Originally posted by: Ferocious
See photo at bottom.
bleh....it seems like he's acting like a crybaby.
What do you think?
Originally posted by: Zebo
Interesting, don't know what to say, other than they have contractual obligations these that joined the military for a "jobs" program of sorts are now complaining when called on. I do feel for them though. This is not a defensive war and was sold on an overadvertised threat, once your in I think we must complete mission though.
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Tabb -
You really are clueless about Zebo aren't you ?
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Tabb -
You really are clueless about Zebo aren't you ?
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Zebo
Interesting, don't know what to say, other than they have contractual obligations these that joined the military for a "jobs" program of sorts are now complaining when called on. I do feel for them though. This is not a defensive war and was sold on an overadvertised threat, once your in I think we must complete mission though.
Whoa a actuall non-extreme leftie comment! I am impressed! Anyway, they can suck it up. Your not going to college for free buddy.
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
Actually, the military is the ONLY social program the republicans seem to TRULY want to pay for.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Tabb -
You really are clueless about Zebo aren't you ?
Ya I'm pretty conservative socially, Believe in things like honor, disapline, duty etc but liberal economically...Like we have a duty to protect and help the weak etc. Makes me very unpopular with the debased selfish napster loving young replublicans running around here since they only look out for number one. Oh well it's not thier fault daddy did'nt love them.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
Actually, the military is the ONLY social program the republicans seem to TRULY want to pay for.
You forget about corporate welfare...Billions for airlines..Billions in tax breaks..Industrial farms etc
Republicans are the biggest welfare whores of all for thier wares. Then bitch about the paltry 113 billion (less than 5%) spent on families.
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
You need to find that quote. You posted it, you have to prove it.
As to your question, here's my answer. The goverment should be held accountable for what they promised when a guy enlists or accepts his commission. Medical, dental, GI Bill whatever. I've been on active duty for 19+ years and although base pay has consistently gone up, every other pay and benefit has gone through multiple iterations. Champus, Humana, Tricare have all been used for family medical, each withit's own set of problems and limitations. GI Bill, VEAP, Montgomery GI Bill have all been used for the GI Bill, each of which has had a decreasing benefit (didn't know that did you). Redux retirement plan which put the the retirement % at 40% after 20 years vice 50% and the list goes on. Lots of things that were promised when I enlisted have gone away or been reduced, most of which go unnoticed by the public. That's what got me so fired up yesterday. This has been going on for years and nobody cared but suddenly someone sees an opportunity to take a rip at Bush and they all of a sudden have some great concern for the .mil and their families. Hypocrites.
Now having said all that let me clarify something. I'm not whining about it, I'm answering a question. I volunteered, I reenlisted voluntarily, my wife knew what she was getting into when we got married, etc. I volunteered for it and I don't complain abut it too much. But for those of you who are suddenly feigning outrage at the treatment of the .mil because it is politically expedient for you to do so, save it. You're fooling no one.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
Actually, the military is the ONLY social program the republicans seem to TRULY want to pay for.
Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think he should lose his G.I. Bill
Speaking of which.
My father remembers Bush Senior stating that the honor of fighting for our country was enough and that there really shouldn't be a G. I. Bill. No, I don't have a link but I'm sure it is somewhere. And no, I am not looking it up for you. I trust my father did not mistake his ears. My father, being a crusty old veteran, was not amused, and he's been pissed off at that comment ever since. Especially since Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. What about all the poor blokes who hope that in exchange for their bravery and service, they might get the chance to make something more of themselves?
So, who here thinks the honor of fighting for the US is reward enough? That the GI Bill shouldn't be necessary?
And don't bother calling me a leftie just because I dare to question things.
Actually, the military is the ONLY social program the republicans seem to TRULY want to pay for.
Social program? since when did the constitution mandate social programs? Sorry but your characterization is way off base. The military is mandated by our constitution. Remember the part about providing for the common defense?
The most insightful and truthful commentary yet offered regarding this topic. . . .Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
..Hypocrites.
