Only 3.4 Million Honeycomb Tablets Sold?

[Bateluer]

Until they have a shipping product, it's vaporware.

You can get the developer release right now, and I believe W8 tablets have been demo'd at trade shows. W8 isn't vaporware, it will come to market. Vaporware refers to products that never make it to market.

 

[Deeko]

You can put the dev preview of Win8 on a tablet right now if you want. Come on...you aren't really calling the next major iteration of Windows vaporware, are you? That seems a little silly. You can argue that you don't think it will have as long a battery life as an iPad, or opine on how popular you think it will become, but obviously it will exist in some fashion, come on...

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

You can get the developer release right now, and I believe W8 tablets have been demo'd at trade shows. W8 isn't vaporware, it will come to market. Vaporware refers to products that never make it to market.

You can put the dev preview of Win8 on a tablet right now if you want. Come on...you aren't really calling the next major iteration of Windows vaporware, are you? That seems a little silly. You can argue that you don't think it will have as long a battery life as an iPad, or opine on how popular you think it will become, but obviously it will exist in some fashion, come on...

I would argue that it's till a year off and yes we do have a developer preview, but in the end. You're comparing a device that isn't anywhere near final to a device that is already on its 2nd iteration and will be on its 3rd when W8 "may" come out.

 

[vshah]

Yes, they are, but what will end up on tablets won't be a full blown distro of W8, or compatible with current Windows programs, and that's what people are expecting/thinking when they hear about Windows on a tablet.

but the same reason for that incompatibility (windows for tablets will be compiled for/running on ARM instruction set) means that battery life should be higher than what most people think of when they hear "windows tablet"

 

[WelshBloke]

LOL, you're benching vaporware... (vaporware hardware and software)

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Well given that he's countering a statement that you've apparently pulled out of your arse that seems fair enough.

 

[HeXen]

Until they have a shipping product, it's vaporware.

way to backpedal :thumbsup:.
just man up, admit you were ignorant about W8. nothing wrong with it, just don't spread FUD and research first. are ya too good to say "oh, i didnt realise that. i'll look up more about it..thaks"????

 

[Pliablemoose]

Guess I haven't kept up with W8, just re read an article I skimmed earlier, my bad.

It'll be the first version of Windows I won't upgrade to since Windows 286 🙁

 

[runawayprisoner]

but the same reason for that incompatibility (windows for tablets will be compiled for/running on ARM instruction set) means that battery life should be higher than what most people think of when they hear "windows tablet"

Yes, but they will also disregard it completely when they know that they had to trade off access to every single one of their familiar x86 applications in exchange for that higher battery life figure.

Or battery life would just suck the same as it does right now if x86 is used, so there is no improvement at all... except in hardware.

 

[mosco]

Kindle Fire sales will be insane, it will be the best selling Android based tablet

The funny thing is, even when the kindle fire comes out, its not going to provide a huge increase on the google stats page, because it won't have the android market on it.

 

[vshah]

Guess I haven't kept up with W8, just re read an article I skimmed earlier, my bad.

It'll be the first version of Windows I won't upgrade to since Windows 286 🙁

I'm waiting to see what improvements they make to the core windows desktop experience as well. I might not be the earliest of adopters. The multi tasking implementation looks awesome though

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[Red Storm]

Yes, but they will also disregard it completely when they know that they had to trade off access to every single one of their familiar x86 applications in exchange for that higher battery life figure.

Or battery life would just suck the same as it does right now if x86 is used, so there is no improvement at all... except in hardware.

Yep. A Windows tablet only interests me if I can run already existing X86 applications. From what I've seen, these tablets will have poor battery life and are more bulky, so it looks like I'll be waiting a few more years at least.

 

[vi edit]

Yep. A Windows tablet only interests me if I can run already existing X86 applications. From what I've seen, these tablets will have poor battery life and are more bulky, so it looks like I'll be waiting a few more years at least.

I think they'll go the way of the Zune and Win7 phones. The Xbox is about the only hardware Microsoft has been able to pull off well.

 

[quest55720]

Yep. A Windows tablet only interests me if I can run already existing X86 applications. From what I've seen, these tablets will have poor battery life and are more bulky, so it looks like I'll be waiting a few more years at least.

