for those of us who do speech recognition and signal processing (ie, folks like me) we need both english skills and higher level math. 
CS will go farther than any dumb ass MIS major will. Geez, we called those kids, 'sell outs' I took the networking class for MIS kids and dropped it because it was so worthless. Being a business major is a joke
Most CS major's wouldn't last two seconds in a trading pit or in high level corporate discussions. Business major's are NOT a joke. Each major has it's own place.
of course each major has it's own place. but i dunno about the people in the majors. do you think most business majors would last two seconds in a trading pit or in high level corporate discussions? i'm not entirely convinced that is true... i'm sure there are some that can, and those are the ones that get jobs and succeed. but my understanding is that the percentage of business majors that actually get business jobs is not exactly large...
And that is something I am concerned about. I don't want business to become one of those major's like psychology or art history that people study when they don't know what they want to do and just want to graduate.
if your school is anything like mine, it's a little too late for that
i dunno, maybe the trend has not hit your school yet.Umm, where I'm from all engineering majors take calc 3. If thats not high level math I don't know what is.
My dad majored in electrical engineering and chemical engineering. Pushed me my whole life to be an engineer.
Fvck that, I'm joining the army, only 6 more credit hours until I'm a airborne/ranger/combat medic! w00t!
Hahhaaha, I think an engineer would overall, do better at the high level business meeting.
I've seen some engineers with HORRIBLE presentaiton skills but I have also seen some business majors who can't even speak english that well, let alone present.
But the key might come in knowledge. If the meeting was about declining sales of a particular hard drive brand, I think who ever has read more literature about hard drives (marketing and manufacturing) would perform the best.
So I think an engineer would have an EASIER time understanding the technical information, IN ADDITION to the economic information.
But i don't think I can say the same for the business major. He or she might have a harder time trying to understand the technical aspects of hard drives.
I've seen some engineers with HORRIBLE presentaiton skills but I have also seen some business majors who can't even speak english that well, let alone present.
But the key might come in knowledge. If the meeting was about declining sales of a particular hard drive brand, I think who ever has read more literature about hard drives (marketing and manufacturing) would perform the best.
So I think an engineer would have an EASIER time understanding the technical information, IN ADDITION to the economic information.
But i don't think I can say the same for the business major. He or she might have a harder time trying to understand the technical aspects of hard drives.
um.... they both completed high school. bill gates dropped out of harvard, and mark cuban graduated from indiana university... with a bachelor's degree in business.
Originally posted by: gopunk
in his dreams
business will make you more money, but frankly those that make it big in business generally didn't need a bachelor's in business if they even got one.
Proof?
how many CEOs & high ranking executives of Fortune 500 companies don't have MBAs?
Originally posted by: gotsmack
Originally posted by: gopunk
in his dreams
business will make you more money, but frankly those that make it big in business generally didn't need a bachelor's in business if they even got one.
Proof?
how many CEOs & high ranking executives of Fortune 500 companies don't have MBAs?
MBA != bachelor's, at least for the purposes of our conversation.
every established businessman / business school professor tells me the exact same thing: if you're going to get an MBA, it's redundant to major in business.
Originally posted by: gotsmack
Originally posted by: gopunk
in his dreams
business will make you more money, but frankly those that make it big in business generally didn't need a bachelor's in business if they even got one.
Proof?
how many CEOs & high ranking executives of Fortune 500 companies don't have MBAs?
um, in case you didn't know, an MBA is a MASTERS in business admnistration. a bachelor's in business won't get you sh!t. my aunt's cousin is vice president at JP morgan chase and she actually got a bachelor's in chem. e. she later came back and got her MBA.
It depends on the direction in CS that you choose. I'm sure it's possible to get a CS degree at some colleges with only rudimentary math skills but in general CS is very much a mathematical field. You can't get very far in your coursework without a firm grasp of topology, number theory and discrete mathematics. If you do any advanced work in computer graphics or numerical methods, you'll also need calculus and linear algebra.