Now having said all that let me clarify something. I'm not whining about it, I'm answering a question. I volunteered, I reenlisted voluntarily, my wife knew what she was getting into when we got married, etc. I volunteered for it and I don't complain abut it too much. But for those of you who are suddenly feigning outrage at the treatment of the .mil because it is politically expedient for you to do so, save it. You're fooling no one.
The quote is the reason my dad has not been a supporter of Bush I or II, and it's a grudge he's held for oh, nearly 20 years, I think? Since I didn't follow politics when I was a kid, I can only go by the impact it had on him (and hence my opinions growing up.). I wouldn't know where to look for it... all I know is that my dad has never forgotten it, and that's saying something to me, even if it doesn't mean anything to you. Bottom line: My dad is a veteran and a conservative man who served his time in Korea and he's never been a Bush fan. And even though when I was younger I rebelled against my father (I even married a Republican! ), in my old age I am starting to see that the old man is actually very wise.
Anyway, I don't think I qualify for 'suddenly feigning outrage'.
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
The quote is the reason my dad has not been a supporter of Bush I or II, and it's a grudge he's held for oh, nearly 20 years, I think? Since I didn't follow politics when I was a kid, I can only go by the impact it had on him (and hence my opinions growing up.). I wouldn't know where to look for it... all I know is that my dad has never forgotten it, and that's saying something to me, even if it doesn't mean anything to you. Bottom line: My dad is a veteran and a conservative man who served his time in Korea and he's never been a Bush fan. And even though when I was younger I rebelled against my father (I even married a Republican! ), in my old age I am starting to see that the old man is actually very wise.
Anyway, I don't think I qualify for 'suddenly feigning outrage'.
Bush used the GI Bill when he attended Yale so I would be very surprised if he opposed it. Unless he wanted to replace it with something else. Anyway I've searched and can't find it.
Originally posted by: burnedout
The most insightful and truthful commentary yet offered regarding this topic. . . .Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
..Hypocrites.
Now having said all that let me clarify something. I'm not whining about it, I'm answering a question. I volunteered, I reenlisted voluntarily, my wife knew what she was getting into when we got married, etc. I volunteered for it and I don't complain abut it too much. But for those of you who are suddenly feigning outrage at the treatment of the .mil because it is politically expedient for you to do so, save it. You're fooling no one.
:beer:
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: burnedout
The most insightful and truthful commentary yet offered regarding this topic. . . .Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
..Hypocrites.
Now having said all that let me clarify something. I'm not whining about it, I'm answering a question. I volunteered, I reenlisted voluntarily, my wife knew what she was getting into when we got married, etc. I volunteered for it and I don't complain abut it too much. But for those of you who are suddenly feigning outrage at the treatment of the .mil because it is politically expedient for you to do so, save it. You're fooling no one.
:beer:
Really.. It sounds like total partisan BS to me. Plenty of outrage at that site. Must be politically expediant to have your son die over there just to prove a point huh.Yep poor missguided parents holding thier sons up as political pawns, how dare they feign outrage.
How dare a liberal even comment on the .mil situation. In fact why should liberals care for the state of anyone that not a liberal. We sure as hell don't.
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: burnedout
The most insightful and truthful commentary yet offered regarding this topic. . . .Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
..Hypocrites.
Now having said all that let me clarify something. I'm not whining about it, I'm answering a question. I volunteered, I reenlisted voluntarily, my wife knew what she was getting into when we got married, etc. I volunteered for it and I don't complain abut it too much. But for those of you who are suddenly feigning outrage at the treatment of the .mil because it is politically expedient for you to do so, save it. You're fooling no one.
:beer:
Really.. It sounds like total partisan BS to me. Plenty of outrage at that site. Must be politically expediant to have your son die over there just to prove a point huh.Yep poor missguided parents holding thier sons up as political pawns, how dare they feign outrage.
How dare a liberal even comment on the .mil situation. In fact why should liberals care for the state of anyone that not a liberal. We sure as hell don't.
I wasn't referring to that site, I was referrring to the people on this board (and other places) that are suddenly outraged at the treatment of the .mil and their families. They've been noticeably quiet for years and many were probably complaining about how large the defense budget was but suddenly they're concerned about the welfare of the .mil and their families because it gives them a reason to rip on Bush.