CS majors wouldn't last in a trading pit or high level corporate discussion. The point I was making was that the majors are different and require different skills. From your post it looks like we're on the same page
.Originally posted by: yllus
Right, modelling those 3D environments onto a 2D screen is a snap. Hell, I'm going to go write a 3D engine RIGHT NOW.
Since when is doing a bunch of matix algebra "high level" math?
CS is for people who can't handle engineering. MIS is for people who can't handle CS. Business is for people who like to make decisions but do not actually posess the skills to do anything. But go into business, because the people who actually do stuff are all in China and India now.
There, have I summed up all the inter-field name calling now? Personally I think you should do what you want to do, and tell anyone who tells you otherwise to cram it with walnuts.
There, have I summed up all the inter-field name calling now? Personally I think you should do what you want to do, and tell anyone who tells you otherwise to cram it with walnuts.
I have a business degree but I do programming as a hobby. Granted I dont have the knowledge like a CS graduate but I think given time and opportunity, I could program 3D video game.
If your good at something, then your good at it. Having an engineering degree doesnt automatically give you the coolness over business degree.
Whatever you do, your success usually measured by how much money do you have.
If your good at something, then your good at it. Having an engineering degree doesnt automatically give you the coolness over business degree.
Whatever you do, your success usually measured by how much money do you have.
Replying to those who feel that CS majors are socially inept:
Not all CS majors spend their careers hacking out code in a cubicle farm. The top quality people generally consult, start their own business, etc.. The last technical meeting you attended might be directed by a guy who pushes the product, and implements it as well.
Not all CS majors spend their careers hacking out code in a cubicle farm. The top quality people generally consult, start their own business, etc.. The last technical meeting you attended might be directed by a guy who pushes the product, and implements it as well.
i was in computer engineering till i transferred over to a business degree (finances to be exact) because there are very few jobs out there for CE. I know a guy that did 5 years of computer engineering and graduated and now works on the border makin 12 bucks an hour
I have a BSc in Math and took a few CS classes at university.
From that experience I would say the CS majors and math majors have different idea as to what constitutes 'high-level' math.
From that experience I would say the CS majors and math majors have different idea as to what constitutes 'high-level' math.
For the last time CS does not involve high level math.
linear algebra and calculus are BASIC math.
linear algebra and calculus are BASIC math.
Analysis comes to mind. Number theory and mathmatical physics as well.
Anerican Gigilo - that is a sophmore level college class. That's like saying learning Pascal is a high level CS class. Its a basic fundamental. Just like calculus and simple linear/matrix algebra are. They are foundations for "high level math"
Oh well, back on topic.
Anerican Gigilo - that is a sophmore level college class. That's like saying learning Pascal is a high level CS class. Its a basic fundamental. Just like calculus and simple linear/matrix algebra are. They are foundations for "high level math"
Oh well, back on topic.
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