I have degrees in physics and CS and an accidental degree in math. IMO, both physics and CS require a background in math. It's just that the type of math required differs. Early-on, physics places alot of emphasis on algebra, differential calculus and special functions. You probably won't do any math in CS until your sophomore or even junior years but when you do, it'll be more along the lines of discrete math and number theory (anybody who has taken a course in algorithms will agree). Once you move on to graduate-level courses, you start to see more overlap. Advanced quantum mechanics delves into topology. Graduate-level CS courses take you deeper into number theory (ever take a course on cryptography?) and differential calculus rears its head.
It all depends on course selection and the direction you want to take.
Man what a bunch of nerds here.
<--BA in English, learned programming in night school and working in software development
<--BA in English, learned programming in night school and working in software development
At a lot of schools, CS still scores you a BA and in many schools you can opt between a BA and a BS degree in CS.
So you do the math. I have often joked that programming is as much an art as it is a science.
As for "higher level math," I had Calc II, Linear Algebra, Stat and Discrete Math. Hardly "higher level" by any stretch of the imagination.
So you do the math. I have often joked that programming is as much an art as it is a science.
As for "higher level math," I had Calc II, Linear Algebra, Stat and Discrete Math. Hardly "higher level" by any stretch of the imagination.
Computer science is just applied descrete mathematics. Software Engineering, however, is very different . . .
-Chu
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: gotsmack
Originally posted by: gopunk
in his dreams
business will make you more money, but frankly those that make it big in business generally didn't need a bachelor's in business if they even got one.
Proof?
how many CEOs & high ranking executives of Fortune 500 companies don't have MBAs?
MBA != bachelor's, at least for the purposes of our conversation.
every established businessman / business school professor tells me the exact same thing: if you're going to get an MBA, it's redundant to major in business.
sorry, it was late when I posted and I didn't read the bachelors part.
I wouldn't say that it is redundant to major in business and then go for the MBA. When you go for the MBA, they teach you a lot of stuff that you didn't learn as an undergrad. An undergrad business degree also helps prepare you for the concepts that are taught for the MBA.
So what are you gonna do with CompSci when you get out, esp since lots of work is gettin farmed out to India and China.......
Ah yes, I keep forgetting that when you graduate with an engineering degree you are also issued a lifetime supply of indignance and snobbery to be directed at the "little people" who aren't engineers.
CS requires math...just not as much as engineering. I finished up with a math minor and major in CS and blew through the latter years of CS. I looked over the EE and CE tracks tho and it was pretty much a major in mathematics required to even take the classes...so I didn't go near that. I learned to hate math as soon as I learned that 90% of the math dept didn't speak english very well for course evals.
MIS is seriously a joke in some schools. Actually, I'm gonna go so far as to say MIS is a joke in a good majority of schools. Honestly, it's about half the coursework of any other business major because they have to take "computer" courses that a trained chimpanzee could ace. I've proctored at rallies where the IS majors were up in arms because the computer track at the business school required they needed at least 2 courses in a language instead of just 1. Keep in mind, MS Excel and HTML were acceptable "languages". The computer labs would be stuffed with people having trouble managing things like ftp and cramming. I've literally seens students walk down halls muttering over and over the steps on using WS_FTP.
MIS is seriously a joke in some schools. Actually, I'm gonna go so far as to say MIS is a joke in a good majority of schools. Honestly, it's about half the coursework of any other business major because they have to take "computer" courses that a trained chimpanzee could ace. I've proctored at rallies where the IS majors were up in arms because the computer track at the business school required they needed at least 2 courses in a language instead of just 1. Keep in mind, MS Excel and HTML were acceptable "languages". The computer labs would be stuffed with people having trouble managing things like ftp and cramming. I've literally seens students walk down halls muttering over and over the steps on using WS_FTP.
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