Lets not forget by the time W8 launches next fall there will be a new generation of Zacate out there for launch on a new node process. The MSI wind I link uses the 5.9 TDP Zacate they should be able to take that under 3 next time around on 32/28 NM. Also W8 has not even been tuned yet for performance or battery life. So battery life should be much better for W8 tablets that launch next fall.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Lets not forget by the time W8 launches next fall there will be a new generation of Zacate out there for launch on a new node process. The MSI wind I link uses the 5.9 TDP Zacate they should be able to take that under 3 next time around on 32/28 NM. Also W8 has not even been tuned yet for performance or battery life. So battery life should be much better for W8 tablets that launch next fall.

Compare that to less than 1W on most ARM SoCs now.

Also TDP is irrelevant because it's only the nominal thermal profile. It's not a representative of how much power the whole system (CPU + chipset) draws. CPU can draw 10W and emit 7W of thermal, and that's still normal.

 

[badb0y]

Android will pick up, I wouldn't worry about it too much

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Compare that to less than 1W on most ARM SoCs now.

Also TDP is irrelevant because it's only the nominal thermal profile. It's not a representative of how much power the whole system (CPU + chipset) draws. CPU can draw 10W and emit 7W of thermal, and that's still normal.

The higher power usage of Zacate doesn't seem to bad when you consider how much faster it is than any ARM SoC on the market. There is always the ULV Ivy Bridge parts as well that will be considerably faster than Zacate and so far ahead of anything ARM offers there is no real point in even comparing their performance.

 

[HeXen]

Yep. A Windows tablet only interests me if I can run already existing X86 applications. From what I've seen, these tablets will have poor battery life and are more bulky, so it looks like I'll be waiting a few more years at least.

i suspect there will be some x86 tablets out over the next couple of years. That or if developers are able to figure out rewriting their x86 applications😵
Who knows but i think it may push Android aside or perhaps just push its use on down to cheaper tablets?

 

[BladeVenom]

Microsoft has been trying to sell tablets since after XP came out. I doubt they are going to succeed now. Like someone else said, this will likely go the way of the Zune and Win7 phones.

 

[Bateluer]

Microsoft has been trying to sell tablets since after XP came out. I doubt they are going to succeed now. Like someone else said, this will likely go the way of the Zune and Win7 phones.

The technology of today is more conducive to making a lightweight, long battery life tablets than they were in 2001 when XP Tablet Edition first came out. 😛

I don't see W8 tabs matching iPad level sales, but they'll be a solid product, and they'll support ARM. I'm not sure if MS will be locking down the hardware specs for a W8 tablet though, the way they do with WP7 handsets. If they do, hopefully, they choose something powerful.

 

[Pliablemoose]

The technology of today is more conducive to making a lightweight, long battery life tablets than they were in 2001 when XP Tablet Edition first came out. 😛

I don't see W8 tabs matching iPad level sales, but they'll be a solid product, and they'll support ARM. I'm not sure if MS will be locking down the hardware specs for a W8 tablet though, the way they do with WP7 handsets. If they do, hopefully, they choose something powerful.

Can't remember if it was Intel or MS that limited hardware specs for netbooks, IMHO, those restrictions to protect notebooks crippled netbooks in short order...

And yeah, tablets were a pet project of Gates for decades, the technology now exists to make these devices, it must have been frustrating to be relatively powerful back then and not be able to produce what you dreamed about...

The thing is, I think we'll see a hybrid of tablets and notebooks as the next big thing. I'm thinking MBA/UltraBooks with a flip touchscreen.

 

[BladeVenom]

Can't remember if it was Intel or Apple that limited hardware specs for netbooks, IMHO, those restrictions to protect notebooks crippled netbooks in short order...

Can't blame Apple for that one. They wanted nothing to do with mini notebooks for under $300 when they were coming out with mini notebooks for $1,799 (Macbook Air).

You have to blame Wintel for that. Intel kept Nvidia out of the market, and MS made things worse by restricting the hardware with Windows Starter edition.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Whoops, meant Microsoft... not Apple

 

[Bateluer]

Can't remember if it was Intel or MS that limited hardware specs for netbooks, IMHO, those restrictions to protect notebooks crippled netbooks in short order...

Microsoft did that. The Atom powered netbooks weren't powerful enough to run Vista, but they ran XP alright. At a time when MS was trying to phase out XP and push people to Vista, they imposed the restrictions to keep XP at the extreme low